2024-02-01 13:06:08 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !startmeeting Fedora DEI Team - 2024-02-01
2024-02-01 13:06:08 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-02-01 13:06:08 UTC
2024-02-01 13:06:08 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Fedora DEI Team - 2024-02-01'
2024-02-01 13:06:16 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !meetingname diversity
2024-02-01 13:06:23 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !topic Intros, welcomes, hellos
2024-02-01 13:06:36 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !hello
2024-02-01 13:06:38 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jona Azizaj (jonatoni) - she / her / hers
2024-02-01 13:06:48 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> hi Robert Wright (he/him) 👋
2024-02-01 13:06:48 <@rwright:fedora.im> !hello
2024-02-01 13:06:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robert Wright (rwright) - he / him / his
2024-02-01 13:06:55 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> !hello
2024-02-01 13:06:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Marie Nordin (riecatnor) - she / her / hers
2024-02-01 13:07:04 <@ami117:matrix.org> !hello
2024-02-01 13:07:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Amita Sharma (amsharma)
2024-02-01 13:07:24 <@ekidney:matrix.org> !hello 
2024-02-01 13:07:26 <@zodbot:fedora.im> emma kidney (ekidney) - she / her / hers
2024-02-01 13:08:00 <@ami117:matrix.org> smelling so good :)
2024-02-01 13:08:35 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !info Present: jonatoni, rwright, riecatnor, amsharma, ekidney, Sarah Thornton (she/her) 
2024-02-01 13:08:45 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !topic Team announcements & news 
2024-02-01 13:08:53 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> Anyone have anything to share? 
2024-02-01 13:09:46 <@rwright:fedora.im> Fosdem is this weekend! 
2024-02-01 13:09:54 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> woohoo 
2024-02-01 13:10:21 <@ekidney:matrix.org> Can’t wait :) 
2024-02-01 13:10:34 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> #info FOSDEM 2024 will be held on 3-4 February 2024 (this weekend) 
2024-02-01 13:10:48 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> Hope it’s a great time! I’ll miss yall :) 
2024-02-01 13:10:52 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !info FOSDEM 2024 will be held on 3-4 February 2024 (this weekend) 
2024-02-01 13:11:10 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> first time chairing a meeting on Matrix 😅
2024-02-01 13:11:29 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2024
2024-02-01 13:11:50 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> We will miss you riecatnor 
2024-02-01 13:12:09 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> and Robert Wright (he/him) Emma Kidney we will meet soon 😄 
2024-02-01 13:12:30 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !info Fedora Ops Architect Weekly
2024-02-01 13:12:41 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-ops-architect-weekly-3/
2024-02-01 13:12:45 <@ami117:matrix.org> no mention of me Jona :(
2024-02-01 13:12:56 <@ami117:matrix.org> that's not nice
2024-02-01 13:13:07 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> ah sorry Amita 
2024-02-01 13:13:11 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> ☹️
2024-02-01 13:13:22 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> Of course we will miss you ❤️
2024-02-01 13:13:29 <@ami117:matrix.org> hehe, just kidding
2024-02-01 13:13:39 <@ami117:matrix.org> good luck for FOSDEM
2024-02-01 13:13:41 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> I'm just too focused to not mess up the commands for the meeting 😅
2024-02-01 13:13:43 <@ami117:matrix.org> :)
2024-02-01 13:13:57 <@ami117:matrix.org> I am sure Fedora booth will be busiest one this year as well
2024-02-01 13:14:04 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> Anything else to add here? 🙂
2024-02-01 13:14:16 <@rwright:fedora.im> Do we want to talk about the DEI ticket that was raised in discussion this week?
2024-02-01 13:14:18 <@ami117:matrix.org> take it easy, you got this gal :)
2024-02-01 13:14:44 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> yes - we will do it in a few minutes 
2024-02-01 13:14:58 <@rwright:fedora.im> OK awesome then I’ll wait. :)
2024-02-01 13:15:15 <@rwright:fedora.im> And yes, I get very nervous about using the matrix bot as well so no worries you got this. 
2024-02-01 13:15:43 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !topic DEI Advisor updates to the team
2024-02-01 13:15:53 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !info Last call for the Council hackfest topics and feedback
2024-02-01 13:16:02 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !link https://gitlab.com/fedora/dei/home/-/issues/32
2024-02-01 13:16:40 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> Please add your comments in the ticket - the hackfest will happen next week 
2024-02-01 13:16:54 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> Robert Wright (he/him) will be there too 🙂
2024-02-01 13:17:13 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !topic Ticket discussions 
2024-02-01 13:17:35 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !link https://gitlab.com/fedora/dei/home/-/milestones/4
2024-02-01 13:18:19 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> Robert Wright (he/him) do you want to add something about the hackfest? Sorry just noticed you were typing
2024-02-01 13:18:36 <@rwright:fedora.im> Nope! Sorry. I’m on my phone and hitting keys while walking in the airport
2024-02-01 13:18:54 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> No worries 😅 and safe travels 😄 
2024-02-01 13:19:10 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !topic Flock location and DEI policy  
2024-02-01 13:19:19 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/flock-location-and-dei-policy/102686
2024-02-01 13:19:35 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> There is not a GitLab ticket yet for this 
2024-02-01 13:20:15 <@ekidney:matrix.org> It’s an interesting discussion 
2024-02-01 13:20:18 <@rwright:fedora.im> I shoved my foot in my mouth in this discussion post accidentally. Haha
2024-02-01 13:20:58 <@sarah-thornton:matrix.org> An important topic tho
2024-02-01 13:21:06 <@rwright:fedora.im> I actually agree with the posters thoughts though that we start with some thing, and then just keep iterating on it rather than waiting to get something finished and perfect. 
2024-02-01 13:21:17 <@rwright:fedora.im> I just don’t know what our definition of a minimal viable policy is on this. 
2024-02-01 13:21:41 <@ekidney:matrix.org> Is it almost like a checklist kinda thing? 
2024-02-01 13:21:42 <@sarah-thornton:matrix.org> unfortunately, it's a constantly shifting landscape
2024-02-01 13:22:19 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> I agree with you - I think we need to discuss about this
2024-02-01 13:22:55 <@sarah-thornton:matrix.org> the NAACP has some guidelines for states and locations, not based on govt reported travel requirements (Florida is a good example) 
2024-02-01 13:22:58 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> but probably it would be good to have someone take a lead on writing a draft and then giving feedback 
2024-02-01 13:23:25 <@rwright:fedora.im> Well, I guess then the question is do we want to say that the policy says there is a checklist and then we take the checklist aside so that way we kind of decouple the problem
2024-02-01 13:23:32 <@rwright:fedora.im> That way if we want to iterate on the checklist it’s a little bit faster
2024-02-01 13:23:40 <@sarah-thornton:matrix.org> works for me
2024-02-01 13:24:14 <@rwright:fedora.im> I think to your point @Sarah, that things are changing so much we’re never gonna be able to get it codified
2024-02-01 13:24:17 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> we have one checklist that we started in 2019 https://gitlab.com/fedora/dei/home/-/issues/16
2024-02-01 13:24:48 <@sarah-thornton:matrix.org> agreed, it's not something we can do and say "done" - it changes day by day
2024-02-01 13:25:12 <@sarah-thornton:matrix.org> makes it difficult, otherwise we are playing whack-a-mole :-)
2024-02-01 13:25:28 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> 💯
2024-02-01 13:26:25 <@ekidney:matrix.org> Could we track the checklist in a sub project on gitlab and then add issues if there needs changing? That way people can have input too 
2024-02-01 13:26:33 <@ekidney:matrix.org> Easier to track too 
2024-02-01 13:26:48 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> that's a good idea actually
2024-02-01 13:26:50 <@rwright:fedora.im> Can we do an issue template? Is that something we can commit and then PR it?
2024-02-01 13:26:59 <@rwright:fedora.im> To Emma’s point?
2024-02-01 13:27:18 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> yes, we can definitely do that
2024-02-01 13:27:35 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> either as a subproject on GitLab or we can find another way
2024-02-01 13:28:24 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> I can check that with Justin W. Flory (he/him) 
2024-02-01 13:29:37 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> Anything else to add here folks?
2024-02-01 13:30:33 <@rwright:fedora.im> Happy to help draft some of the policy text
2024-02-01 13:30:46 <@rwright:fedora.im> I can write a draft and send over
2024-02-01 13:30:52 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> that would be great Robert Wright (he/him) 🎉
2024-02-01 13:30:54 <@sarah-thornton:matrix.org> Happy to collaborate :-)
2024-02-01 13:30:59 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> thanks Robert
2024-02-01 13:31:02 <@rwright:fedora.im> And if someone else does the checklist draft
2024-02-01 13:31:10 <@ekidney:matrix.org> 🎉
2024-02-01 13:31:14 <@rwright:fedora.im> We can meet in the middle and edit. I’ll send a HackMd file here shortly
2024-02-01 13:31:31 <@ekidney:matrix.org> I can help out too 
2024-02-01 13:31:43 <@rwright:fedora.im> I’m on a 12 hour flight - and as someone who does Risk and Compliance for a day job I feel like this is where I can help out a template for everyone to edit haha
2024-02-01 13:32:21 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> Happy to review and comment on the draft! 
2024-02-01 13:33:15 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> 😍 awesome - so I will action Robert Wright (he/him) and then everyone will help to review/comment on the draft
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2024-02-01 13:34:39 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !action rwright will create a first draft for the Flock location and DEI policy
2024-02-01 13:34:47 <@sarah-thornton:matrix.org> No worries on the cookie, I have a cup of tea and a real cookie (or two) at my desk :-)
2024-02-01 13:35:16 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> anything else to add here or should we continue to the next ticket?
2024-02-01 13:36:14 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !topic DEI 🤝 Marketing — Building a strategy for a more diverse communication
2024-02-01 13:36:22 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !link https://gitlab.com/fedora/dei/home/-/issues/33
2024-02-01 13:36:52 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> another ticket that we can do some brainstorming on how to help the marketing team
2024-02-01 13:39:17 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> I love this ticket!
2024-02-01 13:40:12 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> I think the best way to make this happen is to collaborate on promotion for the regular stuff the team does- that’s the authentic stuff :) 
2024-02-01 13:40:50 <@rwright:fedora.im> I agree - authenticity and visibility is what DEI should show. Forced views of it is where you get rainbow capitalism like he says
2024-02-01 13:41:10 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> So our dei team organized events- for example the marketing team did an amazing job helping with the creative freedom summit, we brought them in early, kept them updated, shared any assets we created, etc 
2024-02-01 13:41:46 <@rwright:fedora.im> Maybe we volunteer someone as tribute to be visible - show more faces of Fedora? Show the new folks or folks who may want to know that we’re not just saying we’re DEI focused, but more that we mean it
2024-02-01 13:42:03 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> Tribute makes me think… A fedora sacrifice 🤣
2024-02-01 13:42:31 <@sarah-thornton:matrix.org> I have to drop - the problem with working in InfoSec is that problems happen and are never considerate of people's time :-)

2024-02-01 13:42:43 <@sarah-thornton:matrix.org> I hope everyone has a great time this weekend!
2024-02-01 13:42:53 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> Another thing we could do is ask them to promote our quarterly update posts 
2024-02-01 13:42:58 <@rwright:fedora.im> I think it’s important to show like younger college aged or whatever that open source and things like Fedora are welcoming places
2024-02-01 13:43:21 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> thanks for joining Sarah Thornton (she/her) 👋 bye
2024-02-01 13:44:37 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> I think a good way to do this is to get those people in already established fedora venues.. maybe over creating our own dei highlight sort of series? The main reason I say that is bc I don’t want people to get targeted for being the face of dei for fedora
2024-02-01 13:44:37 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> another thing Justin has mentioned was the "How do you Fedora" series https://fedoramagazine.org/series/how-do-you-fedora/
2024-02-01 13:44:53 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> Yes how do you fedora or getting folks on the podcast 
2024-02-01 13:45:54 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> Something that could be nice is somehow collaborating with the flock organizers to make some posts around the cfp inviting diverse groups of people to apply 
2024-02-01 13:46:12 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> Something that could be nice is collaborating with the flock organizers to make some posts around the cfp inviting diverse groups of people to apply
2024-02-01 13:47:19 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> Something that worked well for the creative freedom summit was just inviting underrepresented folks to present- people we knew had great things to say- and cut out the cfp process for them 
2024-02-01 13:47:28 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> Idk if that would work for flock but it’s an idea 
2024-02-01 13:48:29 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> A bonus of that would be if those people need visas, they wouldn’t have to wait for the cfp to be managed to start applying for their visa 
2024-02-01 13:49:05 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> I’m sure Justin will see this later and comment on the feasibility of this idea 😁
2024-02-01 13:49:35 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> I will add an action item to comment on the ticket with all the great ideas provided here. 🙂 If any other ideas come later, please add them to the ticket 🎉
2024-02-01 13:49:57 <@ekidney:matrix.org> I think thats a great idea Marie!
2024-02-01 13:49:59 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !action jonatoni comment on the ticket with all the ideas provided during this meeting 
2024-02-01 13:50:09 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> One more idea 😆 we should invite people personally along with general calls- for the various ideas we’ve mentioned 
2024-02-01 13:50:19 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> this would be great
2024-02-01 13:51:01 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> Sometimes folks can be shy or be like oh they don’t mean *me*, a personal invitation helps them get over that hump (aka me, this is literally my experience lol)
2024-02-01 13:52:16 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> I think last year Justin did something similar with one of the keynotes 
2024-02-01 13:52:34 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> but because of visas she didn't manage to join us
2024-02-01 13:53:00 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> Ack yea visas are so tough 
2024-02-01 13:53:30 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> yeah 😅 it's always a struggle
2024-02-01 13:53:48 <@rwright:fedora.im> I say we invest effort in VR spaces. Eliminate the whole travel process. I’ll see you all in the metaverse 😂
2024-02-01 13:53:57 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> since we don't have a lot of time left, I will continue to open floor
2024-02-01 13:54:05 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2024-02-01 13:55:17 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> Creative freedom summit went so well! Our program of speakers was wonderfully diverse this year ☺️
2024-02-01 13:55:55 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> great job to the organizing team - I attended some of the talks and I really liked it 🎉
2024-02-01 13:55:57 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> It was def a great call to do a cfp and to invite some folks 
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2024-02-01 13:57:02 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> Emma Kidney was a huge part of why it was a success 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
2024-02-01 13:57:02 <@rwright:fedora.im> Oh my goodness did Zod just send a gif
2024-02-01 13:57:09 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> I did lol
2024-02-01 13:57:13 <@rwright:fedora.im> Oh lol
2024-02-01 13:57:31 <@riecatnor:fedora.im> It does show under Zod tho 😅
2024-02-01 13:57:36 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> Emma Kidney++ 
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2024-02-01 13:57:52 <@rwright:fedora.im> Emma Kidney++
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2024-02-01 13:58:08 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> cookie party 😍
2024-02-01 13:58:29 <@ekidney:matrix.org> hehe thanks
2024-02-01 13:59:21 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> soon...we need to start working on Fedora Week of Diversity 
2024-02-01 13:59:40 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> so if someone wants to volunteer, please comment in the ticket 🙏
2024-02-01 14:00:13 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> more events coming up 😅
2024-02-01 14:00:34 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> and I think it's time to close the meeting for today 🎉
2024-02-01 14:00:41 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> thanks a lot everyone for joining 
2024-02-01 14:00:47 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> see you in 2 weeks 🙂
2024-02-01 14:00:53 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !endmeeting