16:03:59 #startmeeting F23-blocker-review 16:03:59 Meeting started Mon Jul 13 16:03:59 2015 UTC. The chair is roshi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:03:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:03:59 #meetingname F23-blocker-review 16:03:59 The meeting name has been set to 'f23-blocker-review' 16:04:00 #topic Roll Call 16:04:11 * kparal is here 16:04:24 ahoyhoy 16:04:29 * garretraziel is here 16:04:38 #chair kparal adamw garretraziel 16:04:38 Current chairs: adamw garretraziel kparal roshi 16:04:42 new blood! 16:04:51 prepare the altar! 16:05:00 welcome garretraziel :) 16:05:04 again? i only just got the stains off from the last time. 16:05:16 such is life adamw ... 16:05:22 shoulda used OxyClean 16:05:27 #topic Introduction 16:05:27 Why are we here? 16:05:27 #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 16:05:31 #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 16:05:33 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:05:36 #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 16:05:38 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 16:05:41 #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 16:05:43 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Alpha_Release_Criteria 16:05:46 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Beta_Release_Criteria 16:05:49 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Final_Release_Criteria 16:05:52 gonna be a shorter meeting, 2/0/1 for proposed blockers 16:06:05 * satellit listening 16:06:07 but I figure it's good to start getting back into the swing of things 16:06:12 #chair satellit 16:06:12 Current chairs: adamw garretraziel kparal roshi satellit 16:06:25 onto the Alpha blockers! 16:06:26 #topic (1236937) fstab is malformed, system doesn't assemble correctly at boot 16:06:29 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1236937 16:06:32 #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW 16:06:55 * danofsatx is here, apparently 16:07:03 * lbrabec is listening 16:07:33 this seems to be affecting UEFI installs, right? 16:07:45 i meant to reproduce and confirm it but didn't get around to it yet 16:07:58 looks like it affects bios as well 16:08:02 but sounds from the bug like we have confirmation 16:08:08 yeah 16:09:01 though, I think "All release-blocking images must boot in their supported configurations" is a better criteria 16:09:14 no, it isn't 16:09:18 that refers to the images specifically. 16:09:26 this bug affects installed systems, not the images we release. 16:09:27 oh, right 16:09:47 cmurf's criterion seems good enough for me 16:10:04 works for me 16:10:06 +1 16:10:21 assuming the bug is confirmed as described, +1 16:10:50 it looks like a blocker, +1 16:10:54 +1 16:10:59 proposed #agreed - 1236937 - AcceptedBlocker Alpha - This bug is a clear violation of the following Alpha criteria: "The installed system must be able to download and install updates with the default console package manager." 16:11:10 grub is definitely not updated, confirmed by twohot 16:11:24 ack 16:11:30 ack 16:11:38 #agreed - 1236937 - AcceptedBlocker Alpha - This bug is a clear violation of the following Alpha criteria: "The installed system must be able to download and install updates with the default console package manager." 16:11:48 #topic (1208092) Mock should not umount my mounts 16:11:48 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1208092 16:11:48 #info Proposed Blocker, mock, NEW 16:12:25 why is this a blocker? 16:12:44 it blocks iso generation according to dgilmore 16:12:46 because it causes compose tools to not work 16:12:51 oh, ok 16:13:12 this is what's breaking boot.iso generation? 16:13:32 quite possibly yeah. new pungi needs this to work. 16:13:49 i'd be +1 if it's for sure breaking image generation... 16:13:54 be nice to be certain, though. 16:13:57 dgilmore still in his meeting? 16:14:15 he's running the releng meeting and asking the mock maintainers to fix this bug right now. ;) 16:16:05 if it breaks image generation, +1 16:16:20 i guess i trust dgilmore, so +1. 16:16:32 note: I've just filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1242586 as an automatic blocker (for nightly lives failing to boot) 16:16:42 +1 16:16:55 so noted 16:16:58 +1 16:17:06 +1 16:17:41 proposed #agreed - 1208092 - AcceptedBlocker - As this bug breaks image generation, it is accepted as a blocker. 16:17:52 ack 16:17:54 ack 16:18:01 do we have a secretary? 16:18:05 #agreed - 1208092 - AcceptedBlocker - As this bug breaks image generation, it is accepted as a blocker. 16:18:12 kparal: you win the prize! 16:18:15 :p 16:18:19 no, we don't yet 16:18:35 congratulations, kparal 16:18:41 hmmm 16:18:49 * danofsatx votes for kparal 16:19:02 any volunteers with more spare time than I currently have? 16:19:06 you said the secret passphrase :p 16:19:17 I can do it after the meeting if others don't want to/have time 16:19:17 fiiiine, i'll do it 16:19:23 thanks adamw 16:19:24 thanks :) 16:19:54 we have no proposals for Beta, so skipping onto the Final proposal 16:19:56 * kparal juggling too many tasks at once atm 16:19:57 #topic (1224561) lvm2 can't be installed with generic-release 16:20:00 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224561 16:20:02 #info Proposed Blocker, lvm2, ASSIGNED 16:20:22 that wasn't there earlier.... 16:20:47 I added it during the qa meeting. 16:20:55 sneaky... 16:21:19 we don't have an exact criterion for this, I think 16:21:35 I don't think we do either 16:22:01 but it's close to any other branding criterion, I'd say 16:22:06 or the generic-release one 16:22:06 hum, new meetbot doesn't apparently give us log links until the meeting is finished :( 16:22:11 so can't really secretarialize on the fly 16:22:25 adamw: unfortunately that's right 16:22:26 munge the date, they're there 16:22:30 * roshi always used backscroll 16:22:32 It's been out there for a while. I don't like the requirement on an activate friendly preset file, but given that they are doing that they should find a way to make it work with generic-release. 16:22:50 * kparal wanted to file a meetbot RFE but forgot 16:23:57 * danofsatx doesn't have an opinion on this one 16:25:00 adamw: meetbot-raw has the raw logs. 16:25:05 which products use generic-release? 16:25:08 Dennis did add a preset file to generic-release, but they can't just do an or requires so some work is needed. 16:25:25 nirik: oh, didn't know about that. 16:25:34 brunowolff: just depend on system-release . 16:25:47 that's what virtual provides are for. 16:26:36 IMO there shouldn't be any dependency at all. There client should just do something reasonable if the service isn't running already. 16:27:14 we don't need to thrash that out here, really, point is it's viable to fix the bug, one way or another. 16:27:35 roshi: none. 16:27:42 ah 16:27:43 * danofsatx has to run 16:27:48 it's a placeholder/example for people who remix fedora 16:27:51 mark me down for +1 on adam's bug 16:27:54 so the criterion we have is "A Package-x-generic-16.pngfedora-release package containing the correct names, information and repository configuration for a final Fedora release must be present on release-blocking images and the appropriately versioned Package-x-generic-16.pnggeneric-release package must be available in the release repository." 16:28:23 nirik: however, as it stands, this bug basically means you can't do a remix that works properlyu 16:28:25 I agree, but it hasn't moved for a while, and I think it is something we want for final. I doubt much generic-release testing happens before then. 16:28:36 adamw: indeed. 16:28:47 well, unless you have your -release package provide fedora-release , i guess. 16:29:12 the criterion we have doesn't really require it to be possible to do remixes. i'm not sure if we need that to be a release-time requirement or not... 16:29:22 we should definitely fix it, but I don't think it's super urgent. we can't even produce our own images right now, not sure how as remix would. :) 16:29:32 Sorry about the image mentions, I did a copy and paste and didn't notice the images were included until too late. 16:29:33 it's one of those areas where we have limited real-world usage so it's all a bit theoretical 16:29:55 nirik: well, it's only proposed as a final blocker., 16:30:31 * nirik is fine with final for sure. 16:31:39 we don't really have a criterion for it, though. the question would be if we ought to i guess. 16:32:22 I'd hate for spins to be broken at GA, so I think a criteria for this would be good 16:32:42 roshi: this isn't about spins, but remixes... 16:32:49 spins use the fedora-release packages. 16:33:01 My thought was that the spirit of the mentioned criteria was that it would be usable was implied by being required to be in repository. 16:33:08 i guess it'd affect korora 16:33:12 oh 16:33:29 for some reason I was interchanging those two term in my head 16:33:46 as I don't think about them often (just because I don't see them come up very often) 16:33:50 brunowolff: that's a *bit* more of a leap than i'm comfortable with, personally i'd prefer to have an explicit criterion (or an explicit update to that criterion) 16:33:54 if we're going to block on it 16:34:16 I'm -1 as it stands 16:34:19 roshi: yeah, there just aren't terribly many remixes, really. korora is one, i think. fedlet technically is one. 16:34:33 but would be ok with a new criterion though if it's deemed important enough 16:34:40 pidora? 16:34:42 i guess i'd be OK with punting if someone wnats to propose revising the criteria to cover it 16:34:46 roshi: probably 16:35:04 seems like the kind of thing that could benefit from a considered mailing list discussion rather than a quick IRC call 16:35:13 yeah 16:35:32 -1 to blockeriness, +1 to interested parties starting a mailing list discussion on criteria 16:36:20 How quickly do those remixes come out? This is something that can be fixed after release, but could cause delays for remixes. 16:36:23 adamw: +1 for mailing list 16:36:52 proposed #agreed - 1224561 - RejectedBlocker Final - This bug doesn't violate any current criteria. Parties interested in remixes and this bug should start a discussion on list regarding the drafting of a potential criteria to cover this case. 16:38:20 ack 16:38:41 ack 16:38:53 brunowolff: right, that's the kinda thing we'd want to think about - does it actually make sense to block the fedora release on remixes being possible, do we want to make sure you can do a remix from the frozen final release packages, etc. 16:39:18 well, i was gonna say punt, but -1 and repropose if criteria change is ok, i guess. 16:39:25 someone want to volunteer to start a thread about it? 16:40:01 I guess that would be me. On the test list? 16:40:04 I don't follow the remixes close enough to really weigh in on it 16:40:17 +1 to brunowolff starting it 16:40:39 I am not sure which lists remix people would read 16:40:59 perhaps start it on the list, and then CC maintainers from the remixes 16:41:16 Maybe spins would be better than test? 16:42:30 devel? 16:42:35 I'll leave that up to you, can discuss further in #fedora-qa 16:42:43 as I think we've determined if this is a blocker right now 16:42:49 huh 16:42:49 there is apparently a fedora-remixes mailing list 16:42:56 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/remixes/ 16:42:57 good place to start 16:43:01 last mail: march 2014 :) 16:43:31 votes, ack/nack/patch? 16:45:01 OK, I'll join the remixes list and start a discussion there. I may copy the original message to another list or two with a note about going to the remix list. 16:45:15 brunowolff: that would work nicely I think 16:45:16 ack 16:45:27 ack 16:45:39 #agreed - 1224561 - RejectedBlocker Final - This bug doesn't violate any current criteria. Parties interested in remixes and this bug should start a discussion on list regarding the drafting of a potential criteria to cover this case. 16:45:45 #topic Open Floor 16:45:52 anybody have anything for open floor? 16:46:06 Council meeting is going to be starting here in 15 minutes 16:46:19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=552P7TXRt7w if you want to watch it 16:46:44 and I think it'll be transcribed in #fedora-meeting if you don't want to load the youtubes 16:47:37 i'm working on the live boot bug with a hint from bcl 16:48:24 good to know 16:48:32 * roshi sets the fuse... 16:48:33 3... 16:49:43 2... 16:49:53 1... 16:50:41 thanks for coming folks! 16:50:45 #endmeeting