17:04:21 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2013-11-25 17:04:22 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Nov 25 17:04:21 2013 UTC. The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:04:22 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:04:38 <cwickert> #topic Roll call 17:04:42 <cwickert> .fas cwickert 17:04:44 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com> 17:04:50 <tuanta> .fas tuanta 17:04:51 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com> 17:05:01 <LoKoMurdoK> .fas lbazan 17:05:02 <zodbot> LoKoMurdoK: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <bazanluis20@gmail.com> 17:05:25 <cwickert> #info sesivany sent regrets, he his on holidays 17:05:37 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt 17:05:37 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com> 17:08:04 * cwickert counts 4 people 17:08:16 <cwickert> who is missing? 17:08:27 <LoKoMurdoK> robyduck: ping 17:08:38 <aeperezt> LoKoMurdoK, thanks 17:08:56 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: :-) 17:09:16 <tuanta> and bckurera 17:09:27 <cwickert> does anybody know what's up with bckurera? 17:09:31 <aeperezt> thanks tuanta 17:09:53 <tuanta> cwickert: I have no idea 17:10:09 <cwickert> I mean, we warned him we would remove him from famsco, he showed up once or twice, but it's the same story again 17:10:40 <aeperezt> cwickert, right 17:10:48 <cwickert> should we ask sesivany to get in touch with him again? 17:11:01 <tuanta> it is closed to the next election now 17:11:02 <cwickert> or should we just wait? I mean, the elections are not too far away 17:11:05 <cwickert> ok 17:11:17 <aeperezt> cwickert, right 17:11:23 <cwickert> everybody agrees that we wait? 17:11:28 <tuanta> +1 17:11:33 <LoKoMurdoK> +1 17:11:39 <aeperezt> +1 17:11:55 <tuanta> I think we do not need to do anything, just wait for the next election 17:12:07 <cwickert> #agreed: FAmSCo is unhappy about the repeated absence of bckurera but will note remove him from the committee as the elections are around the corner 17:12:19 <cwickert> ok, let's move on 17:12:32 <aeperezt> tuanta, agreed but we need to make sure that this kind of things do not happen 17:12:49 <LoKoMurdoK> card holder? 17:12:49 <aeperezt> the same happen before 17:13:02 * cwickert logs in... 17:13:23 <aeperezt> when we wanted to do something the term was over so we have horphan seat for a while 17:13:27 <tuanta> next topic? 17:13:31 <cwickert> #link: the agenda for today#s meeting can be found https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9 17:13:47 <cwickert> seems outdated 17:14:17 <cwickert> anything we actually have to discuss? 17:14:36 <cwickert> .famsco 333 17:14:36 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/333 17:14:47 <tuanta> I have some updates about CC card holder for APAC 17:14:51 <cwickert> #topic RH Community Credit Card holder for APAC 17:15:01 <cwickert> tuanta: please go ahead 17:15:08 <tuanta> I put them to the ticket too 17:15:27 <aeperezt> tuanta, did you contact him or Suehelen 17:15:34 <tuanta> finally, I got confirmation from Kushal 17:15:58 <tuanta> he told me that he is leaving Red Hat 17:16:02 <cwickert> aeperezt: you mean Ruth? 17:16:07 <aeperezt> cwickert, yes 17:16:30 <cwickert> ok 17:16:36 <tuanta> so, now he is not Red Hat employee any more 17:16:37 <cwickert> I think there is not much we can do 17:16:49 <cwickert> except to poke rsuehle 17:17:26 <cwickert> I think rsuehle and rbergeron need to tell their boss(es) that we have no candidates who work at RH 17:17:49 <tuanta> In this case, I think KageSenshi is more appropriated since he has been approved by APAC community in the regional meeting 17:17:56 <cwickert> so they need to talk to the finance guys and make it clear that we cannot fulfill this requirement 17:18:09 <tuanta> yes, cwickert 17:18:43 <aeperezt> tuanta izhar is RH employee? 17:18:48 <tuanta> s/appropriated/suitable (sorry, my bad English) 17:18:48 <cwickert> no 17:18:54 <tuanta> no 17:19:12 <cwickert> so the way forward is: ask rsuehle and rbergeron to talk to finance, and then make KageSenshi the CC holder 17:19:18 <cwickert> does everybody agree? 17:19:28 <aeperezt> +1 17:19:34 <LoKoMurdoK> +1 17:19:42 <tuanta> yes, I think it is the best way now 17:19:43 <tuanta> +1 17:20:12 <tuanta> I can take this action 17:20:19 <tuanta> please mark one to me 17:20:51 <cwickert> +1 17:21:56 <cwickert> #agreed tuanta to ask rsuehle and rbergeron to talk to the finance people and convince them to allow a non-RH person as CC holder for APAC. Once they have green light, make KageSenshi the CC holder 17:22:19 <LoKoMurdoK> next topic EMEA mentor nomination? ticket #352? 17:22:54 <cwickert> .famsco 352 17:22:56 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/352 17:23:06 <aeperezt> LoKoMurdoK, that ticket was voted before 17:23:18 <cwickert> #topic EMEA Mentor Nomination: Keiran Smith 17:23:23 <cwickert> this was approved already 17:23:31 <cwickert> but I wonder how we move on? 17:23:32 <aeperezt> cwickert, right 17:23:38 <aeperezt> it is on the ticket 17:23:44 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: ok 17:24:03 <tuanta> it's final decision, right? 17:24:07 <cwickert> yes 17:24:08 <tuanta> any other steps? 17:24:09 <aeperezt> tuanta, yes 17:24:23 <cwickert> tuanta: can you make him sponsor in FAS? 17:24:40 <tuanta> yes, I think that is the final step 17:24:46 <tuanta> I will do 17:24:59 <tuanta> please mark me one more action 17:25:53 <LoKoMurdoK> cwickert: I think we can close this ticket? 17:25:54 * tuanta is looking up to make sure his name is listed on the Ambassador Mentors wiki 17:26:06 <cwickert> #action tuanta to add affix to the sponsors in FAS 17:26:31 <cwickert> #undo 17:26:31 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x8b6c390> 17:26:38 <cwickert> tuanta: just upgraded him 17:26:45 <cwickert> so FAS is done 17:26:47 <tuanta> yes, I know 17:26:53 <cwickert> only the wiki needs to be edited 17:27:04 <cwickert> I did it 20 seconds ago, you cannot know it ;) 17:27:04 <tuanta> I will do it now. Just a moment 17:27:09 <cwickert> ok 17:27:15 <cwickert> any other business? 17:27:24 <cwickert> s/business/tickets 17:27:37 <cwickert> if not, I suggest we continue with the schedule 17:27:43 <tuanta> thanks :) 17:28:15 <aeperezt> no from me 17:28:19 <LoKoMurdoK> nop 17:28:20 <aeperezt> so we can continue 17:28:37 <tuanta> yes, next topic 17:29:34 <cwickert> #topic Schedule 17:29:45 <cwickert> #link http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-20/f-20-ambassadors-tasks.html 17:29:59 <cwickert> so, we need to hurry up with release events 17:30:09 <cwickert> it's my fault I did not send out the announcement yet 17:31:01 <tuanta> some teams are preparing already but it's better to send an official announcement 17:31:18 <cwickert> #info official release is 2013-12-10, let's hurry up 17:31:29 <cwickert> I will send the call out right after this meeting 17:31:30 <aeperezt> ok 17:31:42 <cwickert> #action cwickert to send out the call for release events 17:32:41 <cwickert> #action cwickert to send aeperezt the pins 17:32:47 <cwickert> aeperezt: I will do this tomorrow 17:32:59 <aeperezt> cwickert, thanks 17:33:12 <cwickert> are all regions prepared? do you have enough swag? 17:33:20 <cwickert> I think EMEA and APAC should be fine 17:33:31 <cwickert> what about NA and LATAM? 17:34:12 <aeperezt> cwickert, we need to made media for f20 we are low on swags and budget for next quarter, but we have enought to cover release parties and produce media 17:35:05 <cwickert> ouch 17:35:16 <cwickert> did we discuss media at all? 17:35:35 <aeperezt> on famsco not 17:35:44 <cwickert> locally? 17:35:53 <aeperezt> we have a reserve to produce f20 media locally 17:35:58 <aeperezt> latam 17:36:10 <aeperezt> at least not sure other regions 17:36:21 * cwickert does not know if it was discussed in EMEA 17:38:21 * cwickert still looks 17:38:23 <tuanta> it has not been discussed in APAC yet but I think we will produce them locally per country as usual 17:39:01 <cwickert> EMEA request: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/307 17:39:36 <tuanta> we have a chance to distribute them if we can organize APAC FAD on January, but I think almost release parities are over at that time 17:39:42 <cwickert> what if we produced all media in EMEA? 17:40:18 <aeperezt> cwickert, not sure it will be ready 17:40:26 <aeperezt> on time to have them on Latam 17:40:42 <aeperezt> we produce on Brazil 17:40:42 <cwickert> how long does it take? 17:41:01 <LoKoMurdoK> the problem is to send all media or not 17:41:02 <tuanta> it is not easy to distribute them, especially in APAC 17:41:27 <cwickert> my idea was: have everything produced in EMEA, then ship them to hubs, say to tuanta and aeperezt 17:41:30 <aeperezt> we know we can produce on brasil and distribute on brasil 17:41:36 <cwickert> and from their they can be distributed 17:41:40 <tuanta> swag is ok but we need media in a short time (almost for release parties) 17:41:45 <cwickert> but it will be at least one more week 17:41:57 <cwickert> we usually need a week to produce them in EMEA 17:42:09 <cwickert> but we would need one week to ship them to LATAM and APAC 17:42:11 <aeperezt> cwickert, that could work but will depend on how much it cost to ship and then we can redistribute 17:42:18 <cwickert> and then local distribution starts 17:42:25 <cwickert> but I guess it is to slow, right? 17:42:45 <aeperezt> right 17:42:46 <cwickert> and local distribution is probably expensive 17:42:56 <cwickert> ok, this is too late for this cycle 17:43:06 <cwickert> we should evaluate this for next year 17:43:16 <tuanta> can we estimate how long it takes to each country? 17:43:24 <cwickert> I mean, we need numbers, how long it takes and how much it is 17:43:33 <tuanta> yes, cwickert 17:43:44 <cwickert> so from EMEA to anywhere in the world should not take more than a week 17:43:58 <cwickert> but anyway, let's just keep the idea in mind 17:44:08 <aeperezt> cwickert, on latam any standard mail shipping take 2 week at minimal from Panama 17:44:14 <cwickert> I will file a ticket so nothing gets lost 17:44:17 <tuanta> should we note to a ticket? 17:44:19 <aeperezt> to other countries on latam 17:44:21 <tuanta> +1 17:44:46 <tuanta> +1 cwickert, I meant 17:44:49 <cwickert> #action cwickert to bring up the idea of a central media production and distribution as ticket. it's unclear if it works, but we should think about it 17:44:59 <cwickert> #undo 17:44:59 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x865a950> 17:45:05 <aeperezt> so what ever time it take from emea to Panama we have to add 2 weeks on shipping 17:45:05 <cwickert> #agreed cwickert to bring up the idea of a central media production and distribution as ticket. it's unclear if it works, but we should think about it 17:45:10 <cwickert> #action cwickert to bring up the idea of a central media production and distribution as ticket. it's unclear if it works, but we should think about it 17:45:12 <cwickert> ok 17:45:16 <aeperezt> so not sure we have time for f20 17:45:29 <cwickert> aeperezt: no, just do as you had planned for F20 17:45:41 <aeperezt> cwickert, ok 17:45:51 <cwickert> does anybody know the status of the shirts? 17:45:51 <tuanta> yes, it is for next release(s) 17:46:45 <tuanta> robyduck updated something in the last meeting 17:46:53 * tuanta is looking for the logs 17:47:01 <LoKoMurdoK> first do a test with something simple.. sent anything and check the time to arrive, $$$, others.. 17:47:34 <tuanta> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2013-11-18/famsco.2013-11-18-17.02.html 17:49:13 <tuanta> according the plan as robyduck said, I think the shirts are printing now 17:49:19 <cwickert> ok 17:50:07 <tuanta> but it's best to ask him for updates 17:50:23 <LoKoMurdoK> tuanta: +1 17:51:19 <tuanta> anything to discuss today? 17:51:36 <aeperezt> tuanta, no from me 17:51:47 <LoKoMurdoK> nop! 17:51:50 <cwickert> #action if you have anybody who deserves a 10th anniversary shirt and who is not yet listed on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F20_anniversary_tshirt , please let robyduck know. I am thinking of long-term contributors with great impact who are not part of any group like FAmSCo, FESCo etc, e. g. (former) packagers 17:52:00 <cwickert> but I think that's it 17:52:06 <cwickert> any other business? 17:52:39 * cwickert will close the meeing in 3 17:52:41 <cwickert> 2 17:52:43 <cwickert> 1 17:52:47 <cwickert> #endmeeting