17:00:11 <sesivany> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2014-01-20
17:00:11 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jan 20 17:00:11 2014 UTC.  The chair is sesivany. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:00:17 <sesivany> #meetingname famsco
17:00:18 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
17:00:24 <sesivany> #topic Roll Call
17:00:27 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:00:28 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:00:33 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
17:00:34 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
17:00:35 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
17:00:37 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
17:01:13 <LoKoMurdoK> .fas lbazan
17:01:15 <zodbot> LoKoMurdoK: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <bazanluis20@gmail.com>
17:01:32 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
17:01:32 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
17:02:32 <Affix> .fas Affix
17:02:32 <zodbot> Affix: pyrox 'Keiran Smith' <jan@fedoraproject.org> - affix 'Keiran Smith' <fedora@affix.me>
17:03:09 * sesivany doesn't see cwickert online to ping him.
17:03:40 <sesivany> otherwise we're complete.
17:04:00 <sesivany> do we have any announcements?
17:04:23 <aeperezt> I have one
17:04:31 <sesivany> #topic Announcements
17:04:36 <sesivany> aeperezt: go ahead
17:05:03 <aeperezt> ask.fedoraproject.org  is multilanguage setup, soon Spanish version will be running
17:05:32 <sesivany> #info ask.fedoraproject.org  is multilanguage setup, soon Spanish version will be running
17:05:40 <LoKoMurdoK> good!
17:06:11 <sesivany> aeperezt: I want a Czech version! :) but I guess no one is going to do it for a language that is spoken just by 12 million people.
17:06:56 <aeperezt> sesivany, get in line, there will be other languages laters we will be testing with Spanish
17:07:34 <aeperezt> sesivany, brazilians are already getting into it
17:07:46 <sesivany> aeperezt: yeah, but I don't think there will be enough people interested in Czech. Most Czech users are used to going to fedora.cz for help.
17:07:53 <sesivany> but it's good to know.
17:08:01 <sesivany> any other announcements?
17:08:13 <sesivany> do you have an idea when the elections start?
17:08:17 <aeperezt> sesivany, right
17:08:23 <aeperezt> sesivany, no
17:08:36 * sesivany is currently super busy preparing devconf.cz and buying an apartment.
17:08:42 <tuanta> No, i am waiting for townhall
17:08:55 <robyduck> january 23th IIRC
17:09:02 <aeperezt> sesivany, good
17:09:26 <tuanta> You are rich, sesivany :)
17:09:38 <aeperezt> sesivany, and congrats
17:09:45 <nb> sesivany, FYI I did receive the 10 years shirt last week, no clue about what happened to my schroedinger's cat shirts, if you coud send a 2xl with someone from the US at fosdem, that would be wonderful
17:11:23 <sesivany> nb: I know what happened to it.
17:11:39 <sesivany> nb: we sent you two and the first one came back last week.
17:11:52 <LoKoMurdoK> what about to increase the fudcon budget? :-)
17:11:56 <tuanta> I have not received it yet
17:12:04 <nb> sesivany, did it say why it came back?
17:12:32 <tuanta> No, nb
17:12:59 <sesivany> nb: the package was damaged. It probably got rained on and the address disappeared.
17:13:06 <nb> oh ok
17:13:36 <tuanta> Ah.
17:13:38 <sesivany> nb: I'll figure out how to get it to you, don't worry.
17:13:46 <nb> sesivany, ok thank you
17:14:08 <sesivany> ok, let's move on to the next topic.
17:14:26 <sesivany> #topic FY2015 budget drafts
17:14:32 <sesivany> our favorite topic :)
17:14:40 <aeperezt> sesivany, yeah
17:14:53 <sesivany> we haven't made any changes in the EMEA draft since the last meeting.
17:15:08 <tuanta> !
17:15:11 * nb has not been able to attend that past FAmNA meeting or two, so i'm not sure what the status of NA budget drafts is
17:15:20 <aeperezt> sesivany, same on latam we are ready
17:15:42 <sesivany> tuanta: just speak
17:16:04 <tuanta> I am collecting in APAC. However, It seems not many people want to involve :(
17:16:26 <sesivany> tuanta: too bad for them
17:17:07 <sesivany> tuanta: open source is about meritocracy. Who does the job makes decisions. And it's you now apparently.
17:17:08 <tuanta> Now I just do it myself
17:17:29 <robyduck> +1
17:17:48 <tuanta> Hope they will involve in the last minute
17:18:00 <sesivany> tuanta: don't forget we have just 10 days to finalize the drafts.
17:18:09 <sesivany> then we should send it to Ruth.
17:18:11 <tuanta> I know
17:18:52 <tuanta> I noted all in my message sent to the list
17:19:16 <tuanta> But no one has responded me up to.now
17:19:35 <sesivany> nb: I hope Jon Disnard will make it to FAmSCo and will again have a representative of NA. Then the communication will be much better.
17:19:59 <tuanta> Too bad :(
17:20:30 <tuanta> +1 sesivany. A good news for na
17:21:19 <tuanta> Hope he will be elected :)
17:21:28 <sesivany> tuanta: remind them that when they ask you for money: When you could ask for money and could actually get some, you didn't. It's the most effective way. We've been teaching it for a while :)
17:21:56 <aeperezt> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget_2015
17:22:13 <aeperezt> sesivany, +1
17:23:14 <sesivany> tuanta: do you have a link to your draft?
17:23:34 <tuanta> Yes, wait a moment please
17:25:02 <tuanta> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget:2015
17:25:13 <sesivany> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget:2015
17:25:46 <tuanta> Just some activities I can see
17:26:28 <tuanta> I will try to remind people a few times this week
17:26:41 <sesivany> tuanta: ok
17:28:04 <sesivany> tuanta: do you have a total amount of the budget?
17:28:59 <tuanta> I will summarize it later
17:29:23 <sesivany> tuanta: but what is your estimation? roughly.
17:30:08 <tuanta> About 12-15k, I think
17:30:52 <tuanta> I will have the final number to propose this weekend
17:31:02 <tuanta> By the deadline
17:31:03 <sesivany> ok, that makes $75,000 for EMEA, LATAM, and APAC.
17:31:30 <sesivany> if NA plans to spend the same as last year, it's $130,000 in total.
17:32:06 <tuanta> Have you got actual spent number of NA?
17:32:16 <sesivany> I don't think we will get more than $100,000 which means we should expect our drafts to be cut by 30% again.
17:32:17 <tuanta> This year, i meant
17:32:32 <tuanta> ')
17:32:58 <sesivany> tuanta: no
17:33:07 <aeperezt> ok
17:33:37 <tuanta> Should we add more 30% bf
17:33:41 <sesivany> tuanta: I mean there are numbers from Ruth, but if I compare it with what we track in EMEA, LATAM and APAC, there are very different, so I don't rust them too much.
17:34:04 <tuanta> Before proposing
17:34:17 <tuanta> ;)
17:36:06 <sesivany> tuanta: that is not going to help us because the only result would be that we would have to cut it by 60% :)
17:36:19 <tuanta> Lol
17:36:27 <sesivany> I don't think that the higher amount we ask for the more money we will get.
17:37:28 <aeperezt> We have to had a reasonable number increase do new support areas or grow
17:37:59 <aeperezt> in latam case adding support to Peru do to a new community develping there
17:39:49 <sesivany> aeperezt: sure, we'll try to get from OSAS as much as possible. But you know it. Last time, we got less and there was no way.
17:40:26 <aeperezt> sesivany, that is right and we need to try to give proper reasons for the increases
17:40:47 <aeperezt> not just add more to try to get more.
17:40:52 <sesivany> aeperezt: and we have to back by numbers that we actually spent all we got last time.
17:41:08 <sesivany> that's something we can do this time and couldn't last time.
17:41:14 <nb> sesivany, I would say NA plans to spend at least the same as we are this year, this year might be a little low spending because we've been dealing with the bureaucracy of trying to get our vendors added to the PO system, since they won't let us use a credit card for >$1K like we have in the past
17:41:42 <aeperezt> That is why I'm trying clarify the amount that latam spend so OSAS numbers match what we have
17:42:14 <aeperezt> sesivany, other wise it will be no justification for any increase
17:43:07 <sesivany> ok, do we have any other topic to discuss today?
17:43:56 <aeperezt> No, next meeting I like to review the Latam Fudcon recomendation from famsco so we pass it to FPL
17:44:07 <sesivany> #topic Openfloor
17:44:18 <sesivany> aeperezt: sure
17:44:20 <tuanta> No. If we have anything urgent, we should drop a line to FAmSCo list
17:44:22 <aeperezt> as Latam will do it on recomendation on next meeting.
17:44:47 <sesivany> aeperezt: do you still have to pay for the venue in Managua?
17:45:09 <aeperezt> sesivany, no
17:45:10 <tuanta> APAC is also in reviewing the bid from China team
17:45:55 <nb> are we still waiting on a date for Flock?
17:46:16 <sesivany> nb: yes, I'm afraid
17:46:37 * nb is looking forward to it, I have never left the USA before
17:46:44 <sesivany> nb: but I think it's going to be around Aug 7-10.
17:47:01 <tuanta> I hope I can make it to Flock this year too
17:47:41 * nb should be able to attend those days as long as I can get funding, I doubt I could go if i had to pay for ticket
17:47:43 <sesivany> nb: just wait, the Czech Republic is a wild country. Beer is cheaper than water here :)
17:48:34 * tuanta loves beer :)
17:48:48 * nb does not drink alcohol
17:49:25 <sesivany> nb: what do you want to do in Prague then? :)
17:49:34 <LoKoMurdoK> tuanta: +1 :-)
17:49:40 <aeperezt> I have to go see you later
17:49:46 <nb> lol
17:49:47 <aeperezt> thanks
17:49:58 <nb> sesivany, work on Fedora stuff, see a different country, :)
17:50:03 <tuanta> Beer is not alcohol in Europe. It is a religion.
17:50:03 <sesivany> nb: yes, there are many cool sightseeing places, but many don't get beyond beer :)
17:50:10 <LoKoMurdoK> tuanta: haha!
17:50:50 <tuanta> lol
17:50:53 <sesivany> but really Prague is a really nice city. As I say: Prague is better for visiting, Brno is better for living :)
17:51:50 <sesivany> there has always been a huge rivarly between Prague and Brno. But Red Hat Czech is based in Brno, so I have to side Brno.
17:52:36 <tuanta> Well, i want to go now
17:52:41 <sesivany> ok, enough talking.
17:52:50 <tuanta> Just sleepy :)
17:52:53 <sesivany> thank you for coming today and see you next week!
17:53:07 <tuanta> See you
17:53:20 * sesivany is getting back to the organizational stuff (FOSDEM, DevConf.cz).
17:53:25 <sesivany> #endmeeting