16:30:07 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG
16:30:07 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 29 16:30:07 2009 UTC.  The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:30:13 <nirik> #topic Init process
16:30:38 * zcat ☕
16:31:02 * Southern_Gentlem 
16:32:25 * nirik will wait a few more for folks to wander in.
16:33:18 * thomasj 
16:34:12 * XulWork 
16:34:16 <nirik> ok, I guess we can go ahead and get started.
16:34:22 <nirik> #topic Stats
16:34:32 <nirik> weekly stats as always at http://theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
16:35:00 <nirik> lots of use of the rawhide link... likely due to beta users
16:35:22 <Southern_Gentlem> yep
16:36:20 <nirik> nothing else stands out to much to me.
16:36:46 <nirik> anyone have anything else on stats? or shall we move on?
16:37:21 <nirik> #topic fedbot in fedora-social
16:37:36 <nirik> so, we have had fedbot oped in social for a while now... it's been used a few times.
16:37:46 <nirik> is that working out? Do we want to revisit it any?
16:38:17 * nirik hasn't heard any complaints, but not sure if that means much
16:38:42 <XulWork> so what is fedora-social and how does it differ from just #fedora?
16:39:14 <Southern_Gentlem> fedora is end user support -social is a social channel
16:39:15 <nirik> XulWork: it's the social/off topic channel.
16:39:39 <Southern_Gentlem> EvilBob, ping
16:39:40 <nirik> for fedora using folks to just chit chat about non support related stuff
16:41:08 <nirik> anyhow, I am fine with just going on as it is now until we need to revist/adjust it.
16:41:22 <Southern_Gentlem> nirik,  i think they are policing themselves so thats fine
16:41:36 * nirik nods.
16:41:50 <nirik> anything further on this topic?
16:42:38 <Southern_Gentlem> next
16:42:43 <thomasj> +1
16:43:16 * Southern_Gentlem has been eaten by the lag monstor
16:43:22 <nirik> #topic Beta/Prerelease/Release prep
16:43:33 <nirik> beta is out now.
16:43:46 <nirik> we are likely going to get folks wanting to install beta and upgrade to final.
16:43:50 <nirik> nirik: See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_from_pre-release_to_final and let us know if you have any further questions.
16:44:08 * Southern_Gentlem directs nirik to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PreUpgrade
16:44:09 <nirik> we will be using that link more I suspect, so everyone get it ready. ;)
16:44:31 * thomasj directs thomasj to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_from_pre-release_to_final
16:44:43 <thomasj> yup still have it
16:44:43 <zcat> people have also been increasingly asking about putting the dvd on a usbkey, so i updated the wiki a little, and made a shorter anchor link
16:44:46 <Southern_Gentlem> adjusting my shortcut
16:44:53 <zcat> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB#dvd2usb
16:45:08 <Southern_Gentlem> unnetbootin?
16:45:16 <zcat> for now
16:45:50 <nirik> zcat: for f12 you can dd
16:45:57 <nirik> might add that in.
16:46:09 <zcat> nirik, the dd note is elsewhere on that page iirc
16:46:46 <Southern_Gentlem> like we oculd back in fc5
16:46:48 <nirik> yeah, small note. ;(
16:47:00 <zcat> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB#Direct_Copy
16:47:16 <nirik> yeah. ;(
16:48:07 <nirik> also, not sure which fedorasolved things will need updating, but might look thru those for f12 changes.
16:48:09 <Southern_Gentlem> 2: see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB#Direct_Copy
16:48:20 <Southern_Gentlem> 2: see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB#Direct_Copy
16:49:09 <Southern_Gentlem> /usb2dvd: see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB#Direct_Copy
16:49:11 <nirik> shall we look at doing another release day party in social? no idea how well that worked out last time... but a few people were there.
16:49:32 <Southern_Gentlem> i think we leave that up to the people in social
16:49:36 <XulWork> free beer?
16:49:42 <thomasj> free chat
16:49:46 <thomasj> ;P
16:49:59 <nirik> ha. :)
16:50:01 <Southern_Gentlem> XulWork,  cool you are shipping beer around the worls
16:50:04 <Southern_Gentlem> d
16:50:20 <nirik> also, when do we do our purge of the banlist? I can't recall, but we were going to do it the same time every cycle
16:50:23 * XulWork forgot that a suggestion == volunteer
16:50:35 <thomasj> eeww purge
16:50:49 <thomasj> There's a lot of ugly stuff banned
16:50:58 <zcat> yeah... purge everything but the root and freenode bans.
16:51:03 <Southern_Gentlem> do we want to purge the banlist this release
16:51:20 <thomasj> Maybe we can clean it up a bit
16:51:24 <zcat> it didn't get ugly in #fedora right after f11 had a clean ban slate, so i don't see why not
16:51:27 <nirik> yeah, I think there is some things that are good to keep and some old cruft... but it's hard to tell them apart.
16:51:28 <thomasj> Like zcat mentioned
16:51:49 * thomasj will recheck his bans
16:51:54 <nirik> wiping it seems good to me, then we can re-ban those repeat offenders.
16:52:04 <Southern_Gentlem> +1
16:52:10 <thomasj> +1
16:52:16 <zcat> +1
16:52:20 <nirik> when would we want to do that? soon?
16:52:40 <thomasj> IIRC we did it last time with Beta.. maybe sunday?
16:52:41 <zcat> midnight EDT the day of release?
16:52:49 <thomasj> or that
16:53:10 <zcat> er, that'd be the day before
16:53:18 <XulWork> we have perm bans too right?
16:53:37 <nirik> I'd be ok with just doing it now/soon... that would give a bit of time for those nasty ones to come back and get re-banned before release.
16:53:44 <thomasj> XulWork, everyone on the list (except fedbot bans) are permbans
16:53:45 <nirik> XulWork: yeah, there are some...
16:54:08 <Southern_Gentlem> XulWork,  we are clearing all the bans
16:54:14 <Southern_Gentlem> +1 nirik
16:54:26 <XulWork> would make sense to have different timed bans depeneding on offence
16:54:49 <nirik> XulWork: yeah, we do... but repeat offenders/very nasty things get perm bans after a while.
16:54:56 <XulWork> k
16:55:01 <Southern_Gentlem> XulWork,  usually its a repeat offender
16:55:14 <zcat> XulWork, the longest temporary fedbot bans (aliased) are 1 week, so anything longer than that was permbanned
16:55:20 <Southern_Gentlem> i motion that we clear the ban list now as suggested by niril
16:55:33 <XulWork> +1
16:55:35 <nirik> the vast majority of things are just a temp/short one. It takes a lot to get long bans. ;(
16:55:44 <nirik> +1 here...
16:55:46 <zcat> yep
16:55:57 <Southern_Gentlem> thomasj,
16:56:05 <nirik> Southern_Gentlem: you got it? or you want me to do it?
16:56:09 <thomasj> wait..
16:56:15 <Southern_Gentlem> i am in it now
16:56:19 <thomasj> Let me first make a copy of the bans
16:56:31 <nirik> thomasj: good idea.
16:56:42 <zcat> actually, looking at the banlist now, you can't really see ban history anymore, because freenode itself took 'em over
16:57:26 <zcat> nuke everything but *!?=root@*!##Dont-login-as-root
16:58:02 <thomasj> ok, got a copy
16:58:39 <nirik> zcat: +1
16:58:58 * XulWork is away, need to attend real life meeting
16:59:07 <nirik> ok, anything more on ban list/beta/release prep?
17:00:15 <nirik> shall we move along then?
17:00:21 <nirik> thanks for coming XulWork
17:00:21 <thomasj> +1
17:00:47 <Southern_Gentlem> done
17:01:01 <Southern_Gentlem> and of course it spammed the #fedora to hell
17:01:13 <Southern_Gentlem> but we have a copy there as well in our logs
17:01:14 <nirik> yeah, but oh well. ;)
17:01:50 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:02:02 <nirik> anyone have anything for open floor?
17:02:34 <fenris02> this mean we're going to support f12-beta in #fedora now rather than sending them to -qa ?
17:02:46 <nirik> I can't recall when we made the switch last time.
17:02:53 <nirik> I think it was closer to release... but I could be wrong.
17:03:02 <fenris02> shortly before f12's release, but i dont recall how 'shortly'
17:03:02 <thomasj> +1 IIRC the rc
17:03:19 <zcat> thomasj, i think you're right. was the first RC.
17:03:30 <fenris02> sounds fair.  what's the eta on rc1?
17:03:48 <nirik> 11-04 for compose rc
17:04:03 <thomasj> zcat, heh, means my brains serves well sometimes :)
17:04:08 <thomasj> *brain
17:04:16 <nirik> ok, shall we do the same this time? seemed to work ok.
17:04:23 <zcat> zombies on the brains
17:04:26 <thomasj> haha
17:04:40 <thomasj> nirik, +1
17:05:51 <fenris02> wfm
17:06:41 <nirik> any further issues for open floor? suggestions/comments/flames?
17:07:43 <thomasj> nothing here
17:07:56 <zcat> ditto
17:07:57 * nirik will close out the meeting in a few if nothing else comes up
17:08:45 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone!
17:08:52 <nirik> keep up the good work
17:08:57 <nirik> #endmeeting