05:01:45 <juhp> #startmeeting i18n 05:01:45 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 22 05:01:45 2010 UTC. The chair is juhp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:01:47 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 05:01:56 <juhp> welcome to the weekly i18n project meeting 05:02:34 <juhp> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-04-22 05:02:40 <juhp> is the agenda page 05:03:06 <juhp> #halp ;) 05:03:18 <juhp> who is here for the meeting? 05:03:53 <epico_laptop> hi 05:04:39 <juhp> hi epico_laptop 05:08:36 <juhp> ping tagoh, paragan, pravins, fujiwarat, et al 05:08:45 <fujiwarat> hi 05:09:03 <phuang> hi 05:09:08 <juhp> hi 05:09:11 <fujiwarat> juhp: it would be lunch time :). 05:09:23 <juhp> yeah.. 05:09:35 <pravins> hi 05:09:45 <juhp> alright let's begin 05:09:54 <paragan> hi 05:10:23 <juhp> #topic scm-commits mails 05:11:32 <juhp> hmm this is kind of a long standing issue and I still hadn't worked out who to fix 05:12:13 <juhp> actually I am a little confused 05:12:22 <juhp> epico_laptop prompt it up again recently 05:13:08 * epico_laptop just begin to receive it. :) 05:15:13 <tagoh3> hi 05:17:36 <juhp> so pseudo-users have watchcommits set in pkgdb which bounces from mailman 05:17:51 <juhp> tagoh3: you had an idea to fix it on the mailman side? 05:18:23 <juhp> though we were talking if it is better not to give watchcommits to pseudousers by default 05:18:35 <tagoh3> juhp: maybe - to stop mails completely 05:18:49 <juhp> I had meant to follow up on that with infrastructure but didn't get round tuit 05:19:06 <tagoh3> juhp: but yeah, turning off watchcommits in pkgdb would be ideal rather than doing it. 05:19:54 <juhp> we can certainly do that retroactively, but don't really want to have to (remember to) do that for every new package added 05:20:21 <tagoh3> no way of changing the default in FAS? 05:25:05 <juhp> not currently 05:25:26 <tagoh3> juhp: thanks for asking :) 05:25:38 <juhp> yeah discussing now... 05:26:06 <juhp> alright let's move on 05:26:25 <juhp> #topic splitting meeting into fonts/rendering and IM/other? 05:27:01 <juhp> been thinking a bit about how to get more focus in the meetings 05:27:26 <juhp> earlier we had fonts and IM submeetings 05:27:49 <juhp> thinking again if it might be good to split off a rendering/fonts meeting 05:28:10 <juhp> to give more time for that - since we spend quite a lot of time on fonts/rendering issues 05:33:36 <pravins> i think fonts and rendering go together 05:33:44 <pravins> s/go/can go 05:35:58 <juhp> i tried asking nim-nim about having a fonts sig meeting 05:36:38 <juhp> but didn't get a answer yet 05:36:44 <tagoh3> aha 05:37:37 <juhp> well there is nothing to stop us from organizing a regular "Fonts SIG" meeting anyway official or "unofficial" I suppose - whether nim is able to attend is probably a different matter 05:39:56 <juhp> so assuming he can't attend for the moment I think tagoh3 could lead the rendering/fonts meet for us 05:40:18 <juhp> under the i18n project 05:40:37 <juhp> well guess rendering is kind of outside of Fonts scope anyway :) 05:40:49 <juhp> i18n leads Asian fonts side anyway 05:41:07 <tagoh3> right 05:41:20 <juhp> though it would be nice to have a regular Fonts SIG meeting too - monthly at least 05:41:38 <juhp> though we are not doing to badly with email/bugzilla... 05:41:57 <juhp> tagoh3: so probably have to think on best day - maybe Wed's? 05:42:53 <tagoh3> juhp: sure. sounds good to me 05:43:14 <juhp> then we would defer all fonts/rendering topics to the fonts meeting afap and keep this meeting for other/general fedora i18n discussion 05:43:25 <juhp> ok 05:47:30 <juhp> pravins: yeah 05:47:42 <juhp> any other comments or thoughts? 05:48:06 <juhp> paragan: ? 05:48:24 <juhp> otherwise we can move on 05:48:27 <juhp> to f13 05:48:28 <pravins> yep 05:48:35 <juhp> okay 05:48:46 <juhp> sorry bit of multitasking today... 05:48:56 <juhp> #topic F13 05:49:19 <paragan> np 05:49:41 * juhp listens to the cars piling into each other in the T-junction outside the office 05:49:56 <juhp> no blocker bugs 05:50:04 <juhp> at least when I looked earlier ;) 05:51:13 <juhp> epico_laptop: so ibus-handwrite still requires zinnia or not? 05:51:27 <juhp> bit confused by the comments in the zinnia-tomoe review 05:51:43 <juhp> and the general sidetracking about noarch/arch :-( 05:52:46 <epico_laptop> we tested the newest version of ibus-handwrite, its result is not good, visible lower than zinnia. 05:53:12 <epico_laptop> ibus-handwrite doesn't requires zinnia-tomoe now, but has lower correction rate. 05:53:19 <juhp> hmm 05:53:28 <juhp> ah optional or gone?? 05:53:58 <epico_laptop> and in new version, the zinnia backend is gone I guess, not confirmed with the author. 05:54:06 <juhp> all the other target bugs are basically related to fonts .conf with binding="same" 05:57:17 <juhp_> anyway 05:57:39 <juhp_> silly network keeps closing our external connections here recently :( 05:58:18 <juhp_> epico_laptop: so they dropped zinnia support? 05:58:27 <epico_laptop> yes, I guess so. 05:58:36 <juhp_> why? :) 05:59:36 <juhp> hmm 05:59:48 <juhp> epico_laptop: we could ship earlier version? 06:00:16 <epico_laptop> handrecog_zinnia.c is gone from tar ball. 06:00:19 <epico_laptop> yes. 06:00:33 <juhp> epico_laptop: how about asking why? 06:00:44 <epico_laptop> I will ask him later. 06:00:45 <juhp> who is the author again? 06:00:47 <juhp> thanks 06:00:59 <epico_laptop> microcai 06:01:02 <epico_laptop> welcome. 06:01:20 <juhp> I see 06:02:47 <juhp> any other F13 bugs to highlight 06:03:34 <juhp> tagoh: you mentioned elsewhere some changes in behaviour after dropping binding="same" 06:03:49 <juhp> or should we wait for your comments in bz 06:04:01 <juhp> bit curious what kind of problems or changes you saw 06:06:41 <pravins> tagoh: thanks for your comment in bugzilla 06:06:48 <pravins> it really going to help lot 06:07:02 <pravins> i built mine all packages for binding=same 06:07:34 <juhp> pravins: any change? 06:07:49 <juhp> ah tagoh3 06:08:50 <juhp> anyway 06:09:33 <juhp> are there any other bugs we want to promote to target? 06:12:34 <pravins> juhp: not much 06:13:12 * pravins waiting for one karma for each package, to get it into stable update for f13 06:14:07 <juhp> pravins: yeah might be good to push them all together even 06:14:20 <juhp> pravins: <pravins> tagoh: thanks for your comment in bugzilla 06:14:27 <juhp> was asking about this comment 06:14:54 <juhp> well think that is enough for today 06:14:54 <pravins> aha, yeah he has tested package and given commented there 06:15:05 <juhp> pravins: and the comment was? 06:15:09 <pravins> :) 06:15:25 <pravins> on fontconfig tests 06:15:29 <juhp> lol 06:15:32 <pravins> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578030#c4 06:16:42 <juhp> thanks 06:16:55 <juhp> pravins: so just issue of as vs bn? 06:17:27 <pravins> hmm 06:17:46 <tagoh3> juhp: not really. implicit font selection etc 06:17:54 <pravins> need to do some changes in fonts as well in orth file may be 06:18:22 <pravins> for getting proper distinguish in between bengali and assamese language 06:18:47 <juhp> ok 06:19:03 <juhp> tagoh3: more issues? 06:21:21 <tagoh3> juhp: priority issue and.. 06:21:25 <juhp> anyway guess we will finish the meeting here 06:21:27 <juhp> aha 06:21:49 <juhp> tagoh3: would be nice to see a summary or something 06:22:17 <juhp> so I am guessing they are not regressions but things that were hidden before with binding=same? 06:22:29 <juhp> or ? 06:22:45 <tagoh3> juhp: it's not side effects at all but separate issues from this. 06:24:06 <juhp> right 06:24:08 <juhp> cool 06:24:20 <juhp> that is what I wanted to hear :) 06:25:06 <juhp> thanks for the meeting everyone! 06:25:32 <juhp> #endmeeting