20:02:42 <liknus> #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors Meeting 2010-09-29
20:02:42 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Sep 29 20:02:42 2010 UTC.  The chair is liknus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:02:53 <liknus> Warm welcome to our today's meeting!
20:03:05 <liknus> Our agenda can be found here :
20:03:24 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2010-09-29
20:03:31 <liknus> so lets start with our rollcall
20:03:35 <liknus> #topic RollCall
20:03:39 <liknus> .fas ppapadeas
20:03:39 <zodbot> liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com>
20:03:42 <dmaphy> .fas dmaphy
20:03:43 <zodbot> dmaphy: dmaphy 'Dominic Hopf' <dmaphy@gmail.com>
20:03:47 <cwickert> .das cwickert
20:03:51 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
20:03:51 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
20:03:52 <biertie> .fas biertie
20:03:55 <zodbot> biertie: biertie 'Bert Desmet' <bert@devnox.be>
20:04:01 <sspreitzer> .fas sspreitzer
20:04:02 <zodbot> sspreitzer: sspreitzer 'Sascha Thomas Spreitzer' <sascha@spreitzer.name>
20:04:22 <bubeck> ping till bubeck
20:04:45 <rsc> Robert Scheck
20:04:55 <liknus> ok lets quickly move to our Announcements
20:04:59 <liknus> #topic Announcements
20:05:19 <liknus> kital, is not here I guess
20:05:29 <liknus> Does anyone want to announce something?
20:06:04 <liknus> ok I take this as a no
20:06:12 <liknus> so moving on to our next topic
20:06:16 <dmaphy> not sure if OpenRheinRuhr was already announced?
20:06:17 <liknus> #topic Ambassadors Schedule and regional tasks.
20:06:33 <Southern_Gentlem> f14B has been released
20:06:34 <liknus> dmaphy, please enlighten us
20:06:59 <liknus> Southern_Gentlem, I guess it is all over our mailing lists, but thanks for mentioning it :)
20:07:19 <dmaphy> OpenRheinRuhr will take place on 13th and 14th of November
20:07:41 <dmaphy> it's the second time this event takes place, this time in Oberhausen, Germany
20:08:06 <dmaphy> of course, anyone interested in free software stuff and so on is invited to come there
20:08:17 <heffer> hey guys. i'm sorry but i think i will be unable to actively attend this meeting today due to personal reasons (don't be afraid, it's nothing serious). but i'll promise to comment on the meeting log tomorrow.
20:08:38 <liknus> dmaphy, it is already on the Events page and we could discuss it later,, but i guess thats ok
20:08:45 <liknus> heffer, no worries :) take care
20:08:58 <dmaphy> yep :)
20:08:58 <liknus> so lets focus on the schedule
20:09:11 <cwickert> !
20:09:27 <liknus> As many of you might heard the Ambassadors project within Fedora has it's own release-bind schedule
20:09:38 <liknus> That can be found here :http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:09:43 <liknus> cwickert, go ahead
20:09:53 <liknus> #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:10:14 <cwickert> we are already late with the media. we had to tell the design team what we need by monday
20:10:41 <cwickert> but i don't think this is a big problem because they will do the default artwork anyway
20:10:46 <liknus> cwickert, can you take that action?
20:11:03 <liknus> or shall i take it? (I am on design team also)
20:11:04 <cwickert> and at FUDCon Zurich Mo said, she is not going to do any special media
20:11:08 <cwickert> so we are on our own
20:11:23 <sspreitzer> !
20:11:34 <cwickert> but we already did that in the F13 cycle, we just take the sleeves that are available and change them if necessary
20:11:45 * liknus noted sspreitzer
20:11:48 <constanton> .fas constanton
20:11:49 <zodbot> constanton: constanton 'Konstantinos Antonakoglou' <anton.cost@gmail.com>
20:12:02 <cwickert> so nothing to worry IMHO, we first need to discuss what we need and then go ahead
20:12:10 <cwickert> and yes, I can take this over
20:12:10 <cwickert> eof
20:12:19 <liknus> cwickert, you are right.. I can do that by Monday if we decide what..
20:12:24 <liknus> so:
20:12:43 <liknus> #action liknus designs the sleeves for media decided by EMEA region
20:12:49 <comzeradd> .fas comzeradd
20:12:49 <zodbot> comzeradd: comzeradd 'Nikos Roussos' <nikos@autoverse.net>
20:12:49 <liknus> sspreitzer,
20:12:58 <sspreitzer> thanks
20:13:04 <sspreitzer> hello ambassadors
20:13:18 <sspreitzer> regarding what mo said
20:13:22 * liknus waves back :)
20:13:30 <sspreitzer> I feel this is not the final word
20:13:49 <sspreitzer> since imho diversity is major in opensource
20:14:01 <cwickert> sspreitzer, ignore what Mo said, we will find someone to do the artwork
20:14:08 <sspreitzer> and for this sake we should make some nasty looking spin covers
20:14:15 <sspreitzer> just my opinion
20:14:16 <sspreitzer> eof
20:14:16 <liknus> sspreitzer, in either case I took the action and will try not to bother other members of design team
20:14:31 <liknus> All in favor to that?
20:14:33 <cwickert> +1 liknus
20:14:49 <constanton> +1
20:15:08 <comzeradd> +1
20:15:17 <dmaphy> +1
20:15:22 <liknus> ok lets now see what other scheduled tasks we have
20:15:30 * liknus looking on the schedule
20:16:13 <liknus> Ok so, it seems we need to hurry on the Release Events planning
20:16:37 <liknus> Someone needs to write a nice announcement and make the wiki ready for submitting
20:16:53 <liknus> (just coping the F13 Release Planning pages)
20:17:07 <liknus> Anyone volunteering on that?
20:17:24 <liknus> I guess I can also facilitate that :)
20:17:57 <liknus> #action liknus writes an announcement calling for EMEA release parties and makes related pages on the wiki
20:18:06 <liknus> everyone ok with that action?
20:18:12 <dmaphy> +1
20:18:16 <constanton> +1
20:18:36 <cwickert> !+1
20:18:38 <comzeradd> +1
20:18:46 <liknus> cwickert, go ahead my friend :)
20:18:46 <biertie> +1
20:19:11 * cwickert just wants to note that the schedule is not realistic
20:19:27 <liknus> cwickert, I aknowledge that
20:19:53 <comzeradd> ?
20:19:55 * sspreitzer just a schedule, not doomsday
20:20:00 <liknus> and passing to the next item (planning on shipments of swag for Release Parties) i guess it is too early for that
20:20:11 <liknus> so right now we are ok
20:20:38 <liknus> and also we need to stress those out of order and time items so that the next schedule will be ok
20:21:09 <liknus> I suggest seeing how it goes with this one and by the GA we will know what needs to be changed
20:21:11 <liknus> ok?
20:21:24 * liknus saw comzeradd
20:22:00 <liknus> comzeradd, go ahead
20:22:09 <comzeradd> liknus, about the release events wiki page. you mean something like that? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_events
20:22:33 <liknus> yeap comzeradd just like this
20:22:38 <comzeradd> ok. so i suppose i can do that
20:23:04 <liknus> there is already one:
20:23:06 <liknus> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_release_events
20:23:23 <liknus> but need to be cleared up and be more attractive :)
20:23:30 <liknus> comzeradd, can you look to it
20:23:30 <liknus> ?
20:23:36 <comzeradd> ok :)
20:23:44 <liknus> #action comzeradd freshen up the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_release_events
20:23:50 <liknus> thanks comzeradd
20:24:05 <liknus> If everyone is ok I suggest we move to our next item
20:24:16 <liknus> (15' reached on this one)
20:24:23 <cwickert> !
20:24:45 * liknus reminds of the new IRC meeting protocol (15' each subject and vote on continuing)
20:24:48 <liknus> cwickert,
20:25:13 <cwickert> I think the wiki page is ok, all we really need is a message to the mailing lists, maybe even to fedora-announce to get more people to participate
20:25:14 <cwickert> eof
20:25:39 <liknus> cwickert, thats why I called freshen up :) And I will write the announcement :)
20:25:49 <liknus> thanks anyway :)
20:25:56 <liknus> So moving on,
20:26:13 <liknus> #topic F14 Media production
20:26:37 <liknus> cwickert, send this email earlier outlining some core suggestions and principles
20:26:46 <liknus> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-September/015636.html
20:26:59 <liknus> cwickert, the floor is yours (or shall I go through the mail ? )
20:27:33 <cwickert> I suggest to wait until everybody has read the mail
20:27:42 <cwickert> and then continue with the questions I raised
20:27:44 <liknus> cwickert, _1
20:27:51 <liknus> +1 I ment :)
20:28:09 <constanton> yeah, i think that's better too +1
20:28:12 * dmaphy is just reading the mail
20:28:22 <liknus> please everyone write +1 when you went through the mail
20:29:14 <comzeradd> +1
20:29:15 <liknus> +1 for me
20:29:25 <dmaphy> the xfce spins actually were a success, just by the way
20:29:47 <cwickert> ok, everybody finished? any questions to what I wrote?
20:30:24 <bubeck> +1
20:30:29 <cwickert> dmaphy, indeed, the Xfce spin media were a success, but I hoped that the Xfce people would help us distribute them on events that we did not attend
20:30:49 <liknus> no questions for me... the thing is who gets to be the Media Wrangler this time
20:30:55 <cwickert> dmaphy, unfortunately that did not happen, only a few at FROSCon
20:31:25 <dmaphy> maybe we can organize this a bit better for the next release?
20:31:35 <cwickert> liknus, I suggest to stick with the person for another cycle
20:31:38 <dmaphy> or don't they like the spin that much?
20:31:49 <liknus> sspreitzer, are you ok with that?
20:31:55 <cwickert> dmaphy, one question at a time...
20:32:08 <liknus> dmaphy, please respect meeting protocol
20:32:13 <sspreitzer> liknus, as long as I get the support which I definitly need
20:32:20 <dmaphy> sorry
20:32:39 <sspreitzer> !
20:32:49 <liknus> sspreitzer, so you think that cwickert's suggestions can be followed?
20:33:19 <sspreitzer> before I answer the question I need to get some of my questions answered
20:33:24 <cwickert> how about first dealing with the process and then with the persons to do it?
20:33:39 <liknus> cwickert, +1
20:33:48 <liknus> any questions or remarks on the process?
20:33:53 <liknus> Shall I start?
20:33:55 <cwickert> liknus, you raised that question ;)
20:34:00 <cwickert> let me take over please
20:34:00 <sspreitzer> !
20:34:06 <liknus> go ahead
20:34:14 <cwickert> 1. How much money can we spend?
20:34:25 <cwickert> I have opened a FAMSCO ticket, waiting for response
20:34:37 <cwickert> 2. Should we reserve a special amount of media for Africa again?
20:34:40 <liknus> #action cwickert reports back the budget on media
20:34:49 <liknus> I guess we should :)
20:34:52 <cwickert> +1
20:35:15 <cwickert> more opinions?
20:35:36 <sspreitzer> !
20:35:40 <dmaphy> +1
20:35:45 <constanton> +1
20:35:45 <cwickert> we had 6000 media in total and managed to ship 1000 to africa
20:35:45 <comzeradd> +1
20:35:51 <cwickert> sspreitzer, yes please
20:35:55 <liknus> sspreitzer, on that..
20:36:15 <sspreitzer> I think we should grow the amount, to fit a growing Fedora in EMEA
20:36:26 <sspreitzer> eof
20:36:37 <liknus> sspreitzer, we are talkign about the Africa not the whole ammount
20:36:37 <cwickert> sspreitzer, which amount? total or Africa?
20:36:49 <sspreitzer> the total
20:36:53 <sspreitzer> :)
20:36:59 <cwickert> sspreitzer, this is not on us to decide
20:37:08 <cwickert> please add your request to the ticket i filed
20:37:21 <cwickert> #agreed to reserve a special amount of media for Africa
20:37:35 <cwickert> liknus, did meetbot get this?
20:37:36 <liknus> #action sspreitzer adds question on quantity on Famsco ticket
20:37:44 <liknus> cwickert, yeap it is ok :)
20:37:46 <cwickert> ok
20:37:57 <liknus> cwickert, go ahead
20:37:58 <cwickert> 3. Given that we have the same budget as in the F13 cycle, should we go with the same numbers again?
20:38:28 <cwickert> previous numbers can be found here
20:38:29 <liknus> (or in case that number changes, shall we go proportionally ?)
20:38:30 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Media_production#EMEA_2
20:38:55 <dmaphy> +1
20:39:05 <liknus> I believe stick to it and if there are changes then we shall change proportionally..
20:39:09 <liknus> +1
20:39:11 <dmaphy> if we get more budget, there should be more media then, yes
20:39:30 <cwickert> One thing I'd like to add is that we are already out of Desktop live media
20:39:33 <comzeradd> +1 (seems ok to me)
20:39:38 <cwickert> so we could do more GNOME
20:39:46 <cwickert> but generally I'm +1
20:39:52 <constanton> +1
20:40:02 <cwickert> #agreed to use the same quantities as in the F13 cycle
20:40:16 <cwickert> 4. Should we do LXDE and Xfce again?
20:40:22 <liknus> #undo
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20:40:24 <dmaphy> +1
20:40:30 <dmaphy> absolutely
20:40:33 <liknus> #agreed same numbers of media with a little bit to Gnome Live, as in F13 cycle
20:40:57 <liknus> +1 this is also a consequence to the last action item :)
20:41:04 <comzeradd> +1
20:41:08 <liknus> same number = XFCE and LXDE again :)
20:41:20 <cwickert> sspreitzer, what was the exact price for Xfce and LXDE? were they more expensive due to the small batch?
20:41:32 <sspreitzer> one second
20:42:05 <sspreitzer> #link http://sspreitzer.fedorapeople.org/mediaquotes/F13/Angebot_final.pdf
20:43:00 <cwickert> hmm, they are really expensive
20:43:12 <liknus> As far as I can see it is not so much difference
20:43:14 <sspreitzer> cwickert, they have been cheaper then gnome live
20:43:14 <cwickert> 420 EUR for 500 compared to 470 for 1000 GNOME
20:43:15 <sspreitzer> lol
20:43:39 <liknus> oh.. this is indeed a difference... sorry
20:44:03 <cwickert> maybe we should just do MORE?
20:44:13 <sspreitzer> oh true
20:44:17 <sspreitzer> why not?
20:44:25 <cwickert> is we do 1000, we get printed sleeves and only 50 EUR more for twice the amount of media?
20:44:26 <liknus> that means that because we want XFCE and LXDE we must make it 1000
20:44:33 <liknus> (it is the same yeag)
20:44:56 <cwickert> I think we can still discuss this detail later, but we agreed to do Xfce and LXDE again, right?
20:45:10 <cwickert> +1 for me obviously ;)
20:45:11 <sspreitzer> !
20:45:19 <liknus> +1
20:45:20 <liknus> sspreitzer,
20:45:20 <cwickert> sspreitzer, go ahead
20:45:25 <dmaphy> +1
20:45:28 <constanton> +1
20:45:51 <sspreitzer> just want to point out that the pricing is mainly a negotiation and order amount thing
20:45:59 <liknus> Everyone : we just passed 15' talking on media.. shall we continue?
20:46:02 <liknus> +1 for me
20:46:06 <comzeradd> +1
20:46:08 <sspreitzer> nothing we can decide here without quotes or budget
20:46:08 <dmaphy> +1
20:46:12 <cwickert> sspreitzer, that's why I  said that we figure out the details later
20:46:12 <sspreitzer> eof
20:46:19 <liknus> sspreitzer, we are just giving some pointers
20:46:21 <cwickert> +1 to continue
20:46:27 <cwickert> #agreed will do LXDE and Xfce spins media again for F14
20:46:33 <liknus> #agreed continue discussing on media
20:47:00 <cwickert> 5. Should we revisit the media process again?
20:47:20 <sspreitzer> !
20:47:22 <liknus> -1 for me.. fine tuning and it will be ok
20:47:23 <liknus> sspreitzer,
20:47:48 <sspreitzer> I think as we are improving every release, we should try to make the process better everytime :)
20:47:49 <dmaphy> -1 for me too, seems to be nearly perfect
20:47:50 <sspreitzer> thus +1
20:48:02 <sspreitzer> eof
20:48:19 <cwickert> I would like to see one person doing more than just placing the order: taking care of the deadlines, nagging people, writing mail and all this
20:48:34 <sspreitzer> !
20:48:35 <cwickert> but I guess this just takes too much time for a single person
20:49:08 <liknus> I will be the schedule keeper
20:49:17 <cwickert> ok then, fine
20:49:18 <liknus> As I said on the Ambassadors barcamp
20:49:20 <liknus> :)
20:49:27 <cwickert> sspreitzer, anything from your side?
20:49:29 <liknus> Get ready for some nudges :)
20:49:30 <liknus> sspreitzer,
20:49:35 <cwickert> liknus, :)
20:49:46 <sspreitzer> we have Mr Poelstra for the project planning and timelines
20:49:51 <sspreitzer> we have a lot of ambassadors
20:50:05 <liknus> sspreitzer, he is just making the schedule
20:50:06 <cwickert> sspreitzer, but he has no clue about the ambassadors, his schedule is unrealistic
20:50:17 <sspreitzer> and from my experience I feel that this is not able to be done by solely one person
20:50:32 <liknus> sspreitzer, it is done in other subprojects of fedora
20:50:40 <cwickert> we need one person responsible, but liknus already volunteered
20:50:46 <sspreitzer> thank yoyu very much heffer and cwickert for your help at the F13 media
20:50:50 <sspreitzer> it was great!
20:50:53 <liknus> we cannot have >1 nudging around :)
20:50:54 <sspreitzer> eof
20:51:03 <cwickert> #agreed to keep the current media process and fine tune it a little
20:51:19 <cwickert> 6. How can we speed up the process in order to have media already for release events?
20:51:26 <liknus> #agreed to have liknus nudging and timekeeping
20:51:43 <cwickert> I think we just need to have everything prepared, the order placed and the artwork done
20:51:58 <liknus> and then wait for GA?
20:52:02 <cwickert> and when the images come out, the company needs to burn burn burn ;)
20:52:22 <liknus> sspreitzer, is that possible? to place the order and give the images in retrospect?
20:52:25 <cwickert> sspreitzer, can you ask them if it is possible to speed things up?
20:52:40 <sspreitzer> erm, how do you mean?
20:52:49 <sspreitzer> doing work before contract or money?
20:52:52 <cwickert> no
20:52:57 <liknus> place the order and give them the artwork before GA
20:52:58 <cwickert> make the contract earlier
20:53:03 <cwickert> make the artwork earlier
20:53:08 <sspreitzer> sure we can do
20:53:10 <cwickert> and only wait for the iso imanges
20:53:21 <sspreitzer> we could even give them the ISOs before
20:53:33 <sspreitzer> *if they would be final
20:53:37 <cwickert> sspreitzer, #action sspreitzer to ask media company how to speed up the production and report back to us
20:53:42 <liknus> sspreitzer, we dont have ISO before GA :)
20:53:44 <cwickert> #action sspreitzer to ask media company how to speed up the production and report back to us
20:53:44 <sspreitzer> erm
20:53:50 <sspreitzer> I can report on this now
20:53:58 <sspreitzer> i spoke with them about that
20:53:59 <liknus> #undo
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20:54:08 <cwickert> #action cwickert to ask rel-eng if we can get the images before GA
20:54:15 <sspreitzer> we can delive the artwork before
20:54:22 <liknus> cwickert, quite impossible
20:54:30 <sspreitzer> but they need ISO+artwork to start the production
20:54:36 <liknus> sspreitzer, I will make sure it happens (artwork)
20:54:37 <cwickert> liknus, usually they are available one week in advance
20:54:47 <sspreitzer> usually they fix certain issues on the artwork
20:54:58 <sspreitzer> like RGB->YMCK convert, etc...
20:55:02 <liknus> cwickert, they are.. but officially they will not give it :)
20:55:17 <cwickert> sspreitzer, that's why should ask how to speed things up or do the artwork in advance
20:55:22 <liknus> #action liknus mails artwork to sspreitzer before GA
20:55:24 <cwickert> liknus, sure, I will ask
20:55:40 <cwickert> ok, all action items noted?
20:55:49 <liknus> yeap :)
20:55:54 <cwickert> 7. Can we optimize the media distribution?
20:55:55 <liknus> anything else on media?
20:55:58 <liknus> ok ncie :)
20:56:15 <liknus> -1 for me.. primary anchors and events seems ok
20:56:27 <sspreitzer> !
20:56:35 <liknus> primary shipment paid by RedHat and then ok
20:56:36 <liknus> sspreitzer,
20:56:44 <cwickert> +1 for anchors, but only one for each country
20:56:51 <cwickert> we now have 3 in Germany
20:56:56 <cwickert> and we all have different media
20:56:58 <sspreitzer> I will not be shipping any media again for Fedora, as I did with F13
20:57:03 <sspreitzer> simply by the lack of time
20:57:07 <liknus> only Germans could do that (just a joke)
20:57:09 <cwickert> one has to much of this, other have to much of that
20:57:26 <sspreitzer> I can order the media company to send it to distribution ambassadors
20:57:45 <liknus> sspreitzer, ok so primary done by company?
20:57:57 <sspreitzer> primary as of 1-3 shippings
20:58:06 <cwickert> this might speed things up
20:58:13 <liknus> ok so we need to make the list of primary points
20:58:21 <cwickert> +1
20:58:21 <liknus> cwickert, can you do that before GA?
20:58:29 <liknus> so we can make it happen more quickly..
20:58:38 <cwickert> liknus, your job, you just volunteered :P
20:58:40 <sspreitzer> great
20:58:55 <sspreitzer> please provide the mail/postage addresses of those ambassadors to me
20:59:03 <cwickert> count me in sspreitzer
20:59:06 <liknus> #agreed liknus makes a list of 3-4 primary shipments before GA fort the media company
20:59:15 <sspreitzer> no!
20:59:22 <sspreitzer> I wrote 1-3 shippings
20:59:31 <liknus> can we not make it 5
20:59:41 <liknus> so we will have the primary done
20:59:43 <sspreitzer> we can, but its expensive
20:59:46 <liknus> and even pay for it
20:59:52 <sspreitzer> because they send UPS
20:59:58 <sspreitzer> and germany only
20:59:59 <liknus> more expensive than doing it by our own?
21:00:04 <liknus> germany only?
21:00:09 <sspreitzer> yep
21:00:21 <liknus> so it has to be done to 1 person and *then* the primary shipment
21:00:22 <cwickert> ok, then we need one key person in Germany
21:00:29 <sspreitzer> and I do not have the time to handle shipping in future
21:00:29 <liknus> cwickert, seems like you :)
21:00:46 <cwickert> liknus, I'm moving and will likely be in Switzerland already
21:00:56 <liknus> Oh yes! i forgot
21:00:57 <cwickert> if not, I will do it
21:01:04 <cwickert> we *will* find somebody
21:01:13 <liknus> so... ask on fedora-de?
21:01:14 <sspreitzer> we cant ship to switzerland this huge amount
21:01:20 <sspreitzer> we would have to declare customs
21:01:30 <cwickert> sspreitzer, but postage in switzerland is important
21:01:34 <sspreitzer> CH is not EU
21:01:40 <cwickert> s/important/expensive
21:01:41 <liknus> no customs between EU and Sw i believe but thats ok
21:01:46 <sspreitzer> thus -> customs
21:01:46 <cwickert> and customs sucks
21:01:55 <cwickert> we need somebody in Germany
21:02:04 <sspreitzer> yerp
21:02:12 <liknus> cwickert, plz find one through fedora-de ok?
21:02:23 <cwickert> liknus, ok
21:02:28 <cwickert> sspreitzer, I suggest you first collect the adresses, no matter who does the shipping
21:02:34 <cwickert> ok for you, sspreitzer?
21:02:38 <liknus> #action cwickert finds the delivery point/man in Germany
21:02:46 <sspreitzer> cwickert, no
21:02:52 <sspreitzer> no time to do this, soryy
21:02:55 <liknus> cwickert, I will collect it
21:03:03 <liknus> and pass it to the "guy"
21:03:05 <cwickert> sspreitzer, you just said "send the adresses to me"?!
21:03:12 <sspreitzer> please provide me the addresses, I will order the shippings, ,thanks
21:03:22 <cwickert> thats what I was suggesting
21:03:31 <liknus> you are talking for the "1" shipment
21:03:32 <sspreitzer> oh, then its all ok :)
21:03:38 <liknus> guys guys
21:03:45 <cwickert> sorryy, I'm confused now. what exactly is the status??
21:04:02 <liknus> let me state ir
21:04:05 <liknus> it*
21:04:10 <sspreitzer> <cwickert> sspreitzer, I suggest you first collect the adresses, no matter who does the shipping <-
21:04:15 <sspreitzer> which ones adresses?
21:04:25 <liknus> sspreitzer, orders media and commands the media company to ship them to ONE in Germany
21:04:31 <cwickert> the adresses of people that volunteer
21:04:34 <sspreitzer> liknus, +1
21:04:38 <cwickert> liknus will provide them
21:04:52 <liknus> liknus, gives this ONE the addresses of primary shipments and then primary is done by ONE
21:04:53 <liknus> ok?
21:05:00 <cwickert> +1
21:05:12 <sspreitzer> +1
21:05:16 <liknus> how nice :)
21:05:20 <sspreitzer> :)
21:05:26 <cwickert> ok, that's all on media
21:05:33 <liknus> #agreed sspreitzer, orders media and commands the media company to ship them to ONE in Germany and then liknus, gives this ONE the addresses of primary shipments and then primary is done by ONE
21:05:38 * cwickert hands the microphone back to liknus
21:05:54 <liknus> thanks cwickert for that (and sspreitzer ) it was very productive!
21:05:58 <liknus> so moving on
21:05:59 <cwickert> +1
21:06:13 <liknus> #topic Events#EMEA-FY11Q3
21:06:23 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#EMEA-FY11Q3
21:06:36 <liknus> we are going to have a major event here in Greece
21:06:42 <liknus> Athens Digital Week :)
21:06:53 <liknus> We are(and going to be) full of swag :)
21:07:07 <liknus> get ready for some AWESOMEness done in Fedora-style :)
21:07:16 <sspreitzer> ?
21:07:18 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AthensDigitalWeek2010
21:07:19 <liknus> sspreitzer,
21:07:44 <sspreitzer> I did send a lot of media to you liknus, I wonder what the status is today?
21:07:55 <liknus> I got them 2 days ago!
21:08:02 <sspreitzer> cool :)
21:08:02 <liknus> sorry for not letting you know
21:08:06 <sspreitzer> np
21:08:07 <sspreitzer> eof
21:08:09 <cwickert> !
21:08:11 <liknus> apparently there was a problem with the customs..
21:08:12 <liknus> :P
21:08:14 <liknus> cwickert,
21:08:40 <cwickert> site note: I suggest to leave the tickets open and ask the reporter to close them when the media arrive
21:08:41 <cwickert> eof
21:08:59 <liknus> cwickert, we need to note that to the Trac
21:09:07 <cwickert> will do
21:09:09 <liknus> anyone volunteering?
21:09:28 <liknus> or on the wiki
21:09:40 <cwickert> me will do it
21:10:19 <liknus> thanks cwickert
21:10:42 <liknus> #action cwickert notes on the wiki/trac to close shipment tickets when done by the recepient :)
21:10:52 <liknus> moving on to other events
21:11:06 <liknus> the only one closing is zoltanh7211 's
21:11:15 <liknus> anything on that zoltanh7211 ?
21:11:18 <dmaphy> !
21:11:40 <liknus> i guess zoltanh7211 is not here
21:11:41 <liknus> dmaphy,
21:11:48 <zoltanh7211> !
21:11:53 <zoltanh7211> sorry guys
21:11:55 <zoltanh7211> I'm late
21:12:04 <dmaphy> ok, zoltanh7211's turn first
21:12:16 <liknus> zoltanh7211,
21:12:32 <zoltanh7211> I have managed to have 2 talks at Szeged, one is by me about spins
21:12:56 <zoltanh7211> another is about professional enterprise apps by rsc
21:13:19 <zoltanh7211> we got small booth, food, and free praking slot
21:13:29 <zoltanh7211> praking/parking
21:14:10 <liknus> nice zoltanh7211 :) waiting on review and photos!
21:14:17 <liknus> anything else?
21:14:23 <zoltanh7211> Robert will overnight at here in my room, also we hope that we could arrange the OSSMath Spin
21:14:34 <zoltanh7211> EOF
21:14:46 <liknus> thanks zoltanh7211 ! goodluck with that!
21:14:48 <liknus> dmaphy,
21:15:50 <dmaphy> as previously mentioned in the beginning of the meeting OpenRheinRuhr will take place on 13th and 14th of november
21:16:13 <dmaphy> i'd personally consider this as a major event here in Germany
21:16:27 <sspreitzer> ?
21:16:34 <dmaphy> event owner is Julian, not here this evening
21:16:35 * liknus noted sspreitzer
21:17:31 <liknus> dmaphy, do you need something on the evemt?
21:17:42 <dmaphy> well, i'd like this event to be noted by everyone anyway, Julian needs support at the booth and with organizing and so on, not sure if he already opened tickets for media and so on
21:18:23 <liknus> he should so :)
21:18:37 <dmaphy> it's right a week after the F14 release, so an interesting question from my side is: will we already have F14 media there?
21:18:48 <sspreitzer> !
21:19:04 <dmaphy> sspreitzer, please :)
21:19:04 * sspreitzer can answer that question
21:19:38 <sspreitzer> If we would have the artwork+budget+ISO+quote negotiation done by release date
21:19:52 <sspreitzer> even one week is very close
21:20:03 <sspreitzer> unlikely able to happen
21:20:23 <sspreitzer> :|
21:20:24 <sspreitzer> eof
21:20:44 <liknus> thanks sspreitzer
21:20:51 <liknus> anything eles dmaphy ?
21:20:58 <liknus> please write eof when done
21:21:06 <sspreitzer> ?
21:21:10 <liknus> sspreitzer,
21:21:26 <sspreitzer> In which city is this event happening?
21:21:40 <cwickert> Oberhausen
21:21:46 <dmaphy> i'd like to remember anyone who is thinking of attending to add hisself to the wiki-page
21:22:03 <dmaphy> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenRheinRuhr2010
21:22:25 <dmaphy> in special for booth service and such things
21:22:29 <dmaphy> eof
21:22:35 <liknus> thanks dmaphy for reminding :)
21:22:39 <liknus> moving on :)
21:22:47 <liknus> #topic OpenFloor
21:22:53 <cwickert> !
21:23:04 <liknus> the meeting will end in 5' if no subjects
21:23:06 <liknus> cwickert,
21:23:27 <cwickert> I'd like to remind people to add their reports of FUDCon and FROSCamp to the wiki pages
21:23:38 <cwickert> lets collect everything: blog posts, fotos, etc
21:23:39 <cwickert> eof
21:23:53 <liknus> thanks cwickert for the reminder
21:23:59 <sspreitzer> !
21:24:22 <liknus> sspreitzer,
21:24:55 <sspreitzer> The company I am working for is hiring linux freaks/geeks in southern germany/switzerland area.
21:25:07 <sspreitzer> If you feel some interest, please let me know.
21:25:17 <sspreitzer> Four seats are open for you.
21:25:21 <sspreitzer> thanks!
21:25:21 <sspreitzer> eof
21:25:34 <liknus> thanks sspreitzer
21:25:44 <liknus> Thank you all for attending todays meeting!
21:25:52 <liknus> #endmeeting