14:10:43 <liknus> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2011-04-16
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14:11:47 <liknus> #chair igorps lcafiero yn1v
14:11:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: igorps lcafiero liknus yn1v
14:12:15 <yn1v> .fasinfo yn1v
14:12:16 <zodbot> yn1v: User: yn1v, Name: Neville A. Cross, email: neville@taygon.com, Creation: 2008-08-11, IRC Nick: yn1v, Timezone: America/Managua, Locale: en, Extension: 5112336, GPG key ID: 96851663, Status: active
14:12:20 <zodbot> yn1v: Approved Groups: famsco cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors @freemedia marketing news
14:12:46 <igorps> .fas igorps
14:12:47 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org>
14:14:57 <lcafiero> .fas lcafiero
14:14:58 <zodbot> lcafiero: lcafiero 'Larry Cafiero' <larrycafiero@cruzio.com>
14:17:03 <yn1v> What is the status of media wranglers?
14:17:52 <lcafiero> yn1v: maybe you should take over
14:17:56 <yn1v> looks like the lag finally got liknus :(
14:18:04 <lcafiero> poor liknus
14:18:48 <yn1v> I can take over, but how much we can do if we are only three?
14:18:50 <igorps> yn1v: Your suggestion for multiple wranglers in LATAM sounds good to me
14:19:50 <igorps> yn1v: we can follow the agenda with updates from the ones who are here
14:19:59 <lcafiero> +1
14:20:07 <yn1v> okey
14:20:21 <yn1v> for LATAM ... so far so good, but we need to get people to tell us how much media they need
14:20:51 <igorps> yn1v: can you be responsible fro CEAM, Venezuela and Colombia?
14:21:06 <igorps> for*
14:21:14 <yn1v> Sure.
14:21:47 <igorps> nice, I'll do it for Brazil and will ping Antonio for other countries.
14:22:01 <igorps> we need to define how we will file this ticket
14:22:19 <igorps> if we are going to do this together or in separated tickets
14:22:47 <yn1v> I think it is better have separate tickets, as each one have differente ways to get reimburse
14:23:10 <igorps> ok, works for me
14:23:47 <lcafiero> yes, that will be best -- not from a tracking standpoint because Max and I will have to look at a lot of tickets, but I think that's OK :-)
14:24:13 <igorps> So far I don't have any news on the survey
14:24:31 <igorps> but I think it's time to take over Raul's tasks
14:26:01 <yn1v> neither do I, so I let take over
14:27:27 <igorps> I'll get back to infra in order see what we have available to do the survey
14:27:54 <igorps> but would be nice to have something outlined by forehand
14:29:09 <yn1v> I think we should ping infra about having in place a survey tool. Follow up the request from marketing.
14:29:25 <yn1v> But it is not likely to have that soon.
14:29:47 <igorps> Yes, probably not
14:30:04 <yn1v> So, lets make the survey with limesurvey, have it as a case that another survey go outside
14:30:07 <igorps> so we should still consider limeservice.com
14:30:33 <yn1v> can we re-state the objective of the survey?
14:31:26 <yn1v> it is about to know what ambassador feels about the fedora objectives, prioritize ... so we can lead ???
14:31:44 <yn1v> s /what /how
14:31:56 <igorps> AFIAK the objective was to help to define FAmSCo long term agenda
14:32:16 <igorps> so we can lead
14:33:53 <yn1v> but the agenda should be framed or focus on Fedora objectives recently stated. Or I have mixing old memories?
14:35:23 <igorps> I don't see a problem in mixing old memories, but might me a good idea to focus more on the recently established goals
14:35:53 <yn1v> okey
14:36:14 <yn1v> I will start making a draft and share for feed back
14:36:20 <lcafiero> +1
14:36:23 <igorps> yn1v: nice
14:36:42 <lcafiero> Also, I think that you can accomplish both things in one survey, if done right.
14:36:51 <igorps> +1
14:38:07 <yn1v> the other task noted for Rahul is about the mentor process.
14:38:22 <yn1v> lcafiero, how it this going?
14:39:29 <lcafiero> Right. I have to confess this dropped off my list after initially e-mailing him, and I apologize.
14:40:06 <lcafiero> I will try again and maybe get kital in on the conversation, especially since I have a candidate to be a mentor in NA.
14:40:21 <yn1v> I am not sure if this is a more regional concern.
14:41:04 <yn1v> in the other hand I think we improved documentation about mentors
14:41:19 <igorps> IMHO the mentoring process is working pretty well
14:41:33 <lcafiero> I'm sorry, yn1v  - by "this" you mean clarifying the mentor process with Rahul or having a candidate in NA?
14:41:49 <yn1v> mentorin proccess
14:42:04 <lcafiero> Ah, OK. Thanks.
14:42:30 <lcafiero> I will make a note to start that process again today.
14:43:17 <yn1v> I feel that this is not a pressing issue, and we have other ideas to work on ... probably let this on a shelf to review it later if some one has another concer on the way mentor are approved.
14:44:04 <igorps> +1
14:44:14 <yn1v> this is how I feel about this, but I will happily help to review the process if anybody feels otherwise
14:45:28 <lcafiero> +1
14:46:05 <lcafiero> Though just thinking aloud, I think we have the power to make our own process if necessary, but I will check on that.
14:46:23 <yn1v> lcafiero, can we go over your list ?
14:46:39 <lcafiero> Sure.
14:47:54 <yn1v> shoul I ask, or you bring the items?
14:47:56 <lcafiero> I've asked about a hosting fc.o within RH but I haven't gotten a response
14:48:08 <lcafiero> No, I'll just note the items.
14:48:49 <lcafiero> I will ping tom callaway again -- I don't know if he's the one to go to, but if he's not, he would know who to ask.
14:49:40 <lcafiero> On the Town Hall, after talking to people on the irc channels #fedora-ambassadors and #fedora-campusamb (the campus ambassadors), I couldn't nail down a time that's best for all.
14:49:59 <lcafiero> So I'll post on the mailing list an announcement and ask for a time that would suit all.
14:50:19 <lcafiero> I am thinking that there might be more than one a month to accommodate everyone's schedule.
14:51:02 <yn1v> I think that it is almost impossible to suit everybody, making more meeting may help
14:51:12 <lcafiero> That could be yn1v
14:51:16 <lcafiero> I will keep working on it.
14:51:48 <yn1v> once a month may be a better approach than run twice the town hall
14:52:26 <lcafiero> I was thinking twice a month -- one that can accommodate those in our hemisphere, and one that might be better for Europe and Asia.
14:52:39 <igorps> We can take advantage of similar timezones
14:52:43 <lcafiero> Although everyone would be welcome to participate in both.
14:53:18 <yn1v> okey
14:53:56 <lcafiero> The only other thing -- and I think this has to wait until we settle the mentor issue -- is that Scott Williams deserves to be a mentor in NA by his great work in organizing large events and speaking on behalf of Fedora
14:54:07 <lcafiero> Scott is vwbusguy on irc channels
14:54:26 <lcafiero> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vwbusguy
14:55:04 <lcafiero> Once we get the mentoring issue squared away, I would like to nominate him and have him approved.
14:56:03 <lcafiero> Scott has been a great help in organizing the Fedora presence at SCALE for the last two years, and he speaks to the LUGs and universities about Fedora  in the Los Angeles area
14:56:21 <lcafiero> So that's all I have
14:56:28 <yn1v> I think famsco can approve him anytime even the process is not perfect
14:56:36 <igorps> Sounds like a great Fedora contributor
14:56:59 <yn1v> yes.
14:57:05 <lcafiero> Do we need a quorum for that? So far it's only the three of us.
14:57:07 <igorps> I agree with yn1v, but we should do it on the mailing list or in a meeting with more people
14:57:24 <lcafiero> I would agree.
14:57:31 <yn1v> mentor is more about people skills, and I think this is something very hard to evaluate from away
14:57:33 <lcafiero> We should have more people here to approve it.
14:57:46 <yn1v> I will trust lcafiero on the recommendation
14:58:13 <yn1v> yes, we need more votes.
14:58:26 <lcafiero> I will bring it back next week. Thanks.
14:58:46 <igorps> lcafiero: That would be nice
14:59:11 <yn1v> I only have one item, and that is librebus.
14:59:14 * lcafiero hopes yn1v is going to talk about the librebus
14:59:18 <lcafiero> YAY!
14:59:36 <yn1v> been hit by a bus now have another meaning for me
15:00:39 <yn1v> I feel that I am with two hats on this matter. I should not involve my self on the decision, just to provide information
15:00:53 <yn1v> so the rest can decide.
15:00:55 <igorps> It's better to be hit by librebus than any other ordinary bus :)
15:01:41 <igorps> yn1v: do we have an estimative of how much money is needed?
15:01:48 <yn1v> I have been working on organize the tour on Nicaragua, actually take over the task that other people was supposed to do.
15:03:02 <yn1v> they told me that would like having around $1500
15:03:33 <yn1v> that is not a definitive number.
15:03:34 <lcafiero> I think that is possible.
15:04:05 <yn1v> There is a NGO how is behind this, dialogia that can provide support that the money was received.
15:04:24 <igorps> I see no problem as well
15:04:33 <yn1v> Also will make a report on how money was spend
15:05:01 <lcafiero> I agree. Do you want to make a ticket for this yn1v, or because you're a participant, I can.
15:05:26 <yn1v> I think that also it will be needed extra funds, for making fedora swag and media
15:05:38 <yn1v> I can make the ticket, I ma requesting this.
15:05:58 <yn1v> What I think is that I should not be deciding on this
15:06:33 <lcafiero> OK, that would be good. I will talk to max about funding options -- for example, we might not have to take it from LATAM budget directly (we might want to see if commarch will spring for it)
15:06:36 <yn1v> Just for transparency, avoinding conflict of interest
15:07:05 <lcafiero> +1
15:07:09 <igorps> +1
15:07:15 <yn1v> The other thing is actually how to make the money flow
15:07:32 <lcafiero> Also, it is an inspiring project -- herlo and I were talking about doing the same kind of project on the US West Coast :-)
15:08:20 <yn1v> Well just change the country names for us state names and reprint :P
15:09:05 <lcafiero> Heh. You're way ahead of us, though.
15:09:51 <igorps> yn1v: you guys can't use PayPal in Nicaragua, right?
15:09:53 <lcafiero> I have to take my wife to school, but I will leave the channel on
15:10:20 <yn1v> bye! lcafiero ... see you soon
15:10:37 <lcafiero> I think librebus is an oustanding idea and I'd like to discuss it further.
15:10:40 <lcafiero> back later
15:10:48 <yn1v> Paypal web site say yes, but all transaction get discarded
15:10:54 <igorps> lcafiero: bye!
15:11:26 <igorps> yn1v: so we'll need to find an alternative way
15:11:50 <yn1v> it is possible to make a bank transfer directly to dialogia
15:12:14 <igorps> It would be nice to point that on the ticket
15:12:25 <yn1v> okey.
15:12:41 <igorps> I also filed a ticket for LATAM
15:12:47 <igorps> about FISL
15:12:54 <igorps> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/161
15:13:20 <igorps> This is a summary of travel subsidies for the event
15:14:32 <yn1v> wow, that how real tickets are !!
15:15:09 <igorps> I hope it's enough information :)
15:15:21 <yn1v> it is very complete, well documented
15:15:46 <yn1v> You have raised the bar ;)
15:16:10 <igorps> just to make sure we make it transparently and properly done
15:17:13 <igorps> I also have placed a draft of March report on the wiki:
15:17:25 <igorps> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2011-03
15:17:53 <igorps> yn1v: if you have any news from LATAM you would like to add feel free to do it
15:17:53 <yn1v> I saw it on the mailing list but I haven't review it
15:18:29 <igorps> I'd like to publish it by Wednesday
15:19:06 <yn1v> I will review it tomorrow.
15:19:22 <igorps> yn1v: great!
15:19:34 <yn1v> more items?
15:19:42 <igorps> not from me
15:20:04 <yn1v> Well, lets end the meeting.
15:20:13 <igorps> ok
15:20:13 <yn1v> can you post the logs?
15:20:19 <igorps> sure!
15:20:25 <yn1v> I can update the agenda later.
15:20:42 <igorps> no problem, my friend
15:20:50 <yn1v> after lunch, I will have some minutes to kill
15:21:01 <yn1v> #endmeeting