05:02:43 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
05:02:43 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 28 05:02:43 2011 UTC.  The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:02:47 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:02:55 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:03:04 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-04-28
05:03:34 <tagoh> hi guys, this is i18n meeting. who else here today?
05:03:43 <juhp> hi!
05:04:07 <dueno> hi
05:04:25 <paragan> hi
05:04:29 <pravins> hi
05:05:00 <tagoh> no changes in the agenda for a while though, if you have any, please add it there or bring it up at the end of the meeting :)
05:06:10 <epico_laptop> hi
05:06:31 <tagoh> I may be unreachable to the network next week. so that would be appreciated if anyone can take chairman
05:06:45 <tagoh> anyway, let's get started then
05:06:57 <tagoh> #topic F15
05:07:47 <fujiwarat> hi
05:07:53 <tagoh> 23 bugs open, including 34 new and 2 blockers. though blocker bugs are in testing now
05:09:13 <tagoh> any concerns?
05:09:34 <tagoh> .bug 699996
05:09:36 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 699996 X compose maps not enabled by default - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699996
05:09:40 <tagoh> was about to check it
05:11:10 <tagoh> nkumar: any updates on ibus-indic-table?
05:12:22 <nkumar> yep, have started on the bugs
05:12:47 <nkumar> was interrupted by some urgent work on UTRRS
05:13:01 <nkumar> will resume next week on ibus-indic-table
05:13:44 <tagoh> ok. so no critical issues on ibus-indic-table so far right?
05:14:14 <pravins> tagoh: yeah, not much
05:14:20 <pravins> need enhancements
05:14:22 <tagoh> ok, good
05:14:25 <juhp> hmm quite a few interesting f15 bugs
05:17:30 <tagoh> hm, ok, anything else? everything goes well for you?
05:20:19 <tagoh> guess better move on then
05:20:25 <pravins> tagoh: yeah
05:20:27 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates
05:21:33 <tagoh> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/imsettings-1.2.2-1.fc15 is in testing now...
05:22:17 <juhp> and ibus-chewing too for f15
05:22:38 <tagoh> right
05:22:44 <juhp> tagoh: do we need to ping releng to get builds tagged for dist-f15?
05:23:01 <juhp> or is that still happening
05:23:07 <juhp> in general
05:23:34 <tagoh> packages should be tagged if it got approved blocker
05:23:38 <tagoh> ?
05:24:18 <juhp> ok - hope so
05:24:34 <juhp> sounds right
05:26:40 <tagoh> juhp: I don't see any particular workflow in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process
05:27:24 <juhp> ok - would be nice to know
05:27:44 <juhp> in the old days we petitioned releng for tags afaicr
05:28:09 <tagoh> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ibus-chewing-1.3.9.2-3.fc15
05:28:58 <tagoh> ok, let's check on koji when it's pushed to stable.
05:30:08 <tagoh> anything else?
05:30:55 <tagoh> let's move on
05:31:01 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:31:34 <tagoh> 33 bugs open, including 20 bugs in NEW and 1 new release.
05:31:52 <tagoh> any updates on IM?
05:33:56 <pravins> tagoh: i have started working on Tamil and Malayalam
05:34:01 <pravins> for ITB
05:34:18 <tagoh> aha
05:34:37 <pravins> i think by next couple of week we will have alpha release of it
05:37:43 <tagoh> pravins: is there any indic languages not yet supported in ITB?
05:38:19 <tagoh> we are gonna supporting Marathi, Hindi and Gujarati in f15 right?
05:38:21 <pravins> tagoh: there are many :(
05:38:33 <pravins> yes, exactly
05:39:04 <pravins> tagoh: important thing for ITB is get good amount of Data, so we can extra words and corresponding frequency from that
05:39:35 <tagoh> sure
05:40:36 <tagoh> ok, anything else updates in IM?
05:41:03 <epico_laptop> two abrt ibus-pinyin are closed by reporter.
05:41:25 <epico_laptop> abrt bugs.
05:41:53 <tagoh> was it not a bug?
05:41:59 <juhp> paragan: are you updating gcin, btw?
05:42:21 <epico_laptop> tagoh: not a bug. after updates, it seems gone.
05:42:28 <tagoh> aha
05:42:32 <juhp> pravins: any measurements for performance improvement btw?
05:43:00 <pravins> juhp: its giving good performance presently
05:43:25 <juhp> pravins: ok I mean from user's perspective
05:43:28 <pravins> i think we can improve even more by just loading 40 phrases in candidates (presently we are loading 100)
05:43:38 <juhp> guess it is a bit hard to measure perhaps
05:43:58 <paragan> juhp, yes but still looking for scriptlet issue fix
05:44:13 <juhp> words/minute perhaps and user may need some "training" first
05:44:15 <tagoh> with survey perhaps? :)
05:44:16 <juhp> okay
05:44:23 <pravins> juhp: hmm, yes there is scope for improvement user experience by adding some logic in ibus-indic-table
05:45:08 <juhp> hmm maybe some testday might be good later when it is ready enough
05:45:15 <juhp> okay
05:45:24 <pravins> reported bugs for nkumar, once he will understood code little better we can think more
05:45:32 <pravins> juhp: yeah, sure
05:46:07 <nkumar> pravins: thanks pravins :)
05:46:12 <tagoh> well, since there are a lot of RFEs in bz, people may not yet be comfortable with it
05:46:41 <fujiwarat> I integrated input-pad with some bug fixes.
05:47:28 <tagoh> juhp: we could re-visit this in f16 for all indic maybe.
05:47:29 <pravins> tagoh: yeah, specifically adding new phrases :)
05:47:37 <juhp> tagoh: sure
05:48:42 <juhp> would be good to do some triaging/cleanup of IM bugs perhaps after f15 released
05:48:57 <tagoh> yeah, and f13 bugs too
05:48:59 <juhp> (probably also for fonts/rendering)
05:49:02 <juhp> yeah
05:50:14 <tagoh> fujiwarat: aha. is it in testing now or pushed to stable already?
05:50:53 <fujiwarat> tagoh: It's pushed to stable.
05:50:59 <tagoh> ok
05:51:46 <tagoh> anything else?
05:52:16 <tagoh> shall we move on if not?
05:53:09 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:53:49 <tagoh> 34+33 bugs open, including 16+24 bugs in NEW and 2+1 new releases
05:54:58 <tagoh> any updates on rendering and fonts
05:56:57 <pravins> tagoh: i am working on presently https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=694705
05:57:22 <pravins> i guess will resolve it today :)
05:57:50 <tagoh> aha. cool
06:00:37 <tagoh> anything else?
06:01:50 <tagoh> #topic others
06:02:02 <tagoh> anything before closing the meeting?
06:02:20 <paragan> submitted pagul-fonts package for Saurashtra script and its now approved. Also, subimtted tabish-eeyek-fonts package for Meetei Mayek script and its under review.
06:02:39 <pravins> tagoh: i was working on adding rupee symbol in glibc locales
06:03:51 <tagoh> didn't have any chance for while to inform this but 8 package reviews keeps standing. would be nice to see any progress for them. volunteers are welcome :)
06:04:40 <tagoh> pravins: oh, are we missing any work for rupee symbol support?
06:05:39 <pravins> tagoh: yes, support in glibc locale :(
06:05:55 <pravins> i think need to resolve http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11258 this bug for rupee symbol as well
06:06:04 <pravins> i will submit patch soon
06:06:16 <tagoh> hmm, ok..
06:06:38 <pravins> somehow no one in upstream looking for indic localedata bugs :(
06:07:29 <pravins> juhp: do you know anyone responsible for it, in fedora package maintenar is also not giving any response
06:07:40 <juhp> pravins: you? :)
06:07:45 <tagoh> hehe
06:07:48 <pravins> :)
06:07:54 <pravins> .whoowns glibc
06:07:55 <zodbot> pravins: schwab
06:08:10 <juhp> yeah sounds like it would be very useful though to do
06:08:23 <juhp> so all Indic locales need updating I guess?
06:08:29 <juhp> Indian
06:08:40 <tagoh> is it maybe too late to raise this for blocker?
06:08:56 <pravins> .bug 678216
06:08:58 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 678216 [indic] update locales with currency symbol to U20B9 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=678216
06:08:59 <tagoh> maybe suggested to drop a feature perhaps?
06:09:04 <juhp> probably not a blocker I guess?
06:09:09 <tagoh> yeah
06:09:19 <pravins> tagoh: this will be add-on for feature
06:09:44 <pravins> yeah, no blocker
06:10:08 <tagoh> what happens if we missed this in glibc?
06:10:57 <paragan> It should have been updated by Beta release but its ok I guess as we already have it added in inscript maps for input
06:11:14 <pravins> older currency symbol will get used, whenever it will be pulled frm glibc
06:11:20 <pravins> s/frm/from
06:11:43 <paragan> also i guess its critical path package so no way to get it updated before GA by making it blocker
06:13:09 <tagoh> dunno if there are any case glibc itself does anything for currency symbols?
06:13:19 <tagoh> paragan: right
06:14:07 <pravins> in libreoffice, it use icu local i think
06:14:12 <pravins> for currency
06:14:37 <tagoh> aha
06:14:46 <pravins> like in evolution it take date format from glibc, might be any such condition
06:15:41 <tagoh> ok
06:16:30 <tagoh> anything else?
06:17:18 <juhp> pravins: so glibc locales define the currency character, right?
06:17:24 <pravins> yes
06:20:30 <tagoh> ok, suppose we should stop here today.
06:20:39 <tagoh> thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:20:45 <tagoh> #endmeeting