20:00:59 <croberts> #startmeeting 20:00:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jan 13 20:00:59 2014 UTC. The chair is croberts. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:59 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:01:06 <jzb> croberts: that's correct. 20:01:09 <croberts> #meetingname Fedora Marketing Meeting 20:01:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_marketing_meeting' 20:01:18 <croberts> #topic roll call 20:01:22 <croberts> #chair jzb 20:01:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: croberts jzb 20:01:30 <jterrill> .fas jterrill 20:01:31 <zodbot> jterrill: jterrill 'John Terrill' <jterrill@redhat.com> 20:01:35 <croberts> .fasinfo chrisroberts 20:01:38 <zodbot> croberts: User: chrisroberts, Name: Chris Roberts, email: croberts@cintrixhosting.com, Creation: 2012-09-15, IRC Nick: croberts, Timezone: America/New_York, Locale: en, GPG key ID: A99D813C, Status: active 20:01:41 <zodbot> croberts: Approved Groups: +qa @videos web designteam marketing docs-writers fedorabugs docs openshift-origin cla_done cla_fpca 20:01:46 <croberts> woops wrong one 20:01:46 <jzb> .fas jzb 20:01:47 <zodbot> jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' <jzb@zonker.net> - jzbl 'Denise Gant' <denise2gant@gmail.com> 20:02:06 <jzb> how do you limit it to just one? 20:02:13 <croberts> we will give it a min to see if any others join 20:02:24 <croberts> jzb: that i am not sure 20:02:33 <jzb> .fas jzb@zonker.net 20:02:34 <zodbot> jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' <jzb@zonker.net> 20:02:40 <croberts> :) 20:02:43 <jzb> hrm 20:02:46 <jzb> still doesn't do what I want 20:03:24 <croberts> .ping roshi 20:03:25 <zodbot> pong 20:03:32 <jzb> while we're waiting... 20:03:34 <croberts> .ping mitzie 20:03:34 <zodbot> pong 20:03:44 <jzb> I want to mention the Fedora Board election nominations end today 20:03:53 <jzb> right now I only see two nominees 20:03:56 <jzb> and two open seats. 20:04:12 <croberts> hmm who are the nominations so far 20:04:14 <jzb> so if you know anybody thinking about running, nudge 'em to put their names in 20:04:35 <croberts> with NHO I am still trying to catch up on things 20:04:41 <jzb> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_nominations 20:05:07 <roshi> I'm here 20:05:15 <roshi> sorry :-/ 20:05:24 <croberts> hi roshi 20:05:49 <croberts> I know a few ambassadors that should nominate themselves 20:06:03 <croberts> Well I think we can get started 20:06:10 <croberts> #topic beats for the magazine 20:07:38 <jzb> OK 20:08:01 <jzb> so now that we have Fedora Magazine ticking along again 20:08:06 <jzb> it needs content 20:08:20 <jzb> currently, the last post seems to be 3 weeks ago 20:08:22 <croberts> I agree I have a few things saved in my inbox that I want to post 20:08:24 <jzb> that's... suboptimal 20:08:38 <croberts> I agree it has been lack luster as far as content 20:09:04 <jzb> we really need to 1) define beats, and 2) actually work 'em. 20:09:22 <croberts> what were you think along the lines of beats? 20:09:31 <jzb> have we ever had beats before? 20:09:31 * roshi reads up on our "beats" page 20:09:43 <croberts> I know I told suehle I was going to do meeting notes, and the badges that people are getting. 20:09:45 <roshi> assuming we have one...I feel like I've seen it 20:09:47 <croberts> I dont think so 20:10:16 <jzb> might be a good idea to look + see what we have done previously 20:10:47 <croberts> I think it would be nice to have them 20:10:51 <croberts> I know it helps the docs team 20:10:52 <roshi> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats 20:10:59 <roshi> that's what I was remembering 20:11:30 <croberts> Those are a good Idea, it would be nice for us to adopt something along those lines for the magazine 20:11:33 <jzb> Hmm 20:11:39 <croberts> thoughts jzb? 20:11:41 <jzb> OK, there seems to be one glaring omission there :-) 20:11:57 * jzb is missing "development" 20:12:25 <jzb> OK, clearly we don't need a "welcome" beat 20:12:33 <croberts> that I agree with 20:12:37 <roshi> yeah 20:12:38 <jzb> I think that was probably whomever wrote the forward or intro text 20:12:48 <jzb> Announcements is easy 20:12:53 <croberts> i dont think we need one for planetfedora, what do you think? 20:13:02 <jzb> basically make sure any announcements are populated to the magazine as well. 20:13:05 <croberts> That site is pretty self sufficient 20:13:14 <jzb> croberts: well, we had talked about curating from that site. 20:13:25 <croberts> oh true 20:13:27 <jzb> asking to repost or at least writing summaries from interesting posts on Planet. 20:13:54 <croberts> What about translation? 20:14:13 <roshi> yeah - that was a thing I didn't actually get done past "Is this a good idea?" 20:14:15 <jzb> croberts: I think all the other ones seem good. 20:14:19 * croberts tries to find my notes from before when we talked about this 20:14:56 <croberts> Do we want to bring that table over to the Magazine wiki page and we can sign up for subjects we would like to cover? 20:15:59 <jzb> croberts: yeah, please 20:16:09 <jzb> croberts: but let's add development, please 20:16:13 <roshi> here is where the planet thread started: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2013-October/015454.html 20:16:15 <jzb> the other thing is style 20:16:20 <croberts> ok I will get that done :) 20:16:28 <croberts> #action croberts to update the magazine wiki page 20:16:32 <jzb> we should try to have a similar approach to beats 20:16:35 <jzb> I like the LWN approach 20:16:59 <croberts> thank you roshi 20:17:37 <roshi> np 20:17:43 <croberts> as far as having a weekly edition? 20:17:58 <roshi> that would come down to manpower I would think 20:18:55 <jzb> croberts: sorry, I just meant editorial style 20:19:14 <jzb> for example: https://lwn.net/Articles/579685/ 20:19:41 <jzb> if something comes across a mailing list/beat that's important, a quick summary/quote and headline that's accurate is really all that's needed. 20:20:35 <jzb> thoughts, comments, flames? :-) 20:20:59 <croberts> jzb: +1 20:21:54 <croberts> I think that is something we can adopt for the site. 20:22:34 <jzb> any other thoughts on beats? 20:22:37 <croberts> Now that its back up and running I would like to see the activity it had before 20:22:47 <jzb> can we at least get 1 post per week on each beat? 20:23:01 <croberts> I think beats are a good idea and it will help with the direction of what to publish to the site 20:23:17 <croberts> jzb: what about meeting notes? should those be a beat or no 20:23:33 <jzb> croberts: I think meetings fall under the respective beats. 20:23:43 <roshi> +1 jzb 20:23:50 <jzb> so if you are covering Ambassadors, then it's up to you whether the meetings are worth summarizing 20:24:04 <jzb> Though ... how are we doing at advertising meetings? 20:24:40 <croberts> ok that works for me. I just know we were getting to the point of publishing meeting notes instead of summarizing and it was looking like we were just pushing content 20:25:07 <jzb> http://fedoramagazine.org/?cat=11 20:25:15 <jzb> looks like the events tab is borked 20:25:24 <croberts> I know we can do better as far as advertising meetings. I know our group you did a reminder today and mitzie last week. Adamw has been good to send out meeting reminders, nirik and randomuser for their teams have been good as well. 20:25:31 <roshi> we could perhaps integrate the fedocal for the calendar which would have all the meetings on it 20:25:40 <croberts> +1 roshi that would be nice 20:25:55 <roshi> it spits out iCal, so it could potentially work 20:25:57 <jzb> hmmm. we dont' have any upcoming events that's why it seems to be borked. 20:26:13 <roshi> test days will stat up again once Fedora.next gets rolling 20:26:19 <roshi> and I'll be writing things for those 20:26:19 <croberts> I know as the wiki events page fills up we need to pull from their and put in the magazine cal plugin 20:26:32 <roshi> all of which can be content 20:27:20 <croberts> that would be awesome roshi. I am going to work on getting my articles published tonight/tomorrow 20:27:21 <roshi> fedocal -> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/ 20:27:39 <croberts> jzb: I can check the event page on the wiki and see if there is anything new for this year 20:27:42 <roshi> is supposed to be the master calendar (iirc) for at least IRC meeting room bookings 20:27:53 <croberts> jzb: that way the link does not goto a 404 at least 20:28:26 <croberts> #action check event wiki page and add them to the site so we dont get a 404 20:28:30 <jzb> croberts: awesome, thanks! 20:29:58 <jzb> OK, anything else on this topic? 20:30:03 <jzb> if not, any other topics? 20:30:04 <croberts> Awesome well I think we have beats covered. I will update the magazine wiki page and shoot it out to the mailing list for people to sign up on. 20:30:11 <jzb> croberts: woot 20:30:28 <croberts> I dont really have anything else at the moment 20:30:42 <roshi> well, as for content in the future - I was talking to randomuser about documentation for the docs team 20:30:50 <croberts> xchipx joined us for his first marketing meeting. did you have anything you want to share? 20:30:59 <croberts> +1 roshi 20:31:08 <roshi> and we're getting ready to do some work for QA Devel, so more tutorials are coming down the line 20:31:26 <roshi> and also finding a good system for building documentation as code get updated 20:31:46 <croberts> anything is appreciated, i know the site was done for a while and i apologize for that but we are back up and running so we should not have any issues picking back up with content. 20:31:47 <roshi> as for qadevel stuff, I'm working on a system for that - integrate into CI 20:31:56 <croberts> down* 20:32:14 <roshi> a similar system could be used for people to submit content, and then pushed to the magazine 20:32:32 <roshi> especially if docs and QA will be using similar systems (in a perfect world) 20:32:48 <roshi> croberts: all the poking around I did on the magazine seemed to look like everything was in order 20:33:00 <croberts> that is possible roshi, once i get the test system up i will send that out to the mailing list, that one can be used for testing qa stuff and plugins. 20:33:09 <croberts> Awesome roshi :) thank you for testing it 20:33:21 <croberts> it was a lot of work to get it back up and running with all the content still 20:33:21 <roshi> is there a list of minimum content that should always be on the site? 20:33:35 <roshi> something we could test against for plugin updates and whatnot? 20:33:45 * roshi is thinking about selenium tests 20:33:52 <xchipx> Hello all, thank you for the welcome Chris. Just observing at the mome3nt until I find my feet 20:34:08 <roshi> at the bottom of your legs xchipx :p 20:34:13 <roshi> welcome :) 20:34:15 <jzb> roshi: I'm not sure that publishing is testable :-) 20:34:21 <xchipx> cheers roshi ;-) 20:34:27 <jzb> roshi: that might be over-engineering a bit :-) 20:34:33 <roshi> lol, I was thinking structure 20:34:51 <croberts> roshi once i export the current content over to the test site we can use that as a min content for testing 20:35:00 <roshi> calendar widget, comments boxes, no 404's on images, etc 20:35:07 <croberts> i wanted to leave the site alone for a few days to make sure everything was stable 20:35:19 <croberts> and it is ;) 20:35:36 <roshi> just a thought 20:36:28 <jzb> NO ONE TOUCH ANYTHING 20:36:29 <jzb> :-) 20:36:33 <roshi> lol 20:36:35 <croberts> lol 20:36:46 <jzb> don't even look at it funny 20:36:55 <jzb> I mean it, I see that 20:37:02 <roshi> well, I'm out 20:37:05 <jzb> :-) 20:37:10 * roshi is funny looking by default 20:37:20 <croberts> :-) 20:37:25 * jzb isn't touching that. 20:37:29 <roshi> haha 20:37:30 <jzb> OK, any other topics? 20:37:38 * roshi has nothing else 20:37:40 <croberts> None that I can think of 20:37:48 <croberts> Welcome xchipx to your first meeting 20:37:52 <roshi> just glad I remembered the meeting today :) 20:37:54 <croberts> and many more to come 20:38:08 <croberts> awesome well thanks all for coming 20:38:13 <croberts> I am going to end it in 3 20:38:20 <croberts> #endmeeting