12:01:53 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 12:01:53 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Oct 9 12:01:53 2019 UTC. 12:01:53 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 12:01:53 <zodbot> The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 12:01:53 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 12:01:53 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 12:01:58 <stickster> #meetingname magazine 12:01:58 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 12:02:03 <stickster> #topic Roll call 12:02:17 <stickster> #chair asamalik cverna ryanlerch 12:02:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster 12:02:18 <asamalik> .hello2 12:02:19 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com> 12:02:24 * stickster hands over gavel 12:02:25 <asamalik> sorry for being a little late! 12:02:29 <asamalik> thanks stickster for starting it 12:02:34 <bcotton> .hello2 12:02:35 <stickster> np :-) 12:02:35 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com> 12:02:39 <stickster> #chair bcotton 12:02:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton cverna ryanlerch stickster 12:02:56 <asamalik> #topic Agenda 12:02:58 <stickster> #chair sub_pop 12:02:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton cverna ryanlerch stickster sub_pop 12:03:03 <asamalik> #info Fedora Magazine has moved to a new Editorial Workflow 12:03:04 <asamalik> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/workflow/ 12:03:04 <asamalik> #info Following is the meeting agenda that is a slightly different than before: 12:03:04 <asamalik> #info -- 1/ Last week's stats -- 12:03:04 <asamalik> #info -- 2/ In progress followup -- 12:03:04 <asamalik> #info -- 3/ Finished articles to review -- 12:03:04 <asamalik> #info -- 4/ Articles to edit -- 12:03:05 <asamalik> #info -- 5/ Publishing schedule -- 12:03:05 <asamalik> #info -- 6/ Article proposals to clarify / approve -- 12:03:06 <asamalik> #info -- 7/ Open floor -- 12:03:40 <stickster> Nice! Great idea copy-pasting this each meeting asamalik 12:04:02 <asamalik> stickster: we even have a template: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/editorial-meetings/ 12:05:14 <stickster> +1 12:05:18 <asamalik> #topic 1/ Last week's stats 12:05:23 <asamalik> #info Week of Sep 30: 60.5K pageviews -- it's gone down again, basically an average 12:05:33 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch 12:05:35 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com> 12:07:11 * cverna is around 12:07:14 <cverna> o/ 12:07:51 <stickster> Yeah, roughly average 12:07:53 <stickster> Hi Ryan! 12:07:56 <stickster> Hi Clement! 12:08:02 * asamalik waves 12:08:24 <asamalik> #topic 2/ In progress followup 12:08:29 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'in progress' column, is there something that's been finished? Anything to follow up on with its author? 12:08:29 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 12:09:00 <asamalik> oh wow that board is empty! :( 12:09:31 <asamalik> #info --- #23 Advanced Ansible to manage Linux workstations with swiss-army --- 12:09:35 <asamalik> #link https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/us/23?kanban-status=191 12:10:36 <asamalik> that's by jwf, he's saying in the card this should be ready by early october 12:10:41 <asamalik> so I'll ping him there :) 12:11:28 <stickster> +1. The cupboard does look a little bare :-) 12:12:37 <bcotton> maybe that's a good opportunity for the "how to contribute to fedora magazine" article asamalik was talking about a few weeks ago 12:12:47 <asamalik> done 12:12:55 <asamalik> bcotton: it might be, yes! 12:13:52 <asamalik> #topic 3/ Finished articles to review 12:13:53 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'review' column, let's decide which articles are good to go. Move each either to the 'to edit' (finished) or to the 'in progress' (needs more work) and provide feedback. 12:13:53 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 12:13:56 <asamalik> #info nothing here 12:14:05 <asamalik> #topic 4/ Articles to edit 12:14:05 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'to edit' column, assign an editor and a cover image creator. 12:14:05 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 12:14:18 <asamalik> #info nothing new here, one waiting for f30 GA 12:14:31 <asamalik> #topic 5/ Publishing schedule 12:14:32 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'queued' and 'to edit' columns, decide the publishing schedule for the next week period. 12:14:32 <asamalik> #info If there is not enough content, we might also need to look at the 'in progress' or even the 'article spec' columns come up with additional content. 12:14:32 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 12:14:36 <asamalik> and here we go! 12:14:37 <cverna> s/f30/f31/ :-) 12:14:41 <asamalik> time for some magic 12:15:00 <asamalik> cverna: oops, yep, that is now I'm afraid impossible to fix :) 12:15:11 <bcotton> do we know who is going to write the f31 ga post? if we expect mattdm to, we should get it in front of him soon 12:15:12 <stickster> asamalik: With this new meeting agenda, it's easier to get to the stuff we *need* to do in the meeting. Well done 12:15:26 <asamalik> \o/ 12:15:30 <bcotton> (so that he can make me ghost write it for him?) 12:15:35 <stickster> lulz 12:15:39 <asamalik> bcotton: that's a good point 12:15:53 <asamalik> maybe we should have a card for that 12:16:13 <bcotton> i'll add one and poke mattdm about starting the process 12:16:16 <asamalik> and I can write the how to contribute, but for next Wednesday at the earliest 12:16:26 <bcotton> #action bcotton to add a card for F31 GA post 12:16:27 <asamalik> oh well and I'm on PTO starting next Thursday, so basically only Wednesday 12:16:50 <bcotton> #action bcotton to approach mattdm about writing F31 GA post 12:17:10 <ryanlerch> asamalik: put me on the book for the image for that one 12:17:15 <bcotton> asamalik: if we have a ton of content show up, we can publish while you're on PTO :-) 12:17:19 <asamalik> ryanlerch++ 12:17:28 <asamalik> bcotton: that's true! 12:17:41 <asamalik> ok let me make a card for me 12:17:49 <asamalik> and let's think about something for Friday and Monday :) 12:19:28 <asamalik> bcotton, ryanlerch, cverna, stickster ^^ any ideas? 12:19:43 * stickster thinking 12:19:53 <asamalik> we could ask on the list again, but I'm afraid that we're not getting anything for Friday on this short notice 12:20:07 * asamalik has created a card for himself 12:20:13 * cverna checks something 12:21:17 <bcotton> https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/us/27?kanban-status=280 could be a quick one for someone to write 12:22:10 <cverna> Ok I can probably do an article on "black" https://github.com/psf/black, it is packaged in Fedora. So that would be how to install, how to run it and how to make you python code looks good 12:22:22 <bcotton> cverna++ 12:22:22 <stickster> Oh interesting cverna 12:22:30 <bcotton> +1 to that 12:22:41 <stickster> Wow, great logo they have, too :-D 12:22:47 <cverna> and I can probably pull that off for Friday :-) 12:23:00 <asamalik> cverna++ 12:23:08 <bcotton> not for friday, but we should think about getting some articles put together for the Python 2 EOL. i know it's nearly 3 months away, but it's also less than three months away 12:23:45 <stickster> Hey, I started running sshuttle not too long ago as a poor man's VPN... maybe something on that? 12:23:52 <bcotton> stickster: +1 12:24:11 <cverna> +1 too 12:24:12 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1 12:24:18 <ryanlerch> bcotton: def +1 12:24:42 <stickster> Put me down for it 12:24:50 <stickster> I thiiiiink I can get something done for Monday 12:25:02 <bcotton> #action stickster to write a sshuttle post for Monday 12:25:07 * bcotton will make the card now 12:26:20 <asamalik> nice! 12:26:22 <bcotton> #action cverna to write a Black post for Friday 12:26:26 * bcotton ditto re: card 12:26:54 <asamalik> who wants to make an image for Friday and Monday? 12:27:05 * asamalik is putting the publishing schedule together 12:27:18 <bcotton> not me, but i will edit both 12:27:23 <asamalik> woot 12:27:38 <stickster> I can handle an image for mine 12:28:24 * cverna is not great at doing the images :-P 12:28:37 <asamalik> so we need an image for Friday and someone to edit my article :) 12:29:01 <cverna> ryanlerch: can you provide an image ^^ :-) 12:29:34 <ryanlerch> me image ++ 12:29:47 <cverna> ryanlerch++ thanks 12:29:53 <cverna> image++ 12:30:03 <cverna> we don't have any image user :-) 12:30:15 <ryanlerch> friday++ 12:30:15 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for friday changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:30:22 <asamalik> cverna: maybe you gave them cookie already 12:30:27 <cverna> haha friday++ 12:30:27 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for friday changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:30:30 <bcotton> .fasinfo friday 12:30:31 <zodbot> bcotton: User: friday, Name: fri day, email: Tonew1985@jourrapide.com, Creation: 2016-06-03, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: spamcheck_denied 12:30:34 <zodbot> bcotton: Approved Groups: None 12:30:53 <stickster> lol 12:31:18 <asamalik> #proposed #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri 11 Oct, Black (cverna:write/bcotton:edit/ryanlerch:image) -- Mon 14 Oct, sshuttle (stickster:write/bcotton:edit/stickster:image) -- Wed 16 Oct, #73 How to contribute to Fedora Magazine (asamalik:write/NICK:edit/ryanlerch:image) 12:31:23 <cverna> My name is Day, Fri Day :-) 12:31:26 <bcotton> ack 12:31:26 <asamalik> that's what I have so far 12:31:31 <stickster> Wow. I don't think we've ever got there that fast, even when we didn't have much to review 12:31:50 <asamalik> that might be true :) 12:31:58 <ryanlerch> wow, its only 22:31 too! 12:32:58 <cverna> it is because we have to go and write the content now 12:33:07 <cverna> no time to waste :-P 12:33:10 <asamalik> yes, in the remaining 27 minutes 12:33:23 <asamalik> so I guess we're good with the schedule :) 12:33:29 <asamalik> and I'll find an editor for mine on the go 12:33:34 <stickster> LOL 12:33:34 <sub_pop> hello hello 12:33:40 <stickster> Wow Link is here! 12:33:51 <cverna> sub_pop++ 12:33:51 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for linkdupont changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:33:55 <cverna> \o 12:33:58 <sub_pop> yea. kids get on the bus by 8:30 12:34:26 <asamalik> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri 11 Oct, Black (cverna:write/bcotton:edit/ryanlerch:image) -- Mon 14 Oct, sshuttle (stickster:write/bcotton:edit/stickster:image) -- Wed 16 Oct, #73 How to contribute to Fedora Magazine (asamalik:write/NICK:edit/ryanlerch:image) 12:34:42 <asamalik> #topic 6/ Article proposals to clarify / approve 12:34:46 <asamalik> #info Review the the article proposals and decide about what's next — a new article spec? more discussion? 12:34:55 <asamalik> #link Article proposals: https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-proposals/issues 12:35:19 <asamalik> #info --- #14 Introducing how official Fedora wear is embroidered --- 12:35:24 <asamalik> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-proposals/issue/14 12:35:40 <asamalik> pagure++ for including a space between the number and the title! 12:35:56 <asamalik> we need one more +1 here and we're good to go! 12:36:34 <stickster> Oh hey, I forgot I had another idea in that hopper already! 12:37:04 <cverna> +1ed 12:37:39 <asamalik> cool! 12:37:45 * asamalik will create the card now 12:37:52 <asamalik> stickster: do you want to propose it here or in the tracker? 12:38:02 <stickster> It's https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-proposals/issue/13 12:38:20 <stickster> I've got qty-2 +1's on it alrady 12:38:22 <stickster> *already 12:38:51 <stickster> If that happens, should there be a card for it? If so, I can make one. 12:40:04 <asamalik> stickster: yep! 12:40:09 <asamalik> thanks! 12:40:23 <bcotton> +1, approved. i'm moving it to the board 12:42:06 <bcotton> moved 12:42:11 * bcotton is en fuego this morning 12:42:14 <asamalik> cool! anything else we want to look at? 12:42:32 <stickster> nice 12:42:51 <bcotton> i just need someone to talk me out of a fedora sweatshirt on hellotux because i already have too many sweatshirts 12:42:55 <SpyTec13> Just wanted to mention, 4th cockpit article is ready for review, an email to the list came in 12 minutes ago 12:43:08 <stickster> Awesome SpyTec13! Thanks for that :-) 12:43:16 <asamalik> bcotton: jut buy one 12:43:27 <asamalik> SpyTec13++ 12:43:27 <zodbot> asamalik: Karma for egustavs changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:43:44 <cverna> bcotton: yes they look really nice, 1 more 1 less you won't see the difference :-) 12:43:53 <cverna> SpyTec13++ 12:43:53 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for egustavs changed to 4 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:44:05 <asamalik> bcotton: you should actually buy two, because two is one, one is none 12:44:37 <stickster> Yeah, I need some Fedora shirts to be honest. Most of mine are getting old/threadbare 12:45:28 <stickster> asamalik: Do we have time for AOB? 12:45:40 <asamalik> SpyTec13: can you please move/create a card for it on the board so we don't forget? https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 12:45:53 <asamalik> #topic 7/ Open floor 12:45:57 <asamalik> let's see :) 12:46:02 * bcotton has a topic 12:46:22 <bcotton> (can be done asynch if needed) 12:46:25 * asamalik gave the mic to bcotton 12:47:06 <bcotton> so someone on my article this morning suggested a category for the Command Line Quick Tips. How do we feel about that? Would we rather have a tag (even though we don't seem to use those)? It'd be nice to have a quick way for people to find all of those articles, though 12:47:31 <asamalik> tag makes a perfect sense to me, yes 12:47:33 <stickster> A category sounds like a good idea to me 12:47:35 <stickster> oops 12:47:37 <bcotton> fight! 12:47:41 <stickster> tags are kind of arbitrary though 12:48:00 <stickster> Another idea would be to give them all a "series" 12:48:03 * asamalik just learned that "category" is probably a wordpress term :) 12:48:09 <stickster> it is :-) 12:48:14 <bcotton> yeah, tags require gardening from time to time. i think they could be useful for us to use, but putting them in a category is a simpler implementation, imo 12:48:23 <stickster> Right now those are things like "For Sysadmins," "Fedora Project community," "New in Fedora," etc. 12:48:26 <stickster> ^ categories 12:48:41 <stickster> tags are arbitrary labels you can stick on an article to help search engines locate it for related terms 12:49:00 <bcotton> ooh series seems like a good idea 12:49:06 <SpyTec13> asamalik: don't think I have permissions to write to the kanban board. First time using it 12:49:13 <stickster> But we also have a "series" (I think?) that lets you classify articles that can be grouped together -- and I think we also have a plugin that puts links to other series articles on each article's page 12:49:15 <bcotton> we have a lot of series that seem like they'd be better as tags 12:49:18 <asamalik> SpyTec13: oh! let me fix that for you 12:49:25 <stickster> ryanlerch: ^ do you know if the series thing still works? 12:49:28 <asamalik> .fasinfo SpyTec13 12:49:29 <zodbot> asamalik: User "SpyTec13" doesn't exist 12:49:39 <SpyTec13> .fasinfo egustavs 12:49:40 <zodbot> SpyTec13: User: egustavs, Name: Eric Gustavsson, email: egustavs@redhat.com, Creation: 2018-10-26, IRC Nick: SpyTec13, Timezone: Europe/Prague, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 12:49:43 <zodbot> SpyTec13: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca 12:49:44 <stickster> :-) 12:49:45 <asamalik> thanks! :) 12:50:01 <ryanlerch> stickster: it should... 12:50:10 <asamalik> SpyTec13: I've added you 12:50:13 <ryanlerch> we havent used it for a while i dont think 12:50:23 <SpyTec13> asamalik: thanks :) 12:50:46 <asamalik> SpyTec13: you might have received an email you'd need to confirm.. not sure what Taiga has decided to do this time 12:50:52 <asamalik> it's kind of hard to tell 12:50:59 <bcotton> series looks functional afaict 12:51:16 <stickster> #idea Use *series* to mark the CLI quick tips so they can be found more easily from each other randomly, as well as on a series page 12:51:47 <stickster> tags let you do that from a tag page, but they don't create a "you might also like..." style link on a tagged article 12:52:00 <asamalik> sounds good! 12:52:34 <bcotton> how about i dig into this a little more and come back to the mailing list with a proposal? 12:52:36 <asamalik> I'm definitely for a grouping of some sort, both series and category sound good :) 12:52:43 <stickster> ryanlerch: I can't find the "series" setting in the document settings though 12:52:45 <asamalik> bcotton: that would be great 12:52:51 <stickster> I wonder if that API changed in Gutenberg 12:53:34 <bcotton> #action bcotton to look into the series plugin and come to the mailing list with a proposal on how to group Command Line Quick Tips (and perhaps a broader plan for how to use series, categories, and tags in harmony) 12:54:43 <stickster> +1 12:54:49 * stickster raises hand 12:54:50 <asamalik> cool! 12:54:51 <asamalik> anything else for the last 5 mins? :) or do we want to get some time back to get ready for the next meeting we likely all have? :) 12:54:59 * asamalik gives the mic to stickster 12:54:59 <SpyTec13> asamalik: emails didn't indicate verifying, and I can't find any sort of add card button :( 12:55:07 <SpyTec13> Probably easier if you'd create the card at this point.. :D 12:55:12 <stickster> #info stickster will be unavailable for next Magazine meeting -- at a day-long RHEL planning meeting 12:55:34 <asamalik> SpyTec13: heh, that's annoying... sorry for that, I'll create it for you and look into that 12:55:38 * asamalik shakes fist at Taiga 12:56:03 <ryanlerch> stickster: i'll look into it, pretty sure it is this issue ttps://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/3369 12:56:25 <asamalik> stickster: ack, thanks for the info 12:56:57 <asamalik> I might be at a meeting, too, now thinking about it 12:57:56 <asamalik> ryanlerch, cverna, bcotton: can any of you chair the next meeting? there is a checklist to make it easier :) https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/editorial-meetings/ 12:58:06 <bcotton> i can 12:58:11 <asamalik> bcotton++ 12:58:17 <ryanlerch> bcotton++ 12:58:18 <asamalik> #action bcotton to chair next week's meeting 12:58:21 <bcotton> #undo 12:58:21 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by asamalik at 12:58:18 : bcotton to chair next week's meeting 12:58:23 <bcotton> wait lies 12:58:35 <bcotton> i won't be around for next week's meeting , probably :-( 12:59:09 * cverna is not around too 12:59:14 <asamalik> ha, this will be fun! 12:59:22 <bcotton> sounds like there's no meeting next week? 12:59:49 <asamalik> we kind of rely on it for the publishing schedule, so maybe we should figure it out async 13:00:02 <asamalik> and we're over time! 13:00:07 <bcotton> yeah, mailing list it is, i think 13:00:33 <asamalik> #info next week's meeting is canceled, we need to coordinate about the publishing schedule on the list 13:00:41 <asamalik> ok, have to go, thanks all! 13:01:03 <cverna> thanks 14:01:28 <bcotton> asamalik stickster cverna if any of you are around can you #endmeeting? 14:01:41 <cverna> #endmeeting