17:00:04 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2022-07-19) 17:00:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jul 19 17:00:04 2022 UTC. 17:00:04 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:04 <zodbot> The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 17:00:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2022-07-19)' 17:00:04 <nirik> #meetingname fesco 17:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 17:00:04 <nirik> #chair nirik, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, music, mhayden, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor 17:00:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku dcantrell decathorpe mhayden mhroncok music nirik sgallagh zbyszek 17:00:04 <nirik> #topic init process 17:00:37 <dcantrell> .hello2 17:00:38 <zodbot> dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' <dcantrell@redhat.com> 17:01:23 <nirik> who all is around for a lovely fesco meeting. 17:01:56 <nirik> Eighth_Doctor and mhayden said they would not be able to attend today 17:02:41 <nirik> I'll wait until 10 after to see if we can reach quorum... otherwise we will cancel. 17:02:47 <dcantrell> sounds good to me 17:03:33 <nirik> I guess I can run it again next week... unless you want to dcantrell? ;) 17:03:56 <dcantrell> I'm not going to be able to next week. I know I haven't done it in a while. 17:04:01 <mhroncok> Ok folks. I see the messages by zodbot but not the messages by nirik 17:04:01 <decathorpe> oh good, I thought it was only me 17:04:11 <sgallagh> mhroncok: Same 17:04:22 <nirik> huh... 17:04:32 <nirik> irc -> matrix bridge misbehaving? 17:04:41 <sgallagh> Broken bridge? 17:04:51 <decathorpe> hum, if the bridge were broken, we wouldn't see zodbot's messages either? 17:05:00 <nirik[m]> Fun... can you all see me here? 17:05:00 <sgallagh> Yes 17:05:12 <dcantrell> I see you in both places 17:05:23 <dcantrell> do people see me? 17:05:53 <mhroncok> nirik[m]: yes 17:05:55 <nirik> dcantrell: I see you both places... 17:06:13 <dcantrell> I do see everyone, fwiw. I'm on irc 17:06:18 <nirik> well, I guess I can go to the matrix side... 17:06:27 <nirik[m]> thats pretty odd. 17:07:59 <sgallagh> Computers. 🤷‍♂️ 17:08:02 <nirik[m]> So, I guess we do have quorum... 17:08:02 <zbyszek[m]> Hi, sorry for being late. 17:08:02 <music[m]> I’m here. 17:08:05 <bcotton> .hello2 17:08:06 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com> 17:08:26 <nirik> zodbot is seeing everything. deeply odd. 17:08:47 <zbyszek> zodbot sees everything. zodbot knows everything. 17:08:57 <sgallagh> .hi 17:08:58 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com> 17:08:58 <zbyszek[m]> .hello zbyszek 17:09:01 <zodbot> zbyszek[m]: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl> 17:09:02 <mhroncok> .hello churchyard 17:09:03 <mhroncok> now I don't see zodbot 17:09:04 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com> 17:09:32 <zbyszek[m]> I think it's just very laggy 17:09:32 <davide> .hello dcavalca 17:09:32 <decathorpe> at least everything shows up on the discord bridge 17:09:32 <decathorpe> 🤡 17:09:32 <zodbot> davide: dcavalca 'Davide Cavalca' <dcavalca@fb.com> 17:09:39 <dcantrell> .hello2 17:09:40 <zodbot> dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' <dcantrell@redhat.com> 17:10:04 <nirik> ok, so should I continue from irc? move to matrix? or give up computers and go buy a yak farm? 17:10:29 <zbyszek[m]> Fabio: post screenshots to facebook 17:10:30 <decathorpe> zbyszek: lemme fetch my camera 17:10:31 <zbyszek[m]> don't forget the stick 17:10:53 <dcantrell> nirik: if you buy a yak farm, I have recommendations on electric shavers 17:11:05 <nirik> cool. 17:11:40 <nirik> #topic #2817 Change proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags 17:11:40 <nirik> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2817 17:11:45 <nirik> .fesco 2817 17:11:46 <zodbot> nirik: Issue #2817: Change proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2817 17:12:15 <nirik> so, I guess we can just drop this today... since they are going to retarget f38 and get stats. 17:12:41 <zbyszek> yep 17:12:45 <nirik> #info change repointing to f38 and will give more time for gathering stats 17:12:55 <nirik> #topic #2821 Change: Deprecate openssl1.1 package 17:12:55 <nirik> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2821 17:12:59 <zbyszek[m]> nirik: I'm fine either way 17:13:03 <nirik> .fesco 2821 17:13:04 <zodbot> nirik: Issue #2821: Change: Deprecate openssl1.1 package - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2821 17:13:05 <decathorpe> > <nirik> #topic #2817 Change proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags 17:13:05 <decathorpe> > <nirik> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2817 17:13:05 <decathorpe> > <nirik> .fesco 2817 17:13:05 <decathorpe> > <zodbot> nirik: Issue #2817: Change proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2817 17:13:05 <decathorpe> > <nirik> so, I guess we can just drop this today... since they are going to retarget f38 and get stats. 17:13:38 <nirik> wow... the lag is amazing. ;) 17:13:41 <mhroncok> an avalanche of messages just happened 17:13:46 <sgallagh> Regarding 2817: We might enable it in ELN to try out there. TBD 17:14:17 <nirik> yeah, it's slowly catching up 17:14:30 <mhroncok> the current proposal is to add deprecated() provides, that's it 17:15:48 * sgallagh was +1 in the ticket 17:15:48 <decathorpe> it also mentions helping affected packages to port to OpenSSL 3.0, which is nice. 17:15:48 <zbyszek[m]> halp me 17:15:59 <mhroncok> I believe they still want to only maintain this in RHEL 8 and not in Fedora, but that has been moved to the "eventually" land (however, might as well be proposed again tomorrow). 17:16:01 <mhroncok> zbyszek[m]: ? 17:16:14 <nirik> so, provided we can all end up in the same time, shall we vote here? or vote in ticket? there were some -1's 17:16:27 <zbyszek> mhroncok: it made sense ~30 messages ago 17:16:46 <zbyszek> I posted from element and it got stuck 17:16:55 <mhroncok> ack 17:17:03 <mhroncok> my -1 changed to +1 17:17:07 <neverpanic> We're planning to eventually rebase RHEL-8 (possibly in 8.8) to the state of Fedora, and then only maintain as in RHEL. At the moment, we rebase much more often in Fedora. 17:17:41 <zbyszek> I'm +1 too 17:17:43 <music[m]> my -1 also changed to +1 17:17:54 <dcantrell> I added my +1 to the ticket 17:18:01 <mhroncok> the remaining -1 was Neal's and he's not here 17:18:07 <nirik> yep. 17:18:13 * nirik is +1 also now 17:18:33 <decathorpe> I thought we don't mix async votes from ticket and sync votes from meeting anyway? 17:18:52 <zbyszek> decathorpe: we do 17:18:53 <nirik> that does get confusing if we did. 17:18:57 <mhroncok> we have quorum. let's vote here and disregard the old votes as they were for another proposal anyway 17:19:09 <decathorpe> :D 17:19:12 <nirik> mhroncok: +1 17:19:18 <zbyszek> mhroncok: ack 17:19:29 <decathorpe> mhroncok: +1 17:19:54 <mhroncok> +1 17:20:01 <music[m]> +1 17:20:03 <dcantrell> +1 17:20:39 <mhroncok> +6,0,-0 ? 17:20:46 <nirik> yep. 17:21:18 <nirik> #agreed 2821 approved(6, 0, 0) 17:21:24 <nirik> #topic Next weeks chair 17:21:43 <nirik> who wants to ride the shifting sands of irc and matrix bridges? 17:22:04 <zbyszek> I'll be on vacation next week, can't do it, yay ;) 17:22:10 <decathorpe> IIRC, last week, sgallagh volunteered for next week- 17:23:08 <nirik> oh yeah, thats right. 17:23:16 <nirik> #info sgallagh to chair next week 17:23:21 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:23:25 <nirik> anything for open floor? 17:23:36 <nirik> #info mass rebuild begins tomorrow! 17:24:00 <zbyszek> About the "meeting the fesco" talk during Nest… 17:24:06 <zbyszek> Who will be there? 17:24:11 <zbyszek> Please respond in the ticket. 17:24:27 * nirik should be, depending on when it's scheduled exactly. 17:24:35 <sgallagh> Yes I did. Sorry, got distracted 17:24:40 <decathorpe> so long as it's not happening at the same time as the Rust Workshop, I'll be there too 17:24:44 <mhroncok> https://pagure.io/flock/issue/382 17:24:49 <sgallagh> I plan to attend 17:25:09 <sgallagh> Out of curiosity, anyone else planning to go to Fedora Hatch in Rochester this week? 17:25:10 <mhroncok> post your availability there please 17:25:15 <mhroncok> not me 17:25:25 <zbyszek> I'm going to Brno 17:25:46 <zbyszek> Brno is a bit like Rochester, no? 17:26:29 <mhroncok> Brno is to Czech Republic what Rochester is to New York? 17:27:12 <dcantrell> what would be on a Brno garbage plate? 17:27:55 <nirik> beer? 17:28:06 <dcantrell> it already is winning over Rochester 17:28:22 <nirik> and pork knuckle? 17:28:31 <nirik> anyhow, if nothing more, we can close out... 17:29:23 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone, sorry irc/matrix briding was being so anoying. ;( 17:29:25 <nirik> #endmeeting