14:01:34 <stoney> #startmeeting IRC1 14:01:34 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 2 14:01:34 2019 UTC. 14:01:34 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:01:34 <zodbot> The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:34 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:01:34 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc1' 14:01:52 <stoney> Welcome to our first IRC meeting of stage 1! 14:02:01 <Heidiellis> Hi Folks, As you may have noticed, Stoney has started our first meeting! 14:02:12 <stoney> zotbot, our meetbot, will be recording this meeting. 14:02:31 <stoney> At the end of the meeting zotbot will post this meeting to the web and will provide a link to them. 14:02:58 <stoney> The agenda for today's meeting is available here 14:03:06 <stoney> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_1 agenda 14:03:19 <Heidiellis> As you can tell, Stoney is chairing the meeting. 14:03:32 <stoney> true so.... 14:03:39 <stoney> Before I continue, let me promote one or two others to "chair" which will allow them to take over the meeting in the event that I am hit by a bus. 14:03:52 <stoney> #chair Heidiellis 14:03:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: Heidiellis stoney 14:04:02 <Heidiellis> Woo hoo! I have the power! 14:04:16 <stoney> there... now Heidiellis can take over at any time :) 14:04:18 <Heidiellis> (Clearly there is a certain informality to IRC meetings.) 14:04:33 <stoney> With that, let's move on to our first item of business 14:04:42 <stoney> #topic Introductions 14:04:58 <stoney> You'll notice that some of my lines start with #<command> 14:05:08 <stoney> these are commands to our meetbot. 14:05:16 <stoney> We'll talk more about them later. 14:05:29 <stoney> However, I would like everyone who is participating in this meeting to use the #info command to introduce themselves. 14:05:45 <stoney> Heidiellis, would you like to demonstrate? 14:05:56 <Heidiellis> Sure! 14:06:19 <Heidiellis> #info I'm Heidi Ellis, Prof. at Western New England University and I've been supporting student involvement in HFOSS since 2006 14:06:27 <stoney> Awesome, thanks! 14:06:49 <stoney> So, please #info your introduction if you will be participating in today's meeting 14:07:03 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University, one of your POSSE facilitators 14:07:08 <stevenaeola> #info I'm Steven Bradley from Durham University in the UK. I've worked here in CS for 20 years, and now I'm an associate prof (teaching). I've done a little bit of OSS before, but not HFOSS. 14:07:23 <dletarte> #info Hi, I’m Dominic Letarte form Temple University in Philadelphia. I teach Software Design and Capstone classes in the computer science department. 14:07:37 <stoney> Welcome Steven! 14:07:43 <stoney> Welcome Dominic! 14:08:22 <stoney> While we wait a few more seconds for anyone else to info up.... 14:08:25 <mmccolga> #info Michele McColgan, Associate prof at Siena College in upstate NY. I teach physics and mentor student research. I also run FLOSS Desktop for kids in my Informal STEM program. I’ve never done an open source project before. 14:08:35 <stoney> You may notice that there are more folks on the channel that will not introduce themselves. 14:08:42 <Heidiellis> Welcome Michele! 14:08:43 <stoney> Welcome Michele! 14:08:54 * Heidiellis Thinks that Stoney and I are twins! 14:08:57 <stoney> It is common on IRC for folks to lurk on a channel. 14:09:05 * stoney laughs 14:09:15 <stoney> This is nothing nefarious. It's quite normal. 14:09:33 <Heidiellis> And I made the comment using /me before the sentence. 14:09:49 <stoney> Perfect... and that brings us to our next topic 14:09:54 <stoney> # Basic IRC features 14:10:02 <stoney> #topic Basic IRC features 14:10:05 <stoney> oops :) 14:10:22 <stoney> BTW, Feel free to chat and ask questions as we go along. 14:10:26 <Heidiellis> kwebb Are you with us? 14:10:36 * stevenaeola waves to everybody 14:10:43 <stoney> awesome 14:10:49 <stoney> so to talk, just type and press enter 14:11:14 <stoney> to give a command to IRC, start your line with /<command> where <command> is something that IRC recognizes 14:11:27 <stoney> A list of IRC commands are available here 14:11:29 <mmccolga> what’s the point of / me? 14:11:34 <stoney> #link http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html IRC commands 14:11:48 <stoney> the /me <action> emotes an action 14:11:58 <stoney> so rather than "saying" something 14:12:02 <stoney> you are "doing" something 14:12:04 <Heidiellis> mmccolga, The use of "/me" is to make side comments and add emotion to a discussion 14:12:09 * stevenaeola waves with emotion that I never knew I had 14:12:12 * stoney jumps up and down in excitement 14:12:18 * Heidiellis laughs with stevenaeola 14:12:25 <stoney> This is what we had before emojis :) 14:12:35 <Heidiellis> Also note that most IRC clients use tab auto-complete. 14:12:44 <stevenaeola> How come Heidi turned red? That is real power 14:12:55 <Heidiellis> So you can start typing the person's nick and hit tab and will auto complete. 14:12:59 <Heidiellis> I have the power! 14:12:59 <stoney> Ah, and now you have discovered another feature! 14:13:12 <stoney> when you put someone's nick in a line, it pings them 14:13:27 <stoney> by ping i mean: flashes, makes a noise, highlights, etc. 14:13:31 * Heidiellis doesn't know why she got lucky and got the color red. 14:13:33 <stoney> it depends on the client 14:13:42 <stoney> but it generally gets someone's attention 14:14:08 <stoney> you can also change your nick with /nick <newnickname> 14:14:40 <stoneyjackson> if it doesn't work, it might be that someone has what you want 14:15:04 <Heidiellis> I'm "Heidiellis" because someone has registered "Heidi" as their nick. 14:15:21 <stoney> it's common for folks to indicate that they are away from the keyboard by appending _afk or just _ to their nick 14:15:42 <stoney_afk> you can still talk and receive messages 14:15:55 <stoney_afk> but it just indicates to others that you may not be paying attention 14:16:14 <Heidiellis> Note that stoney color changes when he is "afk" 14:16:32 <stoney> that's interesting... that must be your client 14:16:55 <stoney> so how is everyone doing so far? 14:17:03 <stoney> what questions do you have? 14:17:14 * stevenaeola smiles knowingly and nods in agreement 14:17:26 <stoney> awesome :) 14:17:48 <dletarte> good for me. 14:17:51 <MicheleMcColgan> :) 14:17:58 <stoney> ok, then let's move on to the next topic 14:18:04 <stoney> #topic Meetbot 14:18:18 <stoney> By default, IRC is not recorded. 14:18:30 <stoney> Individuals sitting on a channel could use their client to save the transcript of an IRC. 14:18:39 <stoney> But IRC itself does not keep a record. 14:18:50 <stoney> A meetbot, is a program that sits on a channel and will record meetings for you. 14:19:01 <stoney> It will produce a full transcript 14:19:13 <stoney> and it will also create a summary 14:19:33 <stoney> When we use commands like #topic, #info, and #link, we are asking the meetbot to make a note of those lines in the summary 14:20:06 <stoney> when we are done with the meeting, I encourage you to look at the minutes that it produces to get a better idea 14:20:20 <Heidiellis> In fact, the minutes for all past POSSE IRC meetings are posted here: 14:20:23 <Heidiellis> #link https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/foss2serve/ 14:20:32 <stoney> here is a list of some of the commands 14:20:43 <stoney> #linke http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html meetbot commands 14:20:49 <stoney> awesome, thanks heidi! 14:21:30 <stoney> #link http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html meetbot commands 14:21:39 <stoney> sorry... messed up my #link 14:21:59 <stoney> any questions about the meetbot? 14:22:20 <stevenaeola> Thanks I'm good 14:22:24 <stoney> :) 14:22:57 <stoney> OK, time for the penultimate agenda item... 14:23:09 <stoney> #topic HFOSS Projects 14:23:30 <stoney> Heidiellis can you help us out in this section? 14:23:56 <Heidiellis> Sure! 14:24:51 <Heidiellis> One of the cool things about working with students and HFOSS is the learning that can happen. 14:25:05 <Heidiellis> Learning that happens directly from the HFOSS community. 14:25:30 <Heidiellis> However, finding a community (note I said "community", not "project") can be difficult. 14:25:53 <Heidiellis> We have asked you to start looking at a few communities as part of your stage 1 activities 14:26:00 <stoney> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Communities 14:26:37 <Heidiellis> In future meetings we will talk a bit more about communities and answer questions. 14:27:00 <Heidiellis> And you will be asked to pick a community that you might be interested in joining. 14:27:23 <Heidiellis> There is no obligation here. We'd just like folks to look into the communities and gain some understanding. 14:28:02 <Heidiellis> We have found that POSSE participants start thinking that they'll work with one community and then change communities over time. 14:28:45 <Heidiellis> We currently have three communities listed on the page that Stoney provided. 14:28:54 <stoney> goodness knows I've changed a few times :) 14:29:11 <Heidiellis> There is also a multi-institutional effort to start a Libre Food Pantry. 14:29:20 <Heidiellis> This would be a university-founded efforts. 14:29:20 <stevenaeola> Are we looking for communities that we are interested in personally, or those we think our students would engage with best? 14:29:26 <Heidiellis> Either 14:29:38 <stoney> #link https://github.com/LibreFoodPantry/ 14:29:51 <Heidiellis> You're looking for a community that your students would enjoy, but also one that you can interact with. 14:30:00 <stevenaeola> OK thanks 14:30:22 <Heidiellis> And we are focused on humanitarian communities because, due to their altruistic nature, they tend to be welcoming to newbies. 14:30:27 <Heidiellis> Especially students. 14:30:55 <Heidiellis> Other questions on projects? 14:31:53 <stevenaeola> We're choosing from the (short) list of communities rather than the (long) list of projects on the linked page #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Projects ? 14:32:23 <Heidiellis> Either is fine. We provide the short list because sometimes several participants will organize around one project. 14:32:32 <Heidiellis> And that allows collaboration both at POSSE and beyond. 14:32:43 <Heidiellis> So we steer folks towards the shorter list. 14:32:52 <Heidiellis> Those are also projects with which we have more experience. 14:33:09 <Heidiellis> But we understand that you may have a reason to choose a different project. 14:33:16 <MicheleMcColgan> What makes something HFOSS? For example, we are using Sugar for our FLOSS Desktops program. That’s part of the OLPC program. Seems like that would be a HFOSS project. 14:33:31 <Heidiellis> Things like programming language or technologies can drive the decision. 14:33:43 <Heidiellis> MicheleMcColgan, we use a broad umbrella for HFOSS. 14:33:54 <Heidiellis> Yes, Sugar definitely counts as it is education. 14:34:04 <MicheleMcColgan> okay, thanks 14:34:14 <Heidiellis> MicheleMcColgan, Do you interact with Steve Jacobs at RIT at all? 14:34:19 <MicheleMcColgan> nope 14:34:21 <Heidiellis> He has students who contribute to Sugar as well. 14:34:30 <MicheleMcColgan> cool! We have lots of questions 14:34:40 <Heidiellis> Feel free to drop me an email and I can put you in touch with him if you'd like, 14:34:50 <MicheleMcColgan> yes, I will 14:35:30 <stoney> awesome.... love to see connections forming! :) 14:35:58 <MicheleMcColgan> thanks, Heidi! 14:36:09 <stoney> other thoughts or questions about projects? 14:36:51 <stoney> hearing none... 14:37:02 <stoney> #topic Good of the order 14:37:20 <stoney> Please remember to log your progress in the spreadsheet - your feedback is always valued 14:37:37 <Heidiellis> Yes! 14:37:56 <Heidiellis> And if we don't see you logging in the spreadsheet, we become concerned about participation. 14:38:13 <MicheleMcColgan> I’ll update my progress today. 14:38:26 <stoney> perfect, thanks MicheleMcColgan ! 14:38:40 <stoney> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HvgclSLZE4f1fDrw9S7ywP6MrMsAaWjWXATQ3W7H3Wg/edit?usp=drive_open&ouid=113063810837422988197 14:38:43 <stevenaeola> Should we put this IRC chat in the spreadsheet? 14:39:08 <stoney> we're taking roll... but what about feedback Heidiellis ? 14:39:33 <Heidiellis> Mostly we're just looking to see if folks have completed each of the stage 1 exercises. 14:39:48 <Heidiellis> And we use the feedback to identify areas that need updating. 14:40:29 <Heidiellis> The other thing to note about the stage 1 activities is that you can go down a rabbit hole on some of them and spend hours. 14:40:35 <Heidiellis> That is NOT the intent. 14:40:51 <Heidiellis> So please don't feel like you need to spend hours on the activities. 14:41:12 <Heidiellis> You could easily spend 4 hours on Project Evaluation as figuring out how a project works is complex. 14:41:27 <stoney> right... each activity has a timebox, try to stay within that... unless you are just having too much fun :) 14:41:29 <Heidiellis> But we don't expect that. Just spend 30-45 minutes on that activity. 14:41:51 * Heidiellis thinks that Stoney is much more succinct than she is! 14:42:30 <stoney> OK... I think that's it 14:42:35 <stoney> motion to adjourn? 14:42:50 * stevenaeola raises hand 14:43:09 <stoney> ok... talk to you all soon! 14:43:13 <stoney> #endmeeting