#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:33

!startmeeting Alterative Images (2024-04-11)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:34

Meeting started at 2024-04-11 19:00:33 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:34

The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2024-04-11)'

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:43

!meetingname AltImages

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:00:48

!hi

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:49

!topic aloha

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:00:49

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:58

Hi Michel Lind 🎩

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:01:06

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:01:08

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:01:51

Hi Davide Cavalca

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:02:26

Hopefully we get everything done before you have to leave.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:02:35

And have fun at TXLF

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:03:11

Davide Duncan said he'll come, I'll ping him

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:03:11

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:03:14

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:21

Hi Conan Kudo

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:03:33

I'm airborne on my way to Austin

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:04

Cool

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:04:15

Thankfully the Wi-Fi works

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:26

I wonder if Robby Callicotte is going to make it today, or if he's on his way to TXLF also.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:05:10

!topic Latest News

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:05:35

I think most everyone here has heard last months news, but I'll resay it for the meeting record.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:06:09

We have added 4 new Live images - Cinnamon, Mate, XFCE, and MAX

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:06:26

MAX has all the other live desktops, plus a couple others.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:06:43

We have also had our first quarterly update.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:07

And I got a script written that makes it easy to build/rebuild the images.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:26

!link https://mirror.stream.centos.org/SIGs/9-stream/altimages/images/live/

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:07:31

Oh? I might want to steal that for Hyperscale

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

19:07:41

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:07:42

Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:51

I also updated the images page, with the new images.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:57

Hi jonathanspw

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:08:12

!link https://sigs.centos.org/altimages/images/

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:08:56

Sweet

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:08:59

I put the script in a scripts directory, here - https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/blob/main/f/docs/scripts/build_alt_images.sh

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:09:37

I think with just a little tweaking it should work for hyperscale.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:09:57

I've talked to shaunm about putting it in the front page once legacy CentOS is off the site, he seems amenable to that

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:10:45

It even waits for the pagure and gitlab repo's to sync, so if you are making changes, you don't accidentaly get the wrong image.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:11:15

That's awesome

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:12:40

I also talked to shaunm , he's going to be ordering some 4G centos usb's. And it looks like MAX should fit on them. It's 3.8G.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:12:54

Oh FYI davdunc

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:13:39

I think that's all the news I have for this past month.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:14:16

Does anyone else have any past news, or should we move on to what's next?

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

19:14:30

Thanks

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:14:39

Hi davdunc

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:15:21

!topic What Next

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:16:17

davdunc: do a ! followed by hi so you get registered as a meeting participant :)

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

19:16:26

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:16:27

David Duncan (davdunc) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:17:16

On the subject of updates. I know I asked this on the Matrix channel, but I'll ask it here for officialdom. Cleaning up old images. Are we ok keeping just N and N-1 ?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:17:30

Meaning, the latest, and one image back.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:18:18

I wanted to get everyone's +1 before I put that on the site.

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:18:22

How constrained are we on space?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:18:33

I think that's fine. I also think we should reset at the first compose each year.

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:19:03

I'd probably try to keep N-2 too if possible, sometimes regressions aren't immediately visible and it can be handy to have for comparison

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:19:40

I guess N-2 is ok as long as Fabian says it's ok.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:19:41

how often do we release images? and right now we don't clean up at all I guess

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:19:56

definitely at least every time a new X.Y is out :)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:20:06

Conan Kudo: I was going to ask you about that. Why do you want to reset at the first compose of each year?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:20:09

Keep in mind all images are still on CBS

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:20:15

(other option is moving stuff to vault)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:20:49

We are creating images just once a quarter (every 3 months)

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:21:07

Oh you're right, I forgot about CBS. That addresses my concern then, assuming those artifacts are not expired.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:21:11

Unless there is something critical causing an update out of the regular schedule.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:21:15

We don't have a good way to do vault stuff

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:22:18

if it's every 3 months then yeah N to N-2 will definitely cover at least one X.Y so ... I'm good with that

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:22:33

Cleanliness mainly, I'm also thinking about what happens when we shift over to a new CentOS release.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:22:41

OK, I'm good with N to N-2.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:23:54

when we start doing CentOS Stream 10 images those will be in a different area, https://mirror.stream.centos.org/SIGs/10-stream/altimages/images/live/

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:24:09

Note, that link isn't there yet.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:24:41

The stream 10 images won't be in the same directory, so it will be easy to tell them apart.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:25:31

Yes, but it's still storage pressure

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:25:55

For mirrors

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:26:00

Yep, we'll have to have a talk with Fabian when we start doing Stream 10 images.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:26:43

Fabian gets a breathing room when stream 8 EOLs :)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:26:49

wait, we don't do Stream 8 images do we

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:27:20

nope

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:27:48

so our storage usage would /double/ once we have 10

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:28:07

Currently our images add up to 13.3Gig per update.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:28:55

It's possible we might get another image, so let's say it's 15Gig per update.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:29:15

That starts adding up when we do N-2.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:30:52

So ya ... as much as I want to do N to N-2, I think we'll have to talk to Fabian about it. If he's ok with it, then I'm good with it.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:32:33

I do have another "what's next" item if we're done with this subject. Does anyone have anything more?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:32:36

Hyperscale is going to be much more, so I'm inclined to only keep the latest per CentOS release

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:33:14

Oh ya ... hyperscale images. Maybe we need to talk to him together, as both SIG's.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:35:08

So, I'm hoping to get my MIN image still.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:35:37

I was thinking about trying something with no graphics, just a terminal login, and terminal based install.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:36:27

I'm not positive how many people would want that ... and I'm not sure how easy that would be to do ... but I'm just curious about doing it.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:36:34

for HS we might reduce the usage by only doing the latest CentOS ?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:36:39

I've made progress on Weston

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:36:46

but yeah keeping the latest, or latest and N-1, might work too

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:37:25

I'm going to get it upgraded in EPEL 9 soon and also add configuration to livesys-scripts

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:38:10

Conan Kudo: Cool ... cuz what's in epel9 right now is good to verify graphics work, but not much else.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:39:03

Yeah

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:39:04

How often are you going to be doing updates on Hyperscale?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:40:56

!topic Open Floor

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:41:17

Do we have anything for Open Floor?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:41:35

Granted, our "what's next" was basically an open floor ... but now it's more formal.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:44:08

Sounds like we're all good. Time to call it a meeting, and let everyone get to TXLF.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:44:27

Thank you all for coming and the good discussion.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:44:52

I'll talk to you next month, on May 9th.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:45:15

!endmeeting