2024-04-11 19:00:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting Alterative Images (2024-04-11)
2024-04-11 19:00:34 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-04-11 19:00:33 UTC
2024-04-11 19:00:34 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2024-04-11)'
2024-04-11 19:00:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname AltImages
2024-04-11 19:00:48 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2024-04-11 19:00:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2024-04-11 19:00:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2024-04-11 19:00:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Michel Lind 🎩 
2024-04-11 19:01:06 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2024-04-11 19:01:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2024-04-11 19:01:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Davide Cavalca 
2024-04-11 19:02:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hopefully we get everything done before you have to leave.
2024-04-11 19:02:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> And have fun at TXLF
2024-04-11 19:03:11 <@salimma:fedora.im> Davide Duncan said he'll come, I'll ping him
2024-04-11 19:03:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-04-11 19:03:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-04-11 19:03:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo 
2024-04-11 19:03:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm airborne on my way to Austin
2024-04-11 19:04:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Cool
2024-04-11 19:04:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Thankfully the Wi-Fi works
2024-04-11 19:04:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I wonder if Robby Callicotte is going to make it today, or if he's on his way to TXLF also.
2024-04-11 19:05:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Latest News
2024-04-11 19:05:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think most everyone here has heard last months news, but I'll resay it for the meeting record.
2024-04-11 19:06:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We have added 4 new Live images - Cinnamon, Mate, XFCE, and MAX
2024-04-11 19:06:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> MAX has all the other live desktops, plus a couple others.
2024-04-11 19:06:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We have also had our first quarterly update.
2024-04-11 19:07:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> And I got a script written that makes it easy to build/rebuild the images.
2024-04-11 19:07:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://mirror.stream.centos.org/SIGs/9-stream/altimages/images/live/
2024-04-11 19:07:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Oh? I might want to steal that for Hyperscale
2024-04-11 19:07:41 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> !hi
2024-04-11 19:07:42 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)
2024-04-11 19:07:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I also updated the images page, with the new images.
2024-04-11 19:07:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi jonathanspw 
2024-04-11 19:08:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://sigs.centos.org/altimages/images/
2024-04-11 19:08:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Sweet
2024-04-11 19:08:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I put the script in a  scripts directory, here - https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/blob/main/f/docs/scripts/build_alt_images.sh
2024-04-11 19:09:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think with just a little tweaking it should work for hyperscale.
2024-04-11 19:09:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I've talked to shaunm about putting it in the front page once legacy CentOS is off the site, he seems amenable to that
2024-04-11 19:10:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It even waits for the pagure and gitlab repo's to sync, so if you are making changes, you don't accidentaly get the wrong image.
2024-04-11 19:11:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> That's awesome
2024-04-11 19:12:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I also talked to shaunm , he's going to be ordering some 4G centos usb's.  And it looks like MAX should fit on them.  It's 3.8G.
2024-04-11 19:12:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Oh FYI davdunc
2024-04-11 19:13:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think that's all the news I have for this past month.
2024-04-11 19:14:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone else have any past news, or should we move on to what's next?
2024-04-11 19:14:30 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Thanks
2024-04-11 19:14:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi davdunc 
2024-04-11 19:15:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic What Next
2024-04-11 19:16:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> davdunc: do a ! followed by hi so you get registered as a meeting participant :)
2024-04-11 19:16:26 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !hi
2024-04-11 19:16:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> David Duncan (davdunc) - he / him / his
2024-04-11 19:17:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> On the subject of updates.  I know I asked this on the Matrix channel, but I'll ask it here for officialdom.  Cleaning up old images.  Are we ok keeping just N and N-1 ?
2024-04-11 19:17:30 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Meaning, the latest, and one image back.
2024-04-11 19:18:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I wanted to get everyone's +1 before I put that on the site.
2024-04-11 19:18:22 <@davide:cavalca.name> How constrained are we on space?
2024-04-11 19:18:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think that's fine. I also think we should reset at the first compose each year.
2024-04-11 19:19:03 <@davide:cavalca.name> I'd probably try to keep N-2 too if possible, sometimes regressions aren't immediately visible and it can be handy to have for comparison 
2024-04-11 19:19:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I guess N-2 is ok as long as Fabian says it's ok.
2024-04-11 19:19:41 <@salimma:fedora.im> how often do we release images? and right now we don't clean up at all I guess
2024-04-11 19:19:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> definitely at least every time a new X.Y is out :)
2024-04-11 19:20:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: I was going to ask you about that.  Why do you want to reset at the first compose of each year?
2024-04-11 19:20:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Keep in mind all images are still on CBS
2024-04-11 19:20:15 <@davide:cavalca.name> (other option is moving stuff to vault)
2024-04-11 19:20:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We are creating images just once a quarter (every 3 months)
2024-04-11 19:21:07 <@davide:cavalca.name> Oh you're right, I forgot about CBS. That addresses my concern then, assuming those artifacts are not expired.
2024-04-11 19:21:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Unless there is something critical causing an update out of the regular schedule.
2024-04-11 19:21:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> We don't have a good way to do vault stuff
2024-04-11 19:22:18 <@salimma:fedora.im> if it's every 3 months then yeah N to N-2 will definitely cover at least one X.Y so ... I'm good with that
2024-04-11 19:22:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Cleanliness mainly, I'm also thinking about what happens when we shift over to a new CentOS release.
2024-04-11 19:22:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, I'm good with N to N-2.
2024-04-11 19:23:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> when we start doing CentOS Stream 10 images those will be in a different area,  https://mirror.stream.centos.org/SIGs/10-stream/altimages/images/live/
2024-04-11 19:24:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Note, that link isn't there yet.
2024-04-11 19:24:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The stream 10 images won't be in the same directory, so it will be easy to tell them apart.
2024-04-11 19:25:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Yes, but it's still storage pressure
2024-04-11 19:25:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> For mirrors
2024-04-11 19:26:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep, we'll have to have a talk with Fabian when we start doing Stream 10 images.
2024-04-11 19:26:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> Fabian gets a breathing room when stream 8 EOLs :)
2024-04-11 19:26:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> wait, we don't do Stream 8 images do we
2024-04-11 19:27:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> nope
2024-04-11 19:27:48 <@salimma:fedora.im> so our storage usage would /double/ once we have 10
2024-04-11 19:28:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Currently our images add up to 13.3Gig per update.  
2024-04-11 19:28:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It's possible we might get another image, so let's say it's 15Gig per update.
2024-04-11 19:29:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That starts adding up when we do N-2.
2024-04-11 19:30:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So ya ... as much as I want to do N to N-2, I think we'll have to talk to Fabian about it.  If he's ok with it, then I'm good with it.
2024-04-11 19:32:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I do have another "what's next" item if we're done with this subject.  Does anyone have anything more?
2024-04-11 19:32:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Hyperscale is going to be much more, so I'm inclined to only keep the latest per CentOS release
2024-04-11 19:33:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh ya ... hyperscale images.  Maybe we need to talk to him together, as both SIG's.
2024-04-11 19:35:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, I'm hoping to get my MIN image still.
2024-04-11 19:35:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I was thinking about trying something with no graphics, just a terminal login, and terminal based install.
2024-04-11 19:36:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm not positive how many people would want that ... and I'm not sure how easy that would be to do ... but I'm just curious about doing it.
2024-04-11 19:36:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> for HS we might reduce the usage by only doing the latest CentOS ?
2024-04-11 19:36:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I've made progress on Weston
2024-04-11 19:36:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> but yeah keeping the latest, or latest and N-1, might work too
2024-04-11 19:37:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm going to get it upgraded in EPEL 9 soon and also add configuration to livesys-scripts
2024-04-11 19:38:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: Cool ... cuz what's in epel9 right now is good to verify graphics work, but not much else.
2024-04-11 19:39:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Yeah
2024-04-11 19:39:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> How often are you going to be doing updates on Hyperscale?
2024-04-11 19:40:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2024-04-11 19:41:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Do we have anything for Open Floor?
2024-04-11 19:41:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Granted, our "what's next" was basically an open floor ... but now it's more formal.
2024-04-11 19:44:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sounds like we're all good.  Time to call it a meeting, and let everyone get to TXLF.
2024-04-11 19:44:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for coming and the good discussion.
2024-04-11 19:44:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to you next month, on May 9th.
2024-04-11 19:45:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting