#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:27

!startmeeting Alterative Images (2024-04-11)

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:03:28

I'm too early oops!

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:03:29

Meeting started at 2024-05-09 19:03:27 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:03:29

The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2024-04-11)'

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:03:35

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:03:37

Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:37

!meetingname AltImages

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:44

!topic aloha

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:03:57

!hi

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:59

Hi Robby Callicotte

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:08

Sorry for starting late.

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:04:28

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:31

It was one of those "I'll just do this real quick" moments.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:50

Hi Neil Hanlon

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:04:58

haha I hear ya

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:05:09

me all today basically

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:05:29

I don't know how many people we are going to get today, I think everyone else is at Red Hat Summit.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:05:48

Yeah I think you are right

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:06:24

But, I guess I'll start.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:06:34

!topic Latest News

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:06:58

I don't have anything since the last meeting, other than using the images he have here and there.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:11

I don't have anything since the last meeting, other than using the images we have here and there.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:44

Did anyone else do anything last month? Relating to Alternative Images?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:08:12

I guess we got mentioned a couple of times at LinuxFestNW ... but no talks about us.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:08:41

I was looking into kiwi a bit more but have not actually done anything worth mentioning.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:09:13

!topic Whats Next

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:09:37

I think I'll have more time this month to work on things.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:09:56

I wanted to try to build a MIN image ... and have it be text based, no graphics.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:10:14

Does that appeal to anyone?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:10:26

Troy is there any existing documentation on how to do that?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:10:32

I'm interested

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:10:46

No, other than the code.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:11:34

ok. I can take a crack at it. I might bug you and or Conan Kudo with questions

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:11:38

It looks like it can be done. Getting anaconda started looks a little harder, unless we have that text based as well.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:12:35

I've done custom ISO builds in the past with lorax, but this would be using kiwi correct?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:12:46

Correct.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:13:12

I have a small related update -- the rocky 9.4 image artifacts are built 84% with kiwi! :)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:13:22

The main scenario I have for this is where you boot something up, and all you want to do is ssh into the machine, or something like that.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:13:38

Neil Hanlon: That is cool.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:13:53

How did you, or the team that did it, find working with kiwi?

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:14:06

have found it a really pleasant experience

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:14:26

got help from the kiwi folks for some s390x stuff, too

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:16:14

Sorry for the quiet ... I'm back.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:16:57

Ya, once I got the mindset figured out, it just ... sorta works.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:17:26

there are a few things that I don't quite grok yet, but.. more time will fix that

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:17:43

e.g. sometimes I tell it to install a package, it recognizes this, and then never installs it 😹

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:18:01

until i add patternType=plusRecommended or w/e

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:19:09

Ya ... that's always the odd thing, but if you dance within the rules, yep.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:19:38

I attended part of the kiwi workshop at LinuxFestNW and finally figured out how to build things locally.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:20:07

did they publish any videos of that session?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:20:20

No, because it was a workshop.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:20:27

the other thing i need to resolve is for my Vagrant VirtualBox images, which i think i need to use the boxbuild plugin to do, in order to match the kernel

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:20:34

ugh :(

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:21:34

They published alot of sessions, but my favorite talk I did (How to Open Source as Shirt) the microphone didn't get turned on ... so there was no audio. :(

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:22:25

That sucks. I'm sorry. The perils of AV

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:22:32

Yep

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:23:11

I'll just have to give it again somewhere ... but only the close conferences can I give away penguins.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:23:16

ugh :( that sucks

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:23:25

Anyway ... getting back to Alternative Images ...

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:24:03

I'm starting to reach out to the other SIG's to see if they want us to build their images in our quarterly image rebuild.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:24:37

Right now that's really only to Hyperscale ... and they said they were going to discuss it in their meetings.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:25:04

Automotive has a completely different way to create images, for now.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:26:34

I spoke to Davide Cavalca at TXLF about the possibilities of getting openQA set up in the CentOS world. Would that be something would benifit us here?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:27:03

Yes, if that is something that could test our images, that would be wonderful.

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:27:27

We'll want to work with the CentOS Integration SIG on that

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:27:56

I can reach out to them

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:28:14

that'd be excellent

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:30:05

Ya ... right now I'm manually doing testing, and it isn't a terrible lot. I just download the images, make sure they boot, make sure they install, make sure the install boots.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:30:27

It's not nothing, but it could be automated.

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:31:06

Yeah openqa is perfect for these kind of things

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:33:09

Sorry for the pause, I was writting that in my notes.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:33:26

!topic Open Floor

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:33:36

I guess we've sorta been on open floor most of the time.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:33:49

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:33:51

Anything else we wanted to talk about?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:34:48

Is Alexsandra who you would talk to on the Integration SIG?

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:36:08

She's the sig chair yeah. I'd expect this to require some help from infra. But we should be able to use cloud workers for openqa soon which will make things a lot easier

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:36:50

That will be nice.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:37:36

I'll reach out and update everyone with any ticket info etc

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:38:14

Robby Callicotte: Thank you.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:38:42

Anything else?

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:39:00

not from I

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:39:16

nothing else from me

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:40:02

Thank ya'll for coming.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:40:14

I'll talk to you next month, if not sooner.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:40:25

!endmeeting