2024-05-09 19:03:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting Alterative Images (2024-04-11)
2024-05-09 19:03:28 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I'm too early oops!
2024-05-09 19:03:29 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-05-09 19:03:27 UTC
2024-05-09 19:03:29 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2024-04-11)'
2024-05-09 19:03:35 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi
2024-05-09 19:03:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
2024-05-09 19:03:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname AltImages
2024-05-09 19:03:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha

2024-05-09 19:03:57 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi 
2024-05-09 19:03:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Robby Callicotte 
2024-05-09 19:04:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry for starting late.
2024-05-09 19:04:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2024-05-09 19:04:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It was one of those "I'll just do this real quick" moments.
2024-05-09 19:04:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Neil Hanlon 
2024-05-09 19:04:58 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> haha I hear ya
2024-05-09 19:05:09 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> me all today basically
2024-05-09 19:05:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't know how many people we are going to get today, I think everyone else is at Red Hat Summit.
2024-05-09 19:05:48 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Yeah I think you are right
2024-05-09 19:06:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But, I guess I'll start.
2024-05-09 19:06:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Latest News
2024-05-09 19:06:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't have anything since the last meeting, other than using the images he have here and there.
2024-05-09 19:07:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't have anything since the last meeting, other than using the images we have here and there.
2024-05-09 19:07:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Did anyone else do anything last month?  Relating to Alternative Images?
2024-05-09 19:08:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I guess we got mentioned a couple of times at LinuxFestNW ... but no talks about us.
2024-05-09 19:08:41 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I was looking into kiwi a bit more but have not actually done anything worth mentioning.
2024-05-09 19:09:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Whats Next
2024-05-09 19:09:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think I'll have more time this month to work on things.
2024-05-09 19:09:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I wanted to try to build a MIN image ... and have it be text based, no graphics.
2024-05-09 19:10:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does that appeal to anyone?
2024-05-09 19:10:26 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Troy is there any existing documentation on how to do that?
2024-05-09 19:10:32 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I'm interested
2024-05-09 19:10:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> No, other than the code.
2024-05-09 19:11:34 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> ok.  I can take a crack at it.  I might bug you and or Conan Kudo with questions 
2024-05-09 19:11:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It looks like it can be done.   Getting anaconda started looks a little harder, unless we have that text based as well.
2024-05-09 19:12:35 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I've done custom ISO builds in the past with lorax, but this would be using kiwi correct?
2024-05-09 19:12:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Correct.
2024-05-09 19:13:12 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> I have a small related update -- the rocky 9.4 image artifacts are built 84% with kiwi! :) 
2024-05-09 19:13:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The main scenario I have for this is where you boot something up, and all you want to do is ssh into the machine, or something like that.
2024-05-09 19:13:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon: That is cool.
2024-05-09 19:13:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> How did you, or the team that did it, find working with kiwi?
2024-05-09 19:14:06 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> have found it a really pleasant experience
2024-05-09 19:14:26 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> got help from the kiwi folks for some s390x stuff, too
2024-05-09 19:16:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry for the quiet ... I'm back.
2024-05-09 19:16:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ya, once I got the mindset figured out, it just ... sorta works.
2024-05-09 19:17:26 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> there are a few things that I don't quite grok yet, but.. more time will fix that 
2024-05-09 19:17:43 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> e.g. sometimes I tell it to install a package, it recognizes this, and then never installs it 😹
2024-05-09 19:18:01 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> until i add patternType=plusRecommended or w/e
2024-05-09 19:19:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ya ... that's always the odd thing, but if you dance within the rules, yep.
2024-05-09 19:19:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I attended part of the kiwi workshop at LinuxFestNW and finally figured out how to build things locally.
2024-05-09 19:20:07 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> did they publish any videos of that session?

2024-05-09 19:20:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> No, because it was a workshop.
2024-05-09 19:20:27 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> the other thing i need to resolve is for my Vagrant VirtualBox images, which i think i need to use the boxbuild plugin to do, in order to match the kernel
2024-05-09 19:20:34 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> ugh :(
2024-05-09 19:21:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> They published alot of sessions, but my favorite talk I did (How to Open Source as Shirt) the microphone didn't get turned on ... so there was no audio.  :(
2024-05-09 19:22:25 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> That sucks. I'm sorry.  The perils of AV
2024-05-09 19:22:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep
2024-05-09 19:23:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll just have to give it again somewhere ... but only the close conferences can I give away penguins.
2024-05-09 19:23:16 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> ugh :( that sucks
2024-05-09 19:23:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anyway ... getting back to Alternative Images ...
2024-05-09 19:24:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm starting to reach out to the other SIG's to see if they want us to build their images in our quarterly image rebuild.
2024-05-09 19:24:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Right now that's really only to Hyperscale ... and they said they were going to discuss it in their meetings.
2024-05-09 19:25:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Automotive has a completely different way to create images, for now.
2024-05-09 19:26:34 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I spoke to Davide Cavalca at TXLF about the possibilities of getting openQA set up in the CentOS world.  Would that be something would benifit us here?
2024-05-09 19:27:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yes, if that is something that could test our images, that would be wonderful.
2024-05-09 19:27:27 <@davide:cavalca.name> We'll want to work with the CentOS Integration SIG on that
2024-05-09 19:27:56 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I can reach out to them
2024-05-09 19:28:14 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> that'd be excellent
2024-05-09 19:30:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ya ... right now I'm manually doing testing, and it isn't a terrible lot.  I just download the images, make sure they boot, make sure they install, make sure the install boots.
2024-05-09 19:30:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It's not nothing, but it could be automated.
2024-05-09 19:31:06 <@davide:cavalca.name> Yeah openqa is perfect for these kind of things 
2024-05-09 19:33:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry for the pause, I was writting that in my notes.
2024-05-09 19:33:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2024-05-09 19:33:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I guess we've sorta been on open floor most of the time.
2024-05-09 19:33:49 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> :)
2024-05-09 19:33:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anything else we wanted to talk about?
2024-05-09 19:34:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is Alexsandra who you would talk to on the Integration SIG?
2024-05-09 19:36:08 <@davide:cavalca.name> She's the sig chair yeah. I'd expect this to require some help from infra. But we should be able to use cloud workers for openqa soon which will make things a lot easier 
2024-05-09 19:36:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That will be nice.
2024-05-09 19:37:36 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I'll reach out and update everyone with any ticket info etc
2024-05-09 19:38:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte: Thank you.  
2024-05-09 19:38:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anything else?
2024-05-09 19:39:00 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> not from I
2024-05-09 19:39:16 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> nothing else from me
2024-05-09 19:40:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank ya'll for coming. 
2024-05-09 19:40:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to you next month, if not sooner.
2024-05-09 19:40:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting