2024-03-27 16:02:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !startmeeting CentOS Hyperscale SIG
2024-03-27 16:02:23 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-03-27 16:02:21 UTC
2024-03-27 16:02:23 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'CentOS Hyperscale SIG'
2024-03-27 16:02:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Roll call
2024-03-27 16:02:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2024-03-27 16:02:38 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2024-03-27 16:02:38 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2024-03-27 16:02:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2024-03-27 16:02:42 <@rcolebaugh:matrix.org> !hi
2024-03-27 16:02:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-03-27 16:02:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Raymond Colebaugh (rcolebaugh) - he / him / his
2024-03-27 16:02:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-03-27 16:03:01 <@salimma:fedora.im> I wonder if you really have to misspell help
2024-03-27 16:03:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> !help
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2024-03-27 16:03:05 <@salimma:fedora.im> !halp
2024-03-27 16:03:14 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> !hi
2024-03-27 16:03:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)
2024-03-27 16:03:17 <@anitazha:matrix.org> !hi
2024-03-27 16:03:18 <@salimma:fedora.im> so... halp does not actually work? huh
2024-03-27 16:03:21 <@salimma:fedora.im> or it's rate limited
2024-03-27 16:03:22 <@salimma:fedora.im> !halp
2024-03-27 16:03:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Anita Zhang (anitazha) - she / her / hers
2024-03-27 16:03:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yay boogs
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2024-03-27 16:03:35 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2024-03-27 16:03:38 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2024-03-27 16:03:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, that looks like a bug. help works, but does not show the reply. halp shows the acknowledgement emoji but does nothing
2024-03-27 16:04:03 <@salimma:fedora.im> where do we report this :P
2024-03-27 16:04:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> https://github.com/GregSutcliffe/maubot-meetings
2024-03-27 16:04:52 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> !hi
2024-03-27 16:04:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Matteo Croce (teknoraver) - he / him / his
2024-03-27 16:05:48 <@aekoroglu:matrix.org> !hi
2024-03-27 16:05:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Ali Erdinc Koroglu (aekoroglu)
2024-03-27 16:06:06 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> heya Ali 
2024-03-27 16:06:38 <@aekoroglu:matrix.org> hello Neil :)
2024-03-27 16:07:04 <@rrbc:matrix.org> !hi
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2024-03-27 16:08:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> apparently the suggestion is to file it in fedora-infra - https://github.com/GregSutcliffe/maubot-meetings/issues/41
2024-03-27 16:08:07 <@davide:cavalca.name> Roberto Campesato: you need to add your matrix id to FAS for that to work
2024-03-27 16:10:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/fedora-infra/matrix-bots/issues/19
2024-03-27 16:12:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think that's enough waiting, so...
2024-03-27 16:12:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> anyway, we should actually start the meeting
2024-03-27 16:12:23 <@salimma:fedora.im> jinx
2024-03-27 16:12:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> heh
2024-03-27 16:12:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> let's start with...
2024-03-27 16:12:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Followups
2024-03-27 16:13:05 <@salimma:fedora.im> I have one
2024-03-27 16:13:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> For those doing to RH summit the deadline for submitting a community demo is this Friday. I'm thinking of showcasing a GNOME rebuild
2024-03-27 16:14:08 <@salimma:fedora.im> Ideally installable but if we don't get to that that's ok too 
2024-03-27 16:14:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I was thinking of CentOS Hyperscale KDE and a cloud image
2024-03-27 16:14:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> with all the work Fedora-side I will backport to our descriptions, I should be able to achieve that much
2024-03-27 16:14:44 <@salimma:fedora.im> Should this be one talk? Or two
2024-03-27 16:14:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> probably one
2024-03-27 16:15:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if you've got the gnome rebuild in place too, we can showcase it alongside the hyperscale kde
2024-03-27 16:15:21 <@salimma:fedora.im> Yeah. Sounds good
2024-03-27 16:15:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it will probably displace our regular hyperscale gnome variant anyway
2024-03-27 16:15:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> You're submitting it or should I? Let's take this to Centos Promo after the meeting
2024-03-27 16:15:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah let's figure that out afterward
2024-03-27 16:16:28 <@salimma:fedora.im> If Carl is doing an EPEL talk ours should come after so we don't have to explain what epel is 
2024-03-27 16:16:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> And it can be a nice example of what you can do in epel (kde) and what you cannot 
2024-03-27 16:16:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2024-03-27 16:17:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Davide Cavalca, Anita Zhang, Matteo Croce, and myself were at SCaLE a couple weeks ago.
2024-03-27 16:18:10 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> yay!
2024-03-27 16:18:11 <@salimma:fedora.im> So was I
2024-03-27 16:18:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> right, blame the tab completion mess and my ADD :)
2024-03-27 16:19:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I gave a talk about building kernels
2024-03-27 16:19:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> including the Hyperscale kernel :)
2024-03-27 16:20:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> SCaLE hasn't published the recording yet, but once it's up, we'll get those added to the list
2024-03-27 16:21:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh and Anita Zhang did a talk about Meta's upstream-y oss stuff
2024-03-27 16:21:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> which also briefly included hyperscale :)
2024-03-27 16:21:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> anyone has any other followups?
2024-03-27 16:22:26 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> watched a few of those online, hoping to review the others when they come out! great job, all
2024-03-27 16:23:08 <@salimma:fedora.im> we had the Asahi demo again at the Meta booth
2024-03-27 16:23:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> probably got a few people trying it that way, now that sound works :). including one of the booth volunteers
2024-03-27 16:24:01 <@salimma:fedora.im> but that's not HS related I guess until we get CentOS Hyperscale Asahi
2024-03-27 16:24:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we had good conversations after Davide Cavalca and I had our talk about FAR too
2024-03-27 16:24:10 <@salimma:fedora.im> FAR?
2024-03-27 16:24:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Fedora Asahi Remix
2024-03-27 16:24:20 <@salimma:fedora.im> ah
2024-03-27 16:24:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> typing it is too much work
2024-03-27 16:24:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but once we get to hs10, we'll see
2024-03-27 16:24:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> anyway... let's move on to..
2024-03-27 16:24:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Announcements
2024-03-27 16:25:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> anyone have anything to announce?
2024-03-27 16:25:53 <@davide:cavalca.name> Roberto Campesato is working on updating qemu and the virt stack
2024-03-27 16:26:07 <@davide:cavalca.name> And getting our patches sorted out in the process
2024-03-27 16:27:28 <@rrbc:matrix.org> Yes! Still learning how to work with hyperscale but I should start publishing new builds soon, thanks Davide Cavalca for your help / support!
2024-03-27 16:27:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's awesome
2024-03-27 16:30:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> anything else from anyone?
2024-03-27 16:30:07 <@anitazha:matrix.org> I stepped away and just came back. But last night I updated the HS talks list with everyone's SCaLE and CentOS Connect stuff 
2024-03-27 16:30:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> awesome, thank you!
2024-03-27 16:30:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> A+ as always Anita Zhang 😂
2024-03-27 16:30:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> A+ as always Anita Zhang 😄
2024-03-27 16:31:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Oh, I guess I should say this: I will be upgrading us to 6.8 in hyperscale this week
2024-03-27 16:31:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> for the kernel
2024-03-27 16:31:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !info Roberto Campesato is working on refreshing the qemu and virt stack and making good progress
2024-03-27 16:31:50 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> I'm working on refreshing RPM CoW
2024-03-27 16:32:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !info Anita Zhang has added CentOS Connect 2024 and SCaLE 21x talks to the Hyperscale SIG site
2024-03-27 16:32:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !info Matteo Croce is working on refreshing RPM CoW
2024-03-27 16:33:41 <@salimma:fedora.im> for kernel... does the HS one have that kernel module for file sharing enabled yet? one sec
2024-03-27 16:33:53 <@davide:cavalca.name> 9p ?
2024-03-27 16:34:10 <@salimma:fedora.im> https://docs.getutm.app/settings-qemu/sharing/#virtfs
2024-03-27 16:34:13 <@salimma:fedora.im> yes, 9pfs
2024-03-27 16:34:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it probably isn't
2024-03-27 16:34:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if it's not in baseline RHEL, it's not enabled yet for us
2024-03-27 16:34:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> since I didn't explicitly turn it on
2024-03-27 16:34:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but of course, we can change that :)
2024-03-27 16:35:05 <@salimma:fedora.im> should I file a ticket asking for it to be turned on? (hs, I mean)
2024-03-27 16:35:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2024-03-27 16:35:14 <@davide:cavalca.name> Speaking of kernel, we're doing some experimentation around microvms using firecracker at meta, and we might need a variant for that with a minimal kconfig, virtio builtin, etc
2024-03-27 16:35:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> probably worth asking for it in JIRA too, who knows
2024-03-27 16:35:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> please file a sig-hyperscale ticket and tag it for the kernel
2024-03-27 16:35:22 <@davide:cavalca.name> Details tbd as I learn more about this
2024-03-27 16:35:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Davide Cavalca: since firecracker is in Fedora, let's start there first
2024-03-27 16:35:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> getting more flavors added to the kernel is a messy enough process as it is
2024-03-27 16:36:24 <@davide:cavalca.name> Yeah I'm trying to get an e2e poc so I can actually have something to test and target against
2024-03-27 16:36:40 <@salimma:fedora.im> ps the kernel doc still says we track the Stream 9 kernel https://sigs.centos.org/hyperscale/internal/kernel/
2024-03-27 16:36:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you should be able to use kernel-core for this as that's effectively a minimal environment
2024-03-27 16:36:53 <@salimma:fedora.im> where should I file this, just the normal SIG tracker?
2024-03-27 16:36:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2024-03-27 16:37:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> also feel free to update the text there
2024-03-27 16:37:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the kernel contribution page was already fixed
2024-03-27 16:37:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I just forgot about the rest
2024-03-27 16:38:30 <@salimma:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/centos-sig-hyperscale/sig/issue/164
2024-03-27 16:40:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> do we have any Red Hat kernel folks in #centos-kernel:fedora.im yet?
2024-03-27 16:41:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I guess not, I just peeked in there and there's still nobody from that team there.
2024-03-27 16:42:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !info The Hyperscale kernel will be refreshed to 6.8 series this week.
2024-03-27 16:42:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think that's it for announcements, so now...
2024-03-27 16:43:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Tickets
2024-03-27 16:43:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Excluding the ticket Michel Lind🎩 - 😷🤧 just filed, I'm gonna say there's nothing to discuss here...
2024-03-27 16:43:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so let's move on to...
2024-03-27 16:43:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Membership
2024-03-27 16:43:54 <@aekoroglu:matrix.org> I've got one
2024-03-27 16:43:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh?
2024-03-27 16:44:07 <@aekoroglu:matrix.org> https://pagure.io/centos-sig-hyperscale/sig/issue/163
2024-03-27 16:44:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so more hyperscale-intel work?
2024-03-27 16:44:42 <@aekoroglu:matrix.org> yeap this time for mark adler's zlib :)
2024-03-27 16:44:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> are they here to introduce themselves?
2024-03-27 16:45:45 <@aekoroglu:matrix.org> Not this time I think but I'll take him to next meeting
2024-03-27 16:46:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> okay
2024-03-27 16:47:30 <@salimma:fedora.im> we can wait to vote until then I guess
2024-03-27 16:47:30 <@aekoroglu:matrix.org> I already shared onboarding docs, probably we'll release a new zlib in hyperscale-intel repos and then some benchmarking white paper + blog post maybe ?
2024-03-27 16:48:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yup sounds good
2024-03-27 16:48:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !info Adenilson Cavalcanti (FAS: adenilson) will come next meeting to introduce themselves
2024-03-27 16:48:43 <@aekoroglu:matrix.org> I already shared onboarding docs, probably we'll release a new zlib in hyperscale-intel repos and then some benchmarks + white paper + blog post maybe ?
2024-03-27 16:49:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> anything else?
2024-03-27 16:49:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> guess not, so let's move on to..
2024-03-27 16:49:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic Miscellaneous
2024-03-27 16:50:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> anything for the open floor?
2024-03-27 16:51:27 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> I have some questions for RPM cow
2024-03-27 16:51:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> sure, shoot
2024-03-27 16:52:00 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> I see that the current RPM tree is at:
2024-03-27 16:52:01 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> https://git.centos.org/rpms/rpm/commits/c9s-sig-hyperscale
2024-03-27 16:52:13 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> which already has an RPM cow implementation
2024-03-27 16:52:28 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> because there is the rpm2extents tool in it
2024-03-27 16:52:38 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> but this is based on a three years old RPM codebase
2024-03-27 16:52:52 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> I've ported the cow to latest RPM tree
2024-03-27 16:53:24 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> my branch is here: https://github.com/teknoraver/rpm/tree/cow
2024-03-27 16:53:42 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> what is the process to have a fresh rpm version in centos hyperscale?
2024-03-27 16:53:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, that's complex
2024-03-27 16:54:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> in order to ship a new rpm, we have to rebuild everything that depends on librpm
2024-03-27 16:54:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> which... includes grub
2024-03-27 16:54:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> among other things
2024-03-27 16:54:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so we haven't done it because ABI breaks make this complex
2024-03-27 16:55:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but if we really need to, we could
2024-03-27 16:55:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that said, RPM 4.20 is a thing and that includes a stable plugin API
2024-03-27 16:55:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so getting that into Fedora first will also let us have a conversation about having CentOS 10 also having what we need
2024-03-27 16:56:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> so - wait until 4.20 then switch HS's rpm to track Fedora's?
2024-03-27 16:56:29 <@salimma:fedora.im> that will make it easier to rebase I guess
2024-03-27 16:56:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, we will need to figure out the dependencies on librpm, but yeah
2024-03-27 16:56:55 <@salimma:fedora.im> this is when I wish we have sidetags in CBS
2024-03-27 16:56:57 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> so I should target Fedora first?
2024-03-27 16:57:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2024-03-27 16:58:09 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> got it, tnx
2024-03-27 16:58:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> anything else?
2024-03-27 16:59:30 <@teknoraver:matrix.org> not from me
2024-03-27 16:59:49 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> nor i
2024-03-27 17:00:00 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> negative
2024-03-27 17:01:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> alright, well we're at the top of the hour, so time to end it ALL
2024-03-27 17:01:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !endmeeting