00:59:41 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA 00:59:41 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Sep 9 00:59:41 2016 UTC. The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:59:41 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:59:41 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 00:59:52 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA 00:59:52 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:10 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 01:00:19 <award3535> #chair reher jflory7 01:00:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 jflory7 reher 01:00:31 * ParadoxGuitarist wanders in. 01:00:41 <jflory7> .hello jflory7 01:00:42 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com> 01:00:50 <jflory7> Hey juggler! 01:00:52 <juggler> .hello lajuggler 01:00:53 <zodbot> juggler: lajuggler 'Perry Rivera' <juggler1@gmail.com> 01:01:06 <award3535> #chair ParadoxGuitarist juggler 01:01:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 jflory7 juggler reher 01:01:09 <juggler> Hey jflory! 01:01:15 <ParadoxGuitarist> .hello ParadoxGuitarist 01:01:16 <zodbot> ParadoxGuitarist: Sorry, but you don't exist 01:01:19 <ParadoxGuitarist> lol 01:01:29 <ParadoxGuitarist> well ok 01:01:45 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm not sure how long I'll be able to stay 01:01:47 <juggler> ruh roh 01:01:48 <juggler> :) 01:02:08 <ParadoxGuitarist> My son's bath/bed time is currently in direct conflict with this timeslot. 01:02:33 * ParadoxGuitarist sighs. 01:02:35 <juggler> ah 01:02:38 * masta lurks 01:02:40 <award3535> PG that will come to an end with time, then you will move into the chasing 01:02:48 <award3535> #chair masta 01:02:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 jflory7 juggler masta reher 01:02:51 <ParadoxGuitarist> Thanks award3535 01:02:56 <ParadoxGuitarist> >.< 01:03:12 <ParadoxGuitarist> He's pretty close to walking already. 01:03:18 <award3535> terrible two then its all down hill 01:03:49 <award3535> #topic === Announcements === 01:03:50 <ParadoxGuitarist> juggler: I haven't forgotten about that media, I just need to find something to ship it in. Hopefully tomorrow. 01:04:07 <juggler> no worries PG :) 01:04:11 <award3535> PG make sure I get the shipping cost 01:04:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: Will do. 01:04:18 <juggler> I know it'll arrive someday! 01:04:36 <award3535> jflory7 I know you have announcements 01:04:44 <jflory7> Yep, I do - have at least two 01:04:59 <award3535> go ahead 01:04:59 <jflory7> #info === "Keeping Fedora beautiful: contribute your wallpaper!" === 01:05:00 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/keeping-fedora-beautiful-contribute-wallpaper/ 01:05:06 <jflory7> #info The Fedora 25 supplementary wallpaper dropbox is now open. Submit up to two wallpapers to be voted on by the Fedora community for inclusion in F25 supplementary wallpapers! A great way to participate in the Fedora release process. 01:05:32 <jflory7> Make that three 01:05:47 <jflory7> #info === "Say no to wiki SPAM!" === 01:05:48 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/say-no-to-wiki-spam/ 01:06:41 <jflory7> #info The Fedora wiki now requires users to belong to the CLA groups in FAS *plus* one other group to log in and edit pages. Be aware this may affect how new Ambassadors are brought into the program (like creating a user page). For users who do not belong to another FAS group, an alternative method should be used. 01:06:51 <jflory7> #info === "Fedorahosted sunset: 2017-02-28" === 01:06:56 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedorahosted-sunset-2017-02-28/ 01:07:38 <jflory7> #info All Fedorahosted.org sites will set as read-only starting Feb. 2, 2017. Projects using Fedorahosted are encouraged to migrate their projects to Pagure. Important to begin planning migration plans earlier than later. 01:07:55 <award3535> I would like to discuss some things with sunset of fedorahosted during open floor 01:08:08 <jflory7> It is worth noting that Pagure is just one option - although I've migrated two Tracs to Pagure already and it has worked very well for those teams so far. 01:08:12 <jflory7> Sounds like a plan. 01:08:16 <jflory7> No more announcements from me. 01:08:26 <award3535> anyone else 01:08:50 <juggler> nothing here! 01:09:02 <award3535> #topic === Tickets === 01:09:15 <award3535> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:10:01 <award3535> .famnaticket 118 01:10:03 <zodbot> award3535: #118 (LFNW 2016) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/118 01:10:31 <award3535> I have no new information as of yet on this ticket PG do you have any thing from jsandys 01:10:53 <ParadoxGuitarist> I don't 01:11:14 <award3535> ok I will check on this ticket before the next meeting 01:11:29 <award3535> .famnaticket 153 01:11:31 <zodbot> award3535: #153 (SeaGL 2016 Sponsorship) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/153 01:11:51 <award3535> I updated the status on this ticket, I sent in the payment for the booth this morning 01:12:04 <award3535> Just waiting for the receipt 01:13:00 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'll work on getting a box ready for this 01:13:38 <award3535> Its in November, you have some time but everything is caught up so far. 01:13:57 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm pretty sure this is the next event for the west coast 01:14:33 <ParadoxGuitarist> I think F25 will probably be launched by then, but new media won't have arrived yet. 01:15:36 <award3535> I cannot stress enough, event owners must keep track of things and ensure all items are scheduled and planned. jsandys is the event owner, an he needs to put tickets in for those items as well 01:16:11 <ParadoxGuitarist> Yeah, I won't ship without it 01:16:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> We need a paper trail 01:16:40 <juggler> e-paper? :) 01:16:48 <ParadoxGuitarist> heh 01:16:52 <ParadoxGuitarist> I guess you're right 01:17:18 <award3535> moving on 01:17:22 <award3535> .famnaticket 154 01:17:23 <zodbot> award3535: #154 (FAmNA Budget sheet) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/154 01:17:50 <award3535> updated on 2 September for everyones review 01:18:30 <jflory7> award3535++ 01:18:51 <award3535> onward..... 01:18:53 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor === 01:19:33 <award3535> Ok I do have some items of concern for the new system. Can the system handle the free media program or is that going away? 01:20:02 <jflory7> award3535: I'm not sure about Free Media - I remember seeing some discussion regarding it, but I don't think it's going away. I think they're still trying to find a good solution. 01:20:13 <award3535> #chair kk4ewt 01:20:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 jflory7 juggler kk4ewt masta reher 01:20:21 <jflory7> I don't know much more than that as far as Free Media goes. 01:21:25 <award3535> jflory7 the other items will shift just fine, but as for ease of use, I find it a little combersum and difficult to track 01:21:53 <jflory7> Trac or Pagure? 01:22:00 <award3535> the free media program is where I started and it is vast and will either have a solution or die 01:22:07 <award3535> pagure that is 01:22:11 <jflory7> I see 01:23:00 <award3535> other countries use the free media program to request media since they are unable to download the large files from the internet 01:23:06 <jflory7> Pagure may not be the best solution for the Free Media program then. In either case, the best bet for now is whoever is leading that program to file tickets on Pagure for things they need, and/or investigate other solutions that may work better. The Fedora Infrastructure mailing list may be able to offer better advice. 01:23:09 * jflory7 nods 01:23:37 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm not sure we say this enough, but thanks for your leadership award3535. I have to run and make bedtime bottle. 01:23:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1 award3535 01:24:22 * ParadoxGuitarist waves* 01:26:47 <jflory7> +1 to ParadoxGuitarist 01:27:08 <jflory7> award3535: I'm not sure who runs Free Media nowadays, but whoever is leading the efforts should definitely reach out the Infrastructure team for advice / support. 01:28:08 <award3535> I just looked on pagure, there is a start of the subproject but no form for requestors to fill out 01:29:28 <jflory7> Looks like FranciscoD is working on that 01:29:53 <jflory7> I see he has already requested some features in Pagure to make Free Media work well: https://pagure.io/pagure/issue/1223 01:31:23 <award3535> now, the other concerns I have is the way the requests are handled, will there be email notification when a authorized user submits a request for media, swag, reimbursement, etc.... 01:31:48 <kk4ewt> and free media has what to do with us at the moment 01:32:19 <jflory7> For that, yes, there can be. The easiest way to do this might be to have a group, e.g. FAmNA-admin, and to have a repository that they are added to. By default, all members of the group will be emailed when new tickets are filed. 01:32:22 <award3535> kk4ewt, I am involved in the free media program as well as a few others 01:32:45 <kk4ewt> well i am as well but this is a famna meeting 01:33:10 <award3535> kk4ewt we are discussing the migration to pagure from trac 01:34:21 <jflory7> award3535: I have a question about usability... say if we migrated all the tickets in the FAmNA Requests Trac to Pagure, we would want all of those tickets to remain private outside of those who are members of the "admin" group, right? 01:34:24 <award3535> that is one of the many concerns I have was free media, and as well as the reimbursements, mentor track 01:35:22 <kk4ewt> yes 01:35:39 <award3535> jflory7, then how does the person submitting the ticket check on status or get status if they are not in the admin group 01:36:19 <jflory7> award3535: In Pagure, there are "private" tickets. A user can file a private ticket where only they and members of the "admin" group can see it. 01:36:22 <kk4ewt> not sure of the group structure on pagure to answer that question 01:36:49 <award3535> just some thoughts, but why would you want private tickets 01:36:56 <jflory7> My concern is if migrate over, all of the old tickets will probably need to remain private - I'm filing an issue in the importer tool now to have an option to import issues as private. 01:37:08 <jflory7> award3535: I assume for the same reasons that some of the tickets in FAmNA Requests are private. 01:37:26 <jflory7> e.g. they have personal information in them like addresses / phone numbers that don't need to be public to the whole web 01:37:33 <kk4ewt> because we have shipping address and finanicals 01:37:50 <award3535> hmm maybe because I have admin rights is why i see everything, so makes sense 01:38:51 <award3535> I guess I will just have to check the pagure atleast once a week 01:38:55 <award3535> if not twice 01:39:11 <jflory7> award3535: Yeah, for me, I can't see any tickets other than my own in FAmNA Requests. 01:39:32 <jflory7> award3535: If you are a member of this "admin" group, and the group is added to a "FAmNA Requests" repo, you will receive emails for new tickets that are filed. 01:40:32 <award3535> hopefully when the groups are created the admin rights will carry over 01:41:42 <jflory7> award3535: Should we decide to use Pagure, I think the best action would be for you to create the group, and then add all of the people who should have access as necessary. 01:42:12 <jflory7> I would be happy to do that, but then I also don't know if it's desired for me to have access to that kind of information. 01:42:35 <jflory7> I also think it would make sense for us to have a "general" FAmNA Pagure group as well for sponsored FAS members to be added to 01:42:41 <kk4ewt> our options are pagure or ? 01:42:45 <award3535> jflory7 would we need one for every region in FAmNA 01:43:06 <juggler> gonna head to my next meeting. no open forum items from me on this end. 01:43:11 <masta> yeah, what else is available to choose from? 01:43:18 <juggler> have a good evening all. see you next 01:43:26 <jflory7> award3535: Hmm, we *could* have a group for each region, but it may just be easier to keep everyone who is shipping items / handling information in a single group. 01:43:31 <jflory7> juggler: See ya! 01:43:52 <jflory7> kk4ewt / masta: I think anything that someone wishes to propose. Right now, Pagure is the supported migration pathway offered by Fedora Infra 01:43:54 <juggler> later jf, all! 01:44:18 <jflory7> Anything else we might choose to use, we would likely be on our own to run it, OR we would have to contact Fedora Infra for advice / help on hosting it within Fedora 01:44:20 <masta> so we migrate to a git repo? 01:44:53 <jflory7> masta: Basically, a git repo but just for tickets. Some examples of this already are Fedora CommOps, Marketing, and Diversity teams, if you'd like links to see examples. 01:45:21 <masta> so we would be (ab)using the issue tracker of the git repo? 01:45:22 <kk4ewt> so basicly pagure or nothing 01:45:39 <award3535> Here is my other concern, if we keep shipping together that means myself, kk4ewt, nb, and guitar guy would have admin rights and get every request even though its not their area 01:46:28 <jflory7> masta: Essentially, yes. I've found it to work well for ticket-based teams, but I haven't dealt with any that are holding private info until now 01:46:44 <masta> if fedora-infra wants to migrate to pagure, I'm actually cool with that, but it seems like square peg meet round hole... 01:47:18 <jflory7> award3535: That would be one downside. We could try proposing a feature to be added to Pagure to make this easier if we had a good idea (e.g. a certain "tag", like components in Trac, would email a certain group of people). 01:47:34 <jflory7> But I think it's safer to say everyone would probably get emails about everyone in FAmNA, at least for now 01:48:21 <kk4ewt> well i have no problems getting emails about other regions and such since all of us should be working together 01:48:28 <masta> so pardon my sudden curiosity, would we have a main famna repo, and the east, central, and west regions have forks of that repo for tracking their own issues? 01:48:55 <kk4ewt> masta famnarequest 01:49:07 <jflory7> masta: The way I envision it working best is two repos: one for FAmNA general, one FAmNA requests 01:49:19 <jflory7> The former being public, the latter being private 01:49:26 <kk4ewt> as they are now 01:49:32 * jflory7 nods 01:50:07 <jflory7> Accompanied by two groups as well: "famna" for all sponsored members, and "famna-admin" for those who handle info like addresses and other details. 01:50:40 <jflory7> award3535: If desired, I would be happy to take charge on this, put together a ticket in our own Trac right now with proposal ideas, and pitch them at a future meeting. 01:51:07 <jflory7> This is something I think I will be able to help with. 01:51:17 <award3535> that would be greatly appreciated jflory7 01:51:33 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Begin putting together proposals for a FAmNA migration to Pagure, share at a later meeting 01:52:04 <jflory7> I'll try to have something to share by next week or the week after. 01:52:47 <award3535> I am trying to add the q2 sheet right now and it is kicking my a$$ 01:53:46 <award3535> i dont think I have appropriate rights in the area of budget 01:55:34 <jflory7> How do you mean? 01:56:06 <award3535> I cant change or add anything 01:56:51 <jflory7> In your local copy spreadsheet? Or is there a Google Drive sort of spreedsheet being used elsewhere? 01:57:19 <award3535> local 01:57:54 <jflory7> Oh... strange... 01:59:56 <award3535> jflory7 I am not listed in the owners group, so essentially I am in-effective and cannot change any thing 02:00:32 <jflory7> Is this like an Excel / Calc spreadsheet? 02:00:34 <award3535> so the pagure needs to be updated since remy, and add Q2 to the pull requests or files 02:00:53 <jflory7> Ohh, is this a repo? 02:00:58 <jflory7> I'm not sure what you're looking at right now. 02:01:12 <award3535> https://pagure.io/fedora-budget 02:01:32 <award3535> let me end the meeting and you can look and the page 02:01:52 <award3535> ok folks we are out of time.... 02:02:01 <award3535> thanks for attending.... 02:02:05 <masta> ok bye 02:02:09 <award3535> #endmeeting