05:01:14 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n 05:01:14 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 8 05:01:14 2011 UTC. The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:01:14 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 05:01:18 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n 05:01:18 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n' 05:01:28 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call 05:01:43 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-09-08 05:01:50 <juhp> hi 05:01:55 <anish_> hello 05:02:17 <tagoh> hi, time to have i18n meeting! 05:02:26 <paragan> hi 05:02:29 <tagoh> who else here today? 05:03:08 <fujiwarat> hi 05:04:08 <epico_laptop> hi 05:04:25 <dingyichen> hi 05:04:31 <tagoh> okay, let's get started then. 05:04:39 <tagoh> #topic F16 05:06:31 <tagoh> thanks to everyone who participated to the i18n/l10n test day. we still have one day for ibus testing for new features. we may want to update current testcase according to current status and result of the past test day 05:08:03 <tagoh> as sometimes told here, we are planning to have one at 22th September 05:08:56 <tagoh> would be nice to review the test day page again and update it as needed 05:09:04 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-09-22_I18n_Desktop 05:09:10 <juhp> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-09-01_I18n_Desktop 05:11:03 <juhp> tagoh: oh I wonder why libreoffice-langpack-ja is not pulled 05:11:16 <juhp> hmm that seems to break my theory 05:11:25 <juhp> pulled in 05:11:31 <tagoh> also thanks for updating docbeats too. the wiki freeze for beta has already been passed away, we have a little time to polish it for GA. or if it's ready to go, we could change the flag to indicate that 05:11:55 <tagoh> juhp: aha. 05:12:09 <tagoh> not sure how it works.. 05:12:16 <juhp> yeah unfortunately I didn't finish editting the page but yeah guess there is still time for GA at least 05:12:48 <juhp> tagoh: ok let me try too - I thought ja was working for me bicwbw 05:13:07 <tagoh> juhp: not only for ja I suppose 05:13:48 <juhp> tagoh: well zh was because of zh-Hans/Hant 05:14:04 <juhp> and pt_BR because of pt-BR 05:14:32 <tagoh> no explicit day is on the schedule to freeze docbeats for GA so far but seems planning to remind it at 26th September. 05:14:36 <juhp> but expected ja would work 05:14:58 <juhp> tagoh: okay thanks - I need to review the text particularly for ibus 05:15:29 <tagoh> juhp: aha 05:15:37 <tagoh> juhp: cool. thanks 05:16:16 <tagoh> coming event on the schedule would be, beta change deadline and feature 100% complete at 13th September. 05:17:25 <tagoh> fujiwarat: any chance to update the feature page? if all of tasks done for that, update the percentage of completion to 100%. otherwise good to share the current progress on it. 05:18:38 <tagoh> anything else for f16? 05:19:58 <fujiwarat> tagoh: I think the feature is done while I don't update the performance. 05:20:50 <juhp> fujiwarat, ok perhaps we could review together this week then 05:20:53 <pravin_s> hi 05:21:06 <fujiwarat> nice 05:21:25 <tagoh> okay, that would be a good idea. 05:21:30 <juhp> yes 05:21:38 <fujiwarat> Probably we still have a window if the new control+space is the default. 05:22:24 <juhp> fujiwarat, currently it is off by default? 05:22:43 <fujiwarat> no, it's on by default. 05:22:47 <juhp> ok 05:22:53 <tagoh> please be aware of the deadline is coming soon. so better finish by this week anyway. 05:22:57 <juhp> so let's see how the beta goes 05:23:11 <juhp> tagoh: ok right 05:23:22 <fujiwarat> I mean the performance is relative with the new control+space. 05:24:35 <juhp> are there any bugs open that need fixing for beta? 05:25:01 <fujiwarat> not sure. Actually I may not understand your problem exactly. 05:25:36 <fujiwarat> Ah, I don't have any bugs for beta. 05:25:43 <juhp> okay 05:26:15 <tagoh> no blocker bugs nor nth bugs for beta for ibus. 05:26:47 <juhp> fujiwarat, when you say performance are you referring to the speed of ibus-gnome3, or something else? 05:27:06 <fujiwarat> Yes, I closed some bugs if ibus-gnome3 can fix them. 05:27:53 <juhp> tagoh: fwiw "LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 yum install libreoffice-writer" pulls in libreoffice-langpack-ja for me here 05:27:57 <fujiwarat> juhp: I mean the performance of control+space and my understanding is it does not depend on gnome-shell. 05:28:15 <juhp> tagoh: so if you can still reproduce - could you file a bug for that? 05:28:22 <juhp> fujiwarat, okay thanks 05:28:29 <tagoh> juhp: how about groupinstall? the testcase was not to install one-by-one. 05:28:36 <juhp> ah 05:29:17 <juhp> tagoh: yes samw 05:29:19 <juhp> same 05:29:41 <tagoh> okay, let me test again 05:29:56 <juhp> okay thanks 05:30:00 <tagoh> anything else? 05:30:31 <juhp> also I asked notting in bugzilla if we should remove all langpacks from comps lang groups 05:30:39 <tagoh> yep 05:30:45 <juhp> maybe it is safer for f17 though at this stage - not sure 05:31:16 <tagoh> dunno, does anaconda use yum-langpacks as well? 05:31:34 <juhp> ah that's a very good question! 05:32:01 <juhp> I have a feeling that might be why we left them for now 05:32:11 <juhp> notting probably knows.... 05:32:17 <tagoh> nod 05:32:19 <juhp> I am not sure 05:33:04 <tagoh> okay, shall we move on 05:33:15 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods 05:33:33 <tagoh> any updates to share for IM? 05:35:10 <fujiwarat> ibus-1.3.99.20110817-3.fc16 will be stable soon. I also will update the ibus build again today. 05:35:26 <tagoh> finally wrote a patch for xsettings-kde to apply Gtk/IMModule on KDE. we could get rid of settings GTK_IM_MODULE envvar on kde afterward. 05:36:17 <tagoh> fujiwarat: aha. what kind of bugs does it fix? 05:37:58 <fujiwarat> tagoh: -3 is for the latest ibus-gnome3 and -4 will fixes 735879 and preedit color on gnome-shell widget. 05:38:03 <juhp> tagoh: nice 05:38:18 <fujiwarat> s/fixes/fix/ 05:38:21 <juhp> aha 05:38:38 <tagoh> aha 05:39:38 <tagoh> would be good to have a reference of bugs on bodhi :) 05:39:54 <fujiwarat> However unfortunately the following bug is a regression for f16: 05:39:55 <fujiwarat> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658325 05:40:45 <fujiwarat> Yes, the bugs will be shown on bodhi. 05:42:20 <dueno> btw I guess ibus-m17n will need rebuild against ibus-1.3.99.20110817, since there is an API change - so help testing the update would be appreciated 05:43:46 <fujiwarat> I didn't notice the API change. 05:44:08 <tagoh> fujiwarat: that affects the testers to give a karma anyway 05:44:55 <dueno> fujiwarat: an extra arg is added to ibus_engine_get_surrounding_text 05:45:19 <fujiwarat> dueno: Ah, I remembered it now. thx. 05:45:43 <juhp> maybe better to push them together then? 05:45:59 <fujiwarat> OK, probalby I think it effects ibus-m17n only. 05:45:59 <tagoh> juhp: right 05:47:20 <tagoh> fujiwarat: can you check all of engines to make sure? 05:48:46 <fujiwarat> Probably I think the surrounding API is used by dueno only in fedora :). 05:49:17 <dueno> yes I think so :) 05:50:02 <tagoh> fujiwarat: want to make sure "definitely not" but not "probably not" :) 05:51:04 <tagoh> juhp: guess no progress on multilib? 05:51:35 <juhp> tagoh: no news I think 05:51:44 <tagoh> hm, okay 05:52:32 <tagoh> anything else for IM? 05:53:08 * juhp bookmarks the rfe bug 05:53:33 <tagoh> if not, let's move on 05:54:25 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering 05:54:36 <tagoh> any news on fonts and rendering? 05:55:24 <pravin_s> tagoh: no, nothing from me 05:55:52 <epico_laptop> nothing from me. 05:57:15 <tagoh> guess it may be unlikely to see for f16 but maybe for f17, upstream might be going to prepare the new release of fontconfig. just asked to have a review for patches not yet committed a few days ago. 05:58:22 <juhp> in connection with yum-langpacks I had some discussion with Caolan about BCP47 05:58:35 <tagoh> aha 05:58:43 <juhp> he also suggested it could be useful for fontconfig 05:59:04 <juhp> which might currently ignore locale variants? 05:59:14 <tagoh> I suppose it is filed in bz already 06:00:05 <tagoh> guess need a discussion to think about it though 06:03:42 <juhp> yes 06:03:49 <tagoh> fwiw since we are focusing a lot into f16 development so far, it may be hard to look at other bugs though, keeping 80% of bugs to NEW looks not good to me. no one is checking if it only happens on f15. would be appreciated to test it on f16 or ask for reporters at least. 06:04:01 <juhp> anyway just thought I would mention it hear 06:04:10 <tagoh> for f15 bugs anyway 06:04:12 <juhp> pravin_s, I think it could also help Indic 06:04:32 <juhp> yes 06:05:21 <juhp> if we have too many older bugs we could also start a bug corner but better if people proactively triage of course by themselves 06:06:17 <tagoh> yep 06:07:31 <tagoh> anything else? 06:07:36 <juhp> reminds me I should bump epoch on stardict, or orphan ;o) 06:07:56 <pravin_s> juhp: aha, that nice 06:08:05 <tagoh> epoch? why? 06:08:20 <juhp> tagoh: to revert the version :-( 06:08:29 <tagoh> oh 06:08:48 <juhp> the newer one from googlecode seems totally broken :-( 06:08:54 <juhp> I should complain anyway 06:09:14 <juhp> I thought I tested before pushing to f15-updates but seems not :-/ 06:09:15 <tagoh> no fix in even devel branch? 06:09:24 <juhp> I will check... 06:09:44 <juhp> or maybe goldendict is better 06:10:11 <tagoh> aha 06:10:48 <tagoh> anything else prior to close the meeting? 06:12:54 <tagoh> okay, let's stop here then. thanks everyone for the meeting! 06:13:21 <tagoh> #endmeeting