05:02:26 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n 05:02:26 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 10 05:02:26 2011 UTC. The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:02:26 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 05:02:30 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n 05:02:30 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n' 05:02:38 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call 05:02:47 <juhp> hi 05:02:48 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-11-10 05:03:03 <tagoh> okay, it's time for i18n meeting. 05:04:05 <fujiwarat> hi 05:04:18 <tagoh> update the agenda prior to start if you have anything else or bring up at the end. 05:04:35 <epico_laptop> hi 05:05:53 <anish_> hi 05:05:58 <paragan> hi 05:06:13 <tagoh> okay, let's get started. 05:06:22 <tagoh> #topic F17 05:07:44 <tagoh> as all of you know f16 is out and we are moving slowly for f17 development. in current schedule on wiki upcoming event is Feature Submission Deadline at 24th January next year. 05:08:20 <tagoh> we still have time to think about i18n features for f17 though. 05:08:27 <tagoh> is there any idea for that so far? 05:08:53 <juhp> aha 05:09:16 <juhp> I guess we already have a few features in the pipeline? 05:10:50 <tagoh> more gnome-shell integration for ibus, fonts-tweak-tool? 05:12:36 <dingyichen> hi 05:12:46 <tagoh> anyway, good to have a little time to think about what we can make innovation on i18n in the future release of Fedora. 05:13:13 <paragan> I have one question here 05:13:19 <tagoh> sure 05:13:38 <paragan> we have some Indic locale support features submitted by Rahul long before at the time of F10 05:13:50 <paragan> they are still showing in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:FeaturePageIncomplete 05:14:14 <paragan> I think we should also look into it and try to clean our features from FeaturePageIncomplete 05:15:14 <juhp> hah 05:15:18 <paragan> so we also need to check for any i18n features there and try to update them in every release cycle 05:15:24 <juhp> that would be good 05:15:45 <paragan> I will check for those Indic features 05:15:47 <juhp> so what are the current features listed? 05:15:51 <tagoh> yes, well, one can propose any time if it's ready to go. 05:16:08 <juhp> Libpinyin, fonts-tweak-tool, Inscript2 05:16:18 <paragan> yes 05:17:09 <tagoh> but features needs an owner. so if no one takes it, it keeps sitting down at FeaturePageIncomplete anyway :) 05:17:12 <paragan> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:FeatureReadyForFesco 05:17:20 <juhp> right 05:17:37 <juhp> we could remove FeaturePageIncomplete perhaps? 05:17:55 <juhp> not sure how to delete old unproposed features? 05:18:03 <tagoh> me neither 05:18:11 <paragan> ok 05:18:30 <lijli> hi 05:18:36 <juhp> removing the tag might work - perhaps you could ask around? :) 05:18:41 <tagoh> I guess there may be many outdated features there. 05:18:46 <juhp> sure 05:18:54 <paragan> yeah 05:18:58 <juhp> good to clean up IMHO anyway 05:19:15 <juhp> unless there is still value in it 05:21:07 <tagoh> given that it's worth trying, that shouldn't be i18n specific. so good to bring this up with the wide-distribution IMHO. 05:21:43 <paragan> ok 05:21:44 <pravins> hi 05:21:57 <tagoh> anyway, anything else so far on f17? 05:22:28 <juhp> I guess no schedule yet? 05:22:38 <tagoh> schedule for what? 05:22:44 <juhp> f17? 05:22:56 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/17/Schedule 05:23:00 <juhp> ah 05:23:31 <juhp> ok that's pretty new :) 05:24:07 <tagoh> just 2 days since f16 has been released. no wonder :) 05:24:45 <tagoh> okay, better move on then. 05:25:00 <tagoh> #topic Bugzilla house keeping 05:26:03 <tagoh> as announcement has been sent, EOL for f14 was set to 8th December. so it's time to revisit and evaluate f14 bugs. 05:26:56 <paragan> yep 05:27:06 <tagoh> we have 42 bugs open for f14 now. so would be nice to review them and if it's still persist, good to change the version to avoid auto-closing. 05:28:30 <tagoh> if you own any bugs for f14, good to test again or ask a bug reporter if it works on the latest version in f15 or f16. 05:29:30 <tagoh> appreciate if you can have a time to take an action for that, anyway. 05:30:08 <tagoh> okay, move on. 05:30:10 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods 05:31:15 <tagoh> for updates of the multilib issue on gtk+, workaround patch has been accepted and committed upstream. so I guess we'll see that in f17. 05:31:16 * juhp wants to orphan stardict.... 05:31:23 <juhp> cool 05:32:06 <pravins> juhp: what is present alternative for stardict? 05:32:17 <juhp> goldendict? 05:32:19 <tagoh> it potentially allows us to set any fallback though, I'm still thinking about what to do in imsettings. 05:32:27 <juhp> I think epico_laptop said 05:33:05 <juhp> tagoh: so imsettings can also do fallback with this change? 05:33:13 <epico_laptop> yes, goldendict 05:33:13 <pravins> anyway stardict is crashing at my end from couple of weeks :) 05:33:20 <tagoh> i.e. hardcode xim only for fallback or open to the users for their preference 05:33:22 <juhp> pravins, ;) 05:33:31 <tagoh> juhp: right 05:33:34 <juhp> I know - I broke it ;) 05:33:41 <juhp> well new upstream actually lol 05:34:04 <juhp> well I thought it was working before I pushed it but seems not.... 05:34:36 <pravins> yeah, it is not working now, good time to orphan 05:34:37 <juhp> tagoh: ah right - I would suggest just hardcoding it 05:34:41 <juhp> for now anyway 05:34:51 <tagoh> juhp: yep 05:35:00 <juhp> not sure of use cases for user fallback :) 05:35:51 <tagoh> dueno: what's disabling some engines in ibus-m17n going on? did you get any feedbacks after that? 05:35:56 <juhp> pravins, haha - I guess I needn't have bothered to take it and break it ;o) 05:36:08 <dueno> tagoh: no feedback so far 05:36:25 <tagoh> juhp: hm, yeah. to make it simple, maybe better hardcoding xim. 05:36:32 <juhp> ok 05:37:02 <juhp> hopefully noone will notice ;o) 05:37:06 <juhp> :) 05:37:10 <tagoh> dueno: okay. so what's the plan for that so far? 05:37:23 <dueno> anyway I'll disable some obviously useless engines soon 05:37:29 <pravins> juhp: i am very loyal user of stardict from long time :), best thing is it provides stardict-dict-hi (Hindi) like packages so we get meaning of word in local language as well. 05:37:36 <tagoh> dueno: okay. good 05:37:55 <juhp> pravins, aha - well I was thinking to revert it... with epoch 05:38:07 <juhp> pravins, can you try goldendict? 05:38:25 <pravins> juhp: sure, i will it try today and will update you. thanks 05:38:37 <juhp> or if you want to have it.... ;o) :) 05:38:43 <tagoh> any updates or news to share on IM? 05:41:00 <pravins> tagoh: not much on indic-typing-booster, but as you know presented about it in Fudcon 11 05:41:24 <tagoh> sure. cool 05:41:28 <pravins> slides available at fudcon.in/sites/default/files/slides/NG-input-method-for-indian-languages.pdf 05:42:07 <tagoh> how was it? :) 05:43:43 <tagoh> fujiwarat: do you have anything for ibus? 05:44:06 <pravins> it was nice :) there was lots of student. hoping will get some contributions from them :) 05:44:17 <pravins> thanks tagoh 05:44:32 <tagoh> aha 05:45:54 <fujiwarat> Ah, mainly I focused on bug fixes last week. As you know, ibus-1.4.0-10 was integrated. Also I implemented to run xmodmap in ibus. 05:46:10 <juhp> aha 05:46:38 <fujiwarat> Currently I'm enhancing the ibus menu items. 05:46:44 <tagoh> cool 05:48:16 <tagoh> okay, move on then. 05:48:23 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering 05:48:37 <tagoh> epico_laptop, jni: any updates on fonts-tweak-tool? 05:49:23 <jni> tagoh, yeah, currently i still working on the fonts alias, implement the UI using the font chooser component in pygtk 05:49:40 <juhp> btw I got a suggestion from mclasen that we should look to see if we could incorporate some of fonts-tweak-tool in gnome-tweak-tool's fonts section 05:50:00 <tagoh> aha. sounds nice 05:50:01 <juhp> also wonder on the state of KDE's config 05:50:10 <juhp> also wonder on the state of KDE's font config 05:50:17 <juhp> anyone know? 05:51:15 <tagoh> hm, yeah, that would be a concern since what fonts-tweak-tool is about to do is the desktop-independent thing.. 05:51:44 <jni> juhp, ok, have not look through the gnome-tweak-tools code yet 05:52:50 <juhp> tagoh: right 05:53:25 <epico_laptop> for KDE, I think it generated .fonts.conf in the past. 05:53:41 <juhp> it is the usual problem we face - how to satisfy specific desktop and general 05:53:51 <tagoh> right 05:53:58 <jni> juhp, agree 05:54:13 <juhp> epico_laptop, ok - guess we need to check what provides now 05:54:19 <epico_laptop> yes 05:54:37 * epico_laptop will check kde4 later. 05:54:45 <tagoh> okay 05:54:53 <juhp> thanks - I'll try to have a poke around too 05:55:19 <jni> thanks juhp 05:55:48 <tagoh> dueno: so any progress or plans for (considering to) changing the default font for Korean? 05:57:08 <juhp> my feeling is we should probably just go ahead in rawhide - but sending out a headsup at the same time would be good I think - maybe encourage people to try it and test it themselves in current releases 05:57:49 <tagoh> juhp: hm, yeah, that's an idea - dunno how many people will try on rawhide though 05:58:22 <juhp> sure but at least they will see the warning :) 05:58:50 <tagoh> yep. good to send a mail at the list 05:58:53 <juhp> and some may be interested to try it out themselves 05:58:59 <tagoh> to 05:59:08 <tagoh> right 05:59:32 <juhp> we could also make it a mini feature 05:59:46 <juhp> that would be transparent at least 06:00:05 <tagoh> given that we'll change it, it should be mentioned in the relnotes anyway, though 06:00:10 <juhp> sure 06:00:59 <tagoh> dueno: can you make some progress for that? 06:01:48 <tagoh> anything else on fonts and rendering? 06:02:52 <pravins> tagoh: not any update, there are some news bug reported last week 06:02:53 <dueno> tagoh: sure, will post a mail on the list 06:04:00 <pravins> .bug 751566 06:04:02 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 751566 Shape of U+0472/U+0473 wrong - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=751566 06:05:25 <tagoh> dueno: thanks 06:05:27 <tagoh> pravins: aha 06:05:29 <pravins> tagoh: i will work at the end of month on these bugs 06:05:40 <tagoh> okay, thanks 06:06:32 <tagoh> anything else we are missing in the agenda? 06:08:11 <tagoh> otherwise will close the meeting shortly. 06:10:03 <tagoh> okay, thanks everyone for the meeting! 06:10:55 <tagoh> #endmeeting