05:02:47 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n 05:02:47 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 19 05:02:47 2012 UTC. The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:02:47 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 05:02:52 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n 05:02:52 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n' 05:03:00 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call 05:03:11 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-01-19 05:03:34 <tagoh> let's have weekly i18n meeting now. who else here today? 05:04:57 <juhp> hi 05:05:12 <dueno> hi 05:05:38 <jni> hi 05:06:21 <fujiwarat> hi 05:07:58 <tagoh> hi guys, okay, let's get started. 05:08:03 <tagoh> #topic F17 05:08:32 <epico_laptop> hi 05:08:36 <tagoh> any updates on your features? 05:08:51 <pravins> hi 05:09:31 <tagoh> pravins: btw do you have any pointer for 22 official indian languages support? I couldn't find it out in any categories for feature pages. 05:09:33 <paragan> hi 05:09:39 <pravins> tagoh: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Additional_Indic_Langs moved this feature to FeatureReadyForWrangler 05:10:03 <tagoh> pravins: ah, okay. thanks! 05:10:30 <pravins> tagoh: welcome, hoping to get it moved to ReadForFesco soon 05:10:54 <tagoh> yep. added it to the agenda. 05:11:53 <tagoh> jni: how's fonts-tweak-tool going on? 05:13:31 <jni> tagoh, hi, i use libeasyfc to get fonts list and use Gtkcombobox to display it, also modify the language list and choose language dialog. 05:15:03 <juhp> jni, is it in github or ? 05:15:06 <jni> tagoh, the next step i think is to combine them together, implement the function for "apply" button, write it fonts alias to a file 05:15:20 <jni> juhp, yeah, it is in the github 05:15:40 <jni> https://github.com/jamesni/fonts-tweak-tool 05:17:44 <juhp> cool 05:17:49 <tagoh> okay.. 05:18:56 <tagoh> the feature page is still incomplete to propose. this is the main concern to move next step. I'll help some to complete it 05:19:30 <juhp> aha yes please 05:19:47 <juhp> jni, we need that before you go for holiday 05:20:04 <tagoh> jni: please update the percentage of completion as well. at least you're starting to implement it, it shouldn't be still 0%. 05:20:25 <jni> tagoh, ok 05:21:04 <jni> juhp, ok, i will update the feature page this afternoon. 05:21:10 <tagoh> cool 05:21:26 <jni> tagoh, thanks 05:22:55 <tagoh> how about IndicUnicode6? 05:24:18 <pravins> tagoh: yes, that is approved now :) 05:24:26 <pravins> work in going on it 05:24:32 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IndicUnicode6 05:25:29 <tagoh> sure. how much tasks you've done and you need to do so far? 05:26:07 <tagoh> pravins: that would be nice if you can update the page if there are any progress. 05:26:18 <pravins> tagoh: yes, sure. i will update it 05:26:24 <tagoh> thanks 05:27:11 <anish_> I have written this feature ,https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ibus-european-table 05:27:22 <anish_> please let me know your comments 05:27:31 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ibus-european-table 05:27:37 <tagoh> anish_: guess you may need to follow the format in current status to what others do? 05:28:46 <anish_> tagoh, i am not getting it , i have used empty template 05:30:10 <tagoh> anish_: template should contains the targeted release, the last updated and the percentage of completion in current status. 05:30:45 <anish_> tagoh, ohh okie i will update that 05:30:48 <anish_> thanks 05:31:30 <juhp> anish_, I can also help to review it this week when it is ready 05:31:50 <anish_> thanks juhp 05:31:53 <tagoh> epico_laptop: how about libpinyin? 05:32:19 <juhp> looks like we will have a lot of features this time for f17 :-) 05:32:37 <epico_laptop> libpinyin is FeatureReadyForFesco 05:32:50 <epico_laptop> and libpinyin 0.5.0 released. 05:33:40 <tagoh> juhp: yeah 05:34:07 <tagoh> epico_laptop: cool. 05:34:13 <epico_laptop> :) 05:35:13 <tagoh> btw any news for indic-typing-booster in f17? just wonder if we need to keep it in the agenda? 05:35:48 <anish_> i am planning to release in beta version 05:36:47 <tagoh> we could move it under the input method topic perhaps? 05:37:04 <pravins> tagoh: i was thinking to report feature for it 05:37:11 <tagoh> aha 05:37:23 <pravins> but i guess, additional indic language and Unicode6.0 going to take my full time 05:37:43 <tagoh> I see 05:38:03 <anish_> i will file feature for it 05:38:08 <pravins> anish_: that will be nice 05:38:12 <juhp> cool 05:38:22 <tagoh> okay. nice 05:38:29 <pravins> tagoh: we have done lots of improvement for it and it deserve feature 05:38:52 <pravins> anish_: i am about to complete Malayalam language support in typing booster 05:38:53 <juhp> anish_, just a thought - an alternative would be to compose the typing-booster features 05:38:59 <juhp> but two is fine too 05:39:08 <pravins> juhp: yes, good idea 05:39:36 <tagoh> juhp: aha. yeah, that may be a good idea. 05:39:42 <anish_> yes but indic -typing is little different 05:39:47 * juhp is not sure how many features FESCo wants to look at :) 05:39:49 <juhp> anish_, true 05:39:57 <juhp> ok 05:40:34 <juhp> let's have two then? :) 05:40:40 <anish_> yes :) 05:40:44 <pravins> juhp: yes 05:40:50 <juhp> but have to be quick :) 05:41:16 <anish_> yes need to finish in this 05:41:19 <tagoh> dunno about branding but that sounds good to have one from the branding POV but not separate features, but anyway. 05:41:26 <juhp> true 05:41:38 <juhp> valid point 05:41:54 <juhp> well have think about it anyway 05:42:09 <juhp> two is not always better than one :) 05:42:47 <pravins> juhp: or may be we can give update regarding ITB from i18nrelease notes? 05:42:59 <pravins> lets wait for Fedora 18 05:43:18 <pravins> i think by F18, we will have more language supports in ITB 05:43:48 <juhp> from branding point of view https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TypingBooster sounds stronger 05:43:52 <pravins> tagoh: what you say? 05:43:55 <juhp> as tagoh also suggests 05:44:11 <tagoh> juhp: yeah 05:44:52 <juhp> one stronger feature is better than two smaller ones so maybe give it, a little more thought? 05:44:54 <tagoh> that can covers *-typing-booster features, including english-* and indic-* if theree are any. 05:45:01 <juhp> right 05:45:11 <pravins> juhp: but i think english has more audience, so better to highlight only it then 05:45:25 <juhp> pravins, well people can see both 05:45:52 <juhp> pravins, anyway the name was your idea... :) 05:46:19 <pravins> thanks :) good to see we are moving to generic feature for fedora 05:46:33 <pravins> s/to/towards 05:46:57 <tagoh> okay, anything else for f17? 05:46:57 <juhp> well more general feature is interesting for wider audience at least 05:47:05 <pravins> yes, fair enough 05:47:08 <tagoh> juhp: right 05:48:09 <tagoh> okay, let's move on then. 05:48:16 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods 05:48:32 <tagoh> any updates, news or concerns to share? 05:49:37 <tagoh> fujiwarat: anything from ibus? 05:49:48 <anish_> ibus-european-table-1.1.5-1 is available for testing 05:50:06 <anish_> i have added couple of features 05:50:19 <tagoh> anish_: aha 05:50:23 <juhp> I like the "tab completion" :) 05:50:34 <anish_> juhp, thanks 05:50:42 <tagoh> sounds nice 05:51:05 <juhp> (Tab is now an alternative for 1 in the candidate list) 05:51:44 <juhp> hmm one could also make Tab an alternative for Down perhaps? 05:52:00 <juhp> ie go through the candidate list 05:52:07 <anish_> juhp, that would be good idea 05:52:20 <fujiwarat> I'm implementing new ibus-gnome3 with ibus-xkb which requires rawhide gnome-shell & mutter. I try to use libgnomekbd not to use xkb directly. 05:52:33 <tagoh> juhp: aha. I like that one rather than behaving a shortcut of 1. 05:53:10 <juhp> aha f17 has gnome-shell-3.3 05:53:16 <juhp> ok 05:53:17 <pravins> tagoh: yes agree 05:53:58 <tagoh> saw a mail that there are some breakage around gnome-shell in rawhide now btw. 05:54:01 <juhp> anish_, may also be good for indic booster :) 05:54:13 <juhp> I see 05:54:25 <juhp> yeah I think I couldn't get gnome to startup 05:54:29 <anish_> juhp, yes agree 05:54:43 <pravins> yes, anish_ do add frequency based sorting as well in ITB 05:54:52 <fujiwarat> Yeah, I fixed some build issues locally. 05:54:59 <juhp> aha 05:55:56 <tagoh> okay, good 05:56:19 <tagoh> anything else for IM? 05:56:23 <juhp> (3.2.2 seems to be coming to f16 updates-testing too) 05:56:55 <juhp> wonder if all the indicators need rebuilding for that? 05:57:05 <juhp> or extensions 05:57:46 <tagoh> guess so because of the API changes. 05:57:51 <fujiwarat> Yeah, I think it's a bug fix. 05:58:16 <tagoh> ah, for updates? 05:58:21 <tagoh> dunno 05:59:06 <fujiwarat> Ah, I meant the 3.2.2 update. 05:59:12 <tagoh> anyway, if there are no updates for IM any more, let's move on then. 05:59:48 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering 06:00:41 <tagoh> mistakenly pushed new libeasyfc package for f16 updates before moving 0.3 to stable... 06:00:57 <pravins> resolved bug resolved 781938 in smc-fonts 06:01:23 <tagoh> anyway, it fixes some bugs, good to use it anyway.. 06:01:29 <pravins> it had few characters on Unicode reserved locations, so now it is Unicode compliant 06:01:58 <juhp> tagoh: cool 06:02:04 <tagoh> pravins: cool 06:05:33 <tagoh> btw kurdit-unikurd-web-fonts seems orphaning though, does anyone have interests to maintain? 06:06:43 <pravins> tagoh: it is for which language 06:06:51 <tagoh> Kurdish 06:07:15 <tagoh> it seems a default font for it 06:07:21 <tagoh> http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f16-defaultfonts.html 06:08:07 <tagoh> more details for other packages going to orphan if you haven't read yet: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-January/161324.html 06:08:49 <pravins> tagoh: yes, i can take it 06:08:59 <juhp> nice 06:09:05 <tagoh> pravins: thanks! 06:09:28 <paragan> I will take that font package 06:09:50 <juhp> ok first one to pkgdb ;) :) 06:09:53 <pravins> paragan: sure and thanks :) 06:10:02 <juhp> :) 06:10:27 <juhp> tagoh: nice catch 06:10:38 <tagoh> okay, anything else for fonts/rendering? 06:10:54 <juhp> dunno if there are any other i18n-ish packages - I didn't notice any particularly 06:11:22 <tagoh> juhp: me neither 06:11:28 <juhp> ok 06:12:01 <juhp> little OT but I noticed that f14 are still open? 06:12:09 <juhp> erm f14 bugs 06:12:34 <tagoh> juhp: yeah, not yet running auto-close this time. 06:12:37 <tagoh> dunno why 06:12:41 <juhp> well some of them may be fonts bugs ;) :) 06:12:47 <juhp> okay - maybe soon then 06:13:09 <juhp> anyway 06:13:37 <tagoh> okay, guess better stop the meeting here then. 06:13:50 <tagoh> thanks everyone for the meeting! 06:14:03 <anish_> thank you 06:14:18 <tagoh> #endmeeting