05:01:29 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
05:01:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 10 05:01:29 2012 UTC.  The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:01:33 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
05:01:33 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
05:01:40 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:01:51 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-05-10
05:02:06 <tagoh> hi guys, time to have i18n meeting
05:02:59 <paragan> hi
05:03:07 <dueno> hi
05:03:16 <anish_> hi
05:05:09 <fujiwarat> hi
05:05:26 <tagoh> okay, time to get started.
05:05:31 <tagoh> #topic F17
05:05:53 <pravins> hi
05:06:01 <juhp> hi
05:06:24 <tagoh> well, test compose for GA is on going. currently TC4 is available.
05:06:44 * pravins using F17 beta now
05:06:55 <tagoh> if no slips happens, May 22 is a release date for f17 so far.
05:08:01 <tagoh> there are no i18n related blocker nor nth bugs. so we don't have any bugs possibly can be included into GA but we still have a chance to get fixes for 0-day updates as usual.
05:08:04 * anish_ also using F17 beta
05:08:46 <tagoh> we have 24 bugs open for f17 and 86 bugs for rawhide now. is there any important bugs we need to focus on more?
05:12:43 <tagoh> pravins: any plans to push updates for #799384?
05:13:19 <pravins> tagoh: yes, will do today
05:13:25 <tagoh> cool
05:14:39 <tagoh> pravins: how about #748710 ?
05:14:45 <juhp> hmm wondering about:
05:14:49 <juhp> .bug 770024
05:14:51 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 770024 Empty window in LANG=ko_KR.UTF-8 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=770024
05:15:28 <tagoh> maybe good to check if you have any bugs keeps MODIFIED
05:16:29 <juhp> (hmm seems some progress upstream for that bug)
05:17:15 <tagoh> aha
05:21:44 <tagoh> yeah, that looks good. hope it will get fixed in upstream shortly.
05:21:49 <tagoh> okay, anything more for f17?
05:23:48 <tagoh> better move on then
05:23:56 <tagoh> #topic F18
05:25:19 <tagoh> so does anyone have any proposal for f18 yet?
05:27:01 <pravins> tagoh: i have to retire all typing-booster packages for fedora, since ibus-huspell obsoluting it.
05:27:09 <pravins> ibus-huspell-table
05:27:17 <tagoh> aha
05:27:38 <tagoh> pravins: are you planning in f18?
05:27:42 <pravins> yes
05:27:59 <tagoh> okay. good to have one for migration I guess?
05:28:32 <pravins> yes, i think anish_ is going to file feature for ibus-huspell-table in f18, so in that feature we can mentioned regarding retiring *booster packages
05:28:55 <tagoh> good
05:29:12 <anish_> pravins, yes i am going to file a feature
05:30:20 <tagoh> once you filed it, that would be nice if you can point out the url in the meeting
05:30:41 <anish_> tagoh, thanks sure i will do that
05:31:26 <tagoh> fujiwarat: wonder if there will be any features that is worth filing for ibus in f18?
05:32:02 <tagoh> anish_: thanks
05:32:45 <fujiwarat> tagoh: I will separate ibus engines/ui from ibus as ibus-xkb in f18. Maybe it's good to create ibus-gjs too.
05:33:06 <tagoh> aha
05:34:51 <tagoh> is there anything else from ibus except packaging?
05:35:23 <fujiwarat> Hmm.., maybe nothing.
05:35:56 <tagoh> so bug fixes and improvements to make it more stable?
05:36:27 <fujiwarat> Probably I think so.
05:37:10 <tagoh> just wondering when we can see gnome ibus integration :)
05:37:32 <tagoh> anyway
05:38:37 <tagoh> anything more? we still have a time to think about more. so will remind it later here.
05:39:10 <tagoh> shall we move on?
05:39:34 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:39:57 <tagoh> any updates/news/concerns to share about IM?
05:41:08 <juhp> not exactly but wondering if anyone here wants to take over stardict?
05:41:56 <juhp> I don't really use it much myself and don't have much time/motivation to maintain it much longer...
05:42:47 <juhp> s/much//
05:42:48 <anish_> i can take it
05:42:54 <juhp> anish_, okay
05:43:02 <juhp> thanks
05:43:10 <anish_> juhp, thanks
05:45:10 <tagoh> cool. anytihng else?
05:45:24 <fujiwarat> ibus-1.4.99.20120428-1.fc17 is now in stable. I modified the swticher UI with more compactly on gnome-shell.
05:45:54 <fujiwarat> s/gnome-shell/gtk/
05:46:13 <tagoh> aha
05:49:10 <tagoh> okay, anything more?
05:50:50 <tagoh> if not, let's move on then.
05:51:21 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:51:38 <tagoh> any updates for fonts and rendering?
05:53:23 <pravins> Lohit updates now stable in Fedora 17
05:53:37 <tagoh> cool
05:55:53 <pravins> for some of the lohit fonts, i have not enabled autohinting in conf file but it giving very bad effect in F17 Bet
05:56:03 <pravins> Beta, i will build them this week
05:56:36 <pravins> example Lohit-Tamil
05:56:59 <tagoh> aha. so back to enable autohinting again?
05:58:36 <pravins> tagoh: we have already done for some of the lohit fonts
05:59:01 <pravins> dunno how i miss Lohit tamil, it also has some hinting instruction, thats why bytecode getting applied to it.
06:00:12 <VICODAN2> hi
06:00:26 <VICODAN2> i have a question about fonts, please let me know when I can speak
06:01:21 <tagoh> pravins: okay. good info; wondering if we should enable autohint by default in f18
06:01:37 <tagoh> VICODAN2: sure. go ahead :)
06:02:28 <pravins> VICODAN2: yeah, we should i think. If possible i think it will be good to have a list before that i.e. which fonts need bytecode and which one autohint
06:02:32 <VICODAN2> okay
06:02:43 <VICODAN2> my package BitchX was invented before UTF8 existed
06:02:46 <pravins> VICODAN2: it was for tagoh, please ignore
06:02:50 <VICODAN2> xterm uses UTF8
06:03:12 <VICODAN2> I can get it to display properly if I add IBM PC450 or whatever in xterm
06:03:26 <VICODAN2> what advice would you give me (besides recoding the client to output in UTF8)
06:05:20 <tagoh> in xterm or any other apps?
06:05:36 <VICODAN2> any terminal
06:05:38 <VICODAN2> like gnome terminal
06:05:42 <VICODAN2> kdeterminal
06:05:46 <VICODAN2> "konsole"
06:06:11 <VICODAN2> it "works" but you ANSI art does not display properly.
06:06:52 <VICODAN2> if you want to test it just yum instal BitchX on f17 and open a terminal and type BitchX nickname irc.freenode.net type /info 4 then /whois vicodan2 then change encoding to IBM PC450 and see the difference
06:07:10 <VICODAN2> (after you run those commands again)
06:07:43 <VICODAN2> we have a "cp437.c" but it is not integrated into the sourcecode as of right now, was wondering if there was any kind of work around minus completely coding it in to the source
06:09:18 <tagoh> guess you are facing spacing issue or something like that? can't say off hand what you are expecting to work _properly_.
06:09:37 <VICODAN2> no it's not a spacing issue
06:09:47 <VICODAN2> it's a problem with BitchX not outputting in UTf8
06:10:21 <VICODAN2> i appreciate you listening/thinking about my question btw. thanks.
06:10:40 * VICODAN2 slaps oget_ around a bit with a large trout
06:10:43 <VICODAN2> oops
06:10:45 <tagoh> maybe good to talk about it after the meeting :)
06:10:47 <VICODAN2> i was gunna say
06:10:51 <VICODAN2> okay
06:10:52 <VICODAN2> yes
06:10:59 <VICODAN2> please continue
06:11:10 <tagoh> okay, so anything more for fonts and rendering?
06:11:13 <VICODAN2> i will create a document with steps to reproduce for you
06:12:40 <tagoh> VICODAN2: okay
06:12:52 <tagoh> okay, move on then.
06:12:56 <tagoh> #topic Open Floor
06:13:11 <tagoh> is there any other topics we are missing in the agenda?
06:15:09 <tagoh> otherwise, let's close the meeting shortly
06:16:09 <tagoh> okay, thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:16:11 <tagoh> #endmeeting