06:01:07 <tagoh_> #startmeeting i18n
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06:01:11 <tagoh_> #meetingname i18n
06:01:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:01:13 <pravins> hi
06:01:17 <tagoh_> #topic agenda and roll call
06:01:22 <tagoh_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-09-06
06:01:27 <epico> hi
06:01:33 <tagoh_> hi, shall we have i18n meeting now
06:01:56 <paragan> tagoh_, hi
06:02:25 <juhp> hi
06:02:30 <fujiwarat> hi
06:03:14 <anish_> hi
06:04:05 <tagoh_> okay, let's get started.
06:04:10 <tagoh_> #topic F18
06:05:01 <tagoh_> fujiwarat: how's your feature going on? can you update current progress and plans?
06:08:49 <tagoh_> while waiting for that, as we discussed in the last meeting, i18n test day has been postponed to 18th September: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-18_i18n
06:09:08 <tagoh_> and 20th for translation: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-20_l10n
06:09:44 <juhp> aha
06:09:47 <fujiwarat> The following is the todo list:
06:09:50 <fujiwarat> https://live.gnome.org/action/diff/ThreePointFive/Features/IBus
06:09:52 <pravins> aha, that is very important us this time, considering Harfbuzz is now available in Fedora 18
06:10:01 <tagoh_> please double-check if all of test cases is up-to-date for f18.
06:10:35 <fujiwarat> Ah https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/IBus
06:10:38 <pravins> Alam: for Harfbuzz i think for now, we can only go with UTRRS testing?
06:10:47 <tagoh_> fujiwarat: aha. thanks
06:11:13 <Alam> pravins: yes, UTRRS ready
06:11:25 <pravins> thanks Alam
06:13:37 <tagoh_> anything more on f18 so far?
06:14:54 <tagoh_> pravins: should we have any particular test cases for harfbuzz or is current one good enough?
06:15:38 <pravins> tagoh_: i think for now UTRRS is sufficient
06:15:56 <tagoh_> okay
06:16:10 <pravins> i think we can get even more feeback during L10n testing, when they will check GUI with language strings
06:16:21 <tagoh_> true
06:17:03 <Alam> or user will not find difference at all:)
06:17:23 <pravins> Alam: yeah, that is ultimate goal :)
06:19:03 <juhp> so rendering looks identical so far?
06:19:53 <pravins> for Devanagari Yes
06:20:57 <tagoh_> we may still see application specific rendering issue maybe, due to not using harfbuzz.
06:21:45 <paragan> I think if they are using pango then they should not see any issues
06:22:05 <paragan> as harfbuzz is not directly linked against them
06:22:17 <tagoh_> right
06:22:58 <tagoh_> okay, anything more?
06:23:23 <paragan> I see upstream shows Tamil, Tibetian, Oriya in very good rendering support
06:23:37 <tagoh_> great
06:25:06 <tagoh_> do we still need to improve moving cursor and the behavior on backspace and delete key maybe?
06:26:46 <paragan> that is still need to be tested
06:27:01 <tagoh_> okay
06:27:40 <tagoh_> any other concerns? or shall we move on if not?
06:29:19 <tagoh_> okay, move on then.
06:29:23 <tagoh_> #topic Input Methods
06:29:57 <tagoh_> anything you want to discuss for IM?
06:32:27 <tagoh_> hm, okay. if not, let's move on.
06:32:52 <tagoh_> #topic Fonts and Rendering
06:33:04 <tagoh_> anything?
06:33:21 <pravins> improvement going on Liberation fonts
06:33:40 <tagoh_> saw some comments on bz. great
06:34:15 <pravins> now, we can definitely say that Liberation fonts are enhanced/upgrade version of croscore ;)
06:34:46 <tagoh_> nice :)
06:34:54 <pravins> actually thanks to bug reporter " Deron Meranda", he has done excellent analysis of font
06:35:08 <pravins> looking forward to release 2.00.1 by End of this month
06:35:53 <tagoh_> aha
06:35:55 <tagoh_> cool
06:36:33 <pravins> For lohit plan is to get bug reported by End of sept. against harfbuzz and fix it in Oct.
06:37:27 <tagoh_> okay
06:37:48 <juhp> so some minor tweaks might be needed perhaps?
06:40:29 <tagoh_> guess we may see some report for rfe or bug fixes on test days.
06:41:57 <tagoh_> hope upstream testing is covered as much as possible.
06:42:08 <pravins> tagoh_: yes
06:42:29 <tagoh_> anything more?
06:42:32 <pravins> Behdad said he will test for Lohit fonts but AFAIk he has not done it yet.
06:42:39 * pravins should ping him once for it
06:42:41 <tagoh_> aha
06:43:07 <tagoh_> so what font he is using for Indic testing so far?
06:43:27 <pravins> tagoh_: all Windows fonts :(
06:43:33 <tagoh_> aha
06:44:08 <pravins> and he is right, since he is planning to make new harfbuzz compatible with Windows, its better to Test it against font tested widely on Windows
06:44:45 <tagoh_> I see
06:45:40 <tagoh_> okay, move on then.
06:45:49 <tagoh_> #topic Meeting process improvements
06:47:16 <tagoh_> well, I'm trying to improve our meeting process much more, particularly to reduce a time to hold you here.
06:48:36 <tagoh_> the plan is to stop asking for something here but going along with the ticket like other team do.
06:49:06 <pravins> tagoh_: i liked the idea, in that way we can actually work on problem and solutions related to i18n
06:49:26 <tagoh_> yes
06:49:29 <paragan> tagoh_, +1
06:49:35 <juhp> yeah and open a ticket to add an agenda item
06:49:48 <pravins> problem can be any specific bug
06:49:52 <pravins> ?
06:50:20 <tagoh_> anything you want to bring up on the meeting and discuss.
06:50:22 <juhp> might also allow other teams particularly those in other timezones to more easy interact with us
06:51:09 <juhp> so anything to be discussed will be covered by a ticket?
06:51:35 <pravins> tagoh_: do we have guidelines for creating Ticket for meeting?
06:51:37 <tagoh_> that would be easy to keep on track.
06:51:44 <juhp> yes
06:52:10 <tagoh_> pravins: well, I'll create a template. or any suggestions are always welcome :)
06:52:21 <pravins> definitely :)
06:54:05 <tagoh_> I could send the agenda to the list by Wednesday and we may skip if no tickets to be discussed then. though I hope it won't often happens.
06:54:33 <juhp> sounds good
06:55:37 <tagoh_> okay, any more question?
06:56:16 <tagoh_> if no particular objections, we'll go with it for next meeting.
06:57:04 <tagoh_> i18n trac is available at https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/
06:58:00 <tagoh_> once I create a template, will file a ticket for outstanding topics, ibus feature and test day
06:58:31 <paragan> cool
06:59:44 <tagoh_> anything else? if not, shall we move on?
07:00:12 <tagoh_> #topic Open Floor
07:00:25 <tagoh_> any other topics we are missing in the agenda?
07:02:05 <tagoh_> okay, let's stop the meeting here then. thanks everyone for the meeting!
07:02:11 <tagoh_> #endmeeting