17:09:06 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2011-12-15) 17:09:06 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 15 17:09:06 2011 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:09:06 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:09:06 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:09:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:09:06 <nirik> #topic init process 17:09:52 <EvilBob> I forgot it was Thursday 17:10:06 <nirik> easy to do. ;) 17:10:15 <DiscordianUK> I have nothing much to say 17:10:23 * N3LRX 17:10:32 <nirik> I don't think we have too much today, so lets go ahead and dive in... 17:10:35 <nirik> #topic Week in review 17:10:36 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 17:10:53 <nirik> anyone have anything they would like to shout out from the past week? 17:11:15 <EvilBob> Nope 17:11:27 <nirik> seemed a pretty busy week... fair number of new folks. 17:11:30 * Sonar_Guy 17:12:06 <nirik> several folks have asked that the automated feedback announcement get dialed back some (ie, they think it's too often) 17:12:17 * nirik doesn't feel strongly either way 17:12:51 <EvilBob> Tell them to file a ticket about it... 17:12:54 <nirik> The alt failing to work in terminals issue hit a lot of people. 17:13:05 <nirik> yeah. 17:13:35 <DiscordianUK> I assume that's just Gnome folks though 17:14:00 <nirik> DiscordianUK: no, it was a gtk bug (both gtk2 and gtk3). It affected pretty much all terminal apps. ;( 17:14:14 <DiscordianUK> ahh I must have missed it 17:14:14 <nirik> I guess it didn't affect konsole. ;) 17:14:42 * nirik doesn't use alt in terminals too much... 17:14:49 <nirik> anyhow, anything else from this week? or shall we move on? 17:14:55 <jsmith> If that's the biggest problem we've got, we're doing OK :-) 17:14:56 <vwbusguy> sorry I'm late 17:15:00 * jsmith has nothing else to add 17:15:03 <nirik> jsmith: indeed. 17:15:10 <nirik> #topic Tickets 17:15:11 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 17:15:16 <nirik> we have one open ticket. 17:15:18 <IamTrying> nirik, i had your problem too in Fedora 15, gnome terminal like if i use mouse middle button to scroll it brings commands but not real scrolling. 17:15:24 <DrManhattan> jsmith, biggest problem you have is letting cyber-bullies make your community toxic. 17:15:31 <nirik> .ticket https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/93 17:15:32 <zodbot> nirik: Error: 'https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/93' is not a valid integer. 17:15:36 <DrManhattan> but that's hardly a secret :) 17:15:36 <nirik> .title https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/93 17:15:37 <zodbot> nirik: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 17:15:45 <nirik> pesky thing. 17:15:59 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/93 in any case. 17:16:19 <nirik> DrManhattan: are you here to participate? or disrupt? 17:16:19 <jsmith> Positive tickets are a good thing :-) 17:16:28 <DrManhattan> nirik, you are now ignored. 17:16:31 <nirik> kudos to affix. 17:16:44 <EvilBob> Affix: Good Job 17:17:16 <nirik> #topic Re-org discussion on mailing list 17:17:48 <nirik> I've not seen further discussion on the list on the reorg setup... I'd like to ask people to please re-read and see if there are positive things we can do from that. 17:18:09 <nirik> I'd like to see some of those things get done. 17:19:01 <nirik> at least further input from folks would be good. 17:19:13 <nirik> #info please provide input on list discussion. 17:19:19 * DiscordianUK makes a note to look 17:19:33 <nirik> #topic Upcoming meetings 17:19:54 <nirik> next two meetings are into the holidays, so many people may not be around... 17:19:58 <nirik> the 22nd and 29th... 17:20:09 <nirik> shall we skip those? (perhaps we already decided to) 17:20:17 <Sonar_Guy> =1 17:20:22 <EvilBob> We decided to 17:20:22 <Sonar_Guy> +1 17:20:33 <nirik> yeah, I guess we discussed this last week. ;) 17:20:43 <nirik> #info skipping next two meetings for holidays. 17:20:54 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:21:00 <nirik> Anyone have anything for open floor? 17:21:22 <Sonar_Guy> not me! 17:21:24 <jsmith> Just my usual reminder to please be professional in your responses 17:21:36 * nirik nods. 17:21:41 <jsmith> Remember that you reflect not only on yourself and the channel, but Fedora in general 17:21:56 <jsmith> The number one complaint I get as the FPL is still the way people are treated in IRC 17:22:00 <nirik> I'll put in a plug for http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml 17:22:07 <jsmith> nirik: +1 17:22:08 <EvilBob> Yeah the instigators are perfect! 17:22:17 <EvilBob> They reflect on no one 17:22:24 <jsmith> EvilBob: I never said they were perfect 17:22:26 <EvilBob> Ppppbbbbbttttt 17:22:38 <jsmith> EvilBob: But as members of this group, we have to hold ourselves to a higher standard 17:22:39 <DrManhattan> professionalism and EvilBob are mutually exclusive. 17:22:50 * DiscordianUK hasn't upset anyone in ages 17:22:52 <DrManhattan> thats the reason the community is abrasive and toxic now. 17:23:00 <jsmith> DrManhattan, EvilBob: Both of you please grow up and stop the personal attacks 17:23:06 <jsmith> DrManhattan, EvilBob: Now. 17:23:08 <EvilBob> Personal? 17:23:09 * nirik disagrees with DrManhattan, but he's sure entitled to think whatever he likes. 17:23:14 <EvilBob> Isaid nothing about the asshole 17:23:14 <DrManhattan> its why people can't encourage their children and family to use fedora instead of microsoft products 17:23:29 * DiscordianUK wonders 17:23:42 <DrManhattan> because who sends their grandmother into a place where cyberbullies have poisoned the community? 17:23:57 <DrManhattan> but hey, its everyone's fault but the abuser. 17:23:58 <nirik> I would ask DrManhattan to make constructive comments, but he has me on ignore, so perhaps we should just end the meeting? 17:24:03 <DiscordianUK> This seems way way oT here 17:24:05 * Sonar_Guy just shakes his head 17:24:16 <Sonar_Guy> nirik: +1 17:24:17 <nirik> DrManhattan: You are being toxic. 17:24:19 <DrManhattan> sure. 17:24:37 <DrManhattan> everyone elses fault, and you wonder why the community never improves. 17:25:17 * nirik thinks no, it's not everyone, its a pretty small group actually. 17:25:29 <jsmith> I tend to agree 17:25:33 <DiscordianUK> i move to close the meeting this is pointless 17:25:43 <DrManhattan> yeah. Run. that helps. 17:25:58 <DrManhattan> God forbid anything ever actually improve. 17:25:58 <jsmith> I also think this group works better when we're dealing with specific reports of problems, rather than accusations without any specifics 17:26:01 <Sonar_Guy> DrManhattan: Anything constructive to add? 17:26:05 <nirik> I'd be happy to discuss improving things, but there's no proposal here aside from "kill everyone I dislike" 17:26:12 <DrManhattan> Already did, thanks. 17:26:14 <nirik> jsmith: +1 17:26:50 <EvilBob> Thanks for the personal attack, it was refreshing, I had forgot what it was like... 17:26:58 <jsmith> EvilBob: Don't troll, please 17:26:59 <nirik> anyhow, if nothing else, will close out in a minute here. 17:27:13 <EvilBob> I say one thing and I am trolling 17:27:34 <DrManhattan> your trolling has RUINED the fedora help room 17:27:44 <DrManhattan> people can't go in there for help 17:27:50 <DiscordianUK> Dear me make it stop 17:27:51 <nirik> DrManhattan: they can and do all the time. 17:28:00 <jsmith> EvilBob, DrManhattan: I've asked you both to please stop. 17:28:02 <nirik> #endmeeting