17:59:37 <stoney> #startmeeting POSSE IRC Meeting 2 17:59:37 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Oct 17 17:59:37 2017 UTC. The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:59:37 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:59:37 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'posse_irc_meeting_2' 17:59:50 <stoney> Hi all, welcome to the second IRC meeting for POSSE! :) 17:59:59 <Joe_W1> Howdy! 18:00:04 <Junhua> good afternoon 18:00:07 * stoney waves 18:00:18 <stoney> Here is a link to the agenda for today's meeting. 18:00:25 <stoney> #link agenda http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2 18:00:46 <stoney> Before we begin, we should take roll. 18:00:54 <stoney> #topic Roll Call 18:00:59 * Junhua "hello" 18:01:17 <stoney> If you are participating in today's meeting, please #info your name and institution. For example, 18:01:25 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University 18:01:40 <Joe_W1> #info Joe Welch, Central Texas College 18:01:42 <Junhua> #junhua Ding, east carolina university 18:01:50 <sheckman> #info Sarah Heckman, NC State 18:01:52 <stoney> While folks are doing that... let me repost the agenda ... 18:01:59 <stoney> #link agenda http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2 18:02:07 <stoney> Welcome Joe_W1 ! 18:02:11 <stoney> welcome Junhua ! 18:02:18 <stoney> welcome sheckman ! 18:02:53 <stoney> anyone not responding I'll assume will just be lurking during this session 18:03:10 <stoney> nice :) 18:03:26 <stoney> Hi LB, If you are participating in today's meeting, please #info your name and institution 18:03:44 <stoney> for example 18:03:45 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University 18:03:51 <LB> #info Lina Battestilli, North Carolina State University 18:03:58 <stoney> welcome LB ! 18:04:08 <LB> hello 18:04:14 <stoney> and the agenda is here: http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2 18:05:07 <stoney> I'll wait 1 more minute 18:05:13 <stoney> maybe someone else will show 18:05:22 <stoney> we're at 4... that's descent :) 18:05:27 <stoney> descent... no no 18:05:52 <stoney> decent :) 18:06:00 <stoney> ok... off we go 18:06:02 <LB> how can we tell who are the active participants 18:06:07 <stoney> #topic Updates and Questions on POSSE stage 1 activities 18:06:30 <stoney> LB basically anyone who responded to my request to info up is an active participant 18:06:46 <stoney> so Joe_W1 , pirate , sheckman , and LB 18:06:48 <stoney> :) 18:06:58 <stoney> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_1_Activities 18:07:08 <stoney> There is a link to the activities 18:07:16 <stoney> How are folks doing on stage 1 activities? 18:07:38 <Joe_W1> Migrating along...specific documentation is appreciated... 18:07:49 <Joe_W1> I am on 1B, need to document in wiki. 18:08:00 <stoney> ok good 18:08:06 <sheckman> I think I'm finished with Stage 1. 18:08:06 <stoney> are you saying you need more documentation? 18:08:16 <stoney> nice sheckman ! 18:08:32 <Joe_W1> No, documentation provided is great and helpful to navigate the resources. 18:08:42 <stoney> ah good 18:08:47 <stoney> which reminds me... 18:09:14 <stoney> please remember to log your progress... and provide such useful comments in this spreadsheet... 18:09:22 <stoney> #link POSSE Activity Evaluation https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1igSyZ7wWXmlmqqgvtWTJqvsFj2wsQHVJW2qAGjnmFpA/edit#gid=0 18:09:42 <stoney> are there any questions on stage 1? 18:09:51 <stoney> anyone stuck, etc.? 18:10:04 <Joe_W1> I have no questions. 18:10:12 <stoney> :) 18:10:36 <LB> I also think the documentation for the activities is great 18:10:55 <stoney> awesome... were are you in stage 1 LB? 18:11:30 <Joe_W1> I have finished work on 1B, step 2. Need to complete writeup. 18:11:32 <LB> Is stage 1 the same as Part A? 18:11:36 * stoney just looked at the sheet.... 18:11:44 <stoney> OK, good 18:11:53 <stoney> um... no 18:12:09 <LB> Oh I see 18:12:13 <stoney> stage 1 has parts A, B, and C 18:12:19 <LB> I get it now 18:12:33 <stoney> In theory... folks should be somewhere between A and B 18:12:38 <stoney> so in the middle of B? 18:12:57 <Joe_W1> Yes... 18:13:26 <Joe_W1> Stoney, question... 18:13:32 <stoney> Joe_W1 go ahead :) 18:14:02 <Joe_W1> Several students (we are a small college) are very interested in working on one of two projects...InfoSec or Human Trafficking... 18:14:25 <stoney> awesome 18:14:35 <Joe_W1> The OS repo's for these interest areas vary from those recommended in the FOSSE steps... 18:14:36 * pirate great 18:14:58 * stoney is from CA originally... thus comments like "cool", and "awesome" 18:15:03 <Joe_W1> I do want to support the student interest as if it wanes, the OS effort at the college dissipates... 18:15:41 <Joe_W1> What are your thoughts/recs on selecting an OS project separate from those listed in FOSSE? What is the "pain" level for this? 18:16:12 <stoney> when you say "those listed in FOSSE" you mean foss2serve.org? 18:16:18 <Joe_W1> Yes... 18:16:21 <stoney> ok.. 18:17:05 <stoney> so for the purposes of POSSE (this workshop) we want to focus on specific projects so that we have a shared experience, and also we hope to form communities around those projects 18:17:42 <stoney> however, if you find a project that is a good fit for you, your students, and your institution you should certainly pursue it... 18:18:28 <Joe_W1> Have there been successful (enduring, of student value) "spinoff" efforts? 18:18:36 <stoney> as part of the POSSE experience we'll look at how to evaluate a project for fit for your course etc. 18:18:50 * stoney thinking 18:19:25 <stoney> i'm not sure I know the answer to "enduring" efforts 18:19:35 <stoney> let me ping ghislop_afk 18:19:46 <Joe_W1> Sounds good - very helpful info going forward. 18:19:48 <stoney> maybe he can answer 18:19:56 <hislopg> hi all 18:20:04 <stoney> hi hislopg 18:20:31 * hislopg reading to catch up... 18:20:34 <stoney> Can you answer Joe_W1 's question (about 10 lines or so back) 18:20:49 <stoney> (maybe a bit more) 18:20:52 * stoney looks sheepish 18:20:56 <Joe_W1> Thanks ghislop... 18:21:10 <hislopg> "enduring " is relative! there are projects that various TOS people have worked on for extended periods 18:21:31 <hislopg> there are lots of examples of things that have had value for students 18:21:43 <hislopg> we'll share specific examples in the workshop in Raleigh 18:21:59 <Joe_W1> Sounds great - thank you. 18:22:08 <hislopg> you're welcome! :-) 18:22:12 <stoney> it is challenging to sustain an effort from year to year 18:22:39 <stoney> that comment is just from my experience 18:22:46 <stoney> but I think others have had more success 18:22:53 <stoney> like Cam with Ushahidi 18:23:11 <Joe_W1> Thanks for the additional info... 18:23:21 <stoney> hope that helped :) 18:23:29 <Joe_W1> Yes, very useful. 18:23:54 <stoney> It sounds like we've already moved into the next topic 18:23:59 <stoney> so let's continue that way 18:24:05 <stoney> #topic Courses in which you plan to use HFOSS 18:24:12 <stoney> What courses do people plan to incorporate HFOSS into? 18:25:33 <Joe_W1> We have a 3 course prog sequence: aligned w/ CS0,CS1, CS2. I will introduce into CS0 course to build awareness, tool familiarity and interest. I plan to augment class interest with several workshops. 18:25:50 <LB> My interest is to see if we can use in the Senior Design course at NCSU 18:25:56 <stoney> that sounds great Joe_W1 18:26:34 <stoney> we will be talking about easy ways students can engage HFOSS projects besides code contribution 18:26:48 <stoney> LB that's a very nice fit 18:26:51 <LB> I have wanted to add Service learning projects and I think HFOSS might be way to do it. 18:27:30 <LB> We currently have one of our first service learning projects .. and keeping the support forward is already an issue! 18:28:01 <stoney> LB service learning is one of the reasons we focus on humanitarian projects... that sounds excellent 18:28:20 <stoney> LB what does "keeping the support forward" mean? 18:28:33 <LB> it is a 15 week course ... we take the students through the entire soft development cycle. The one issue 18:28:52 <LB> Meaning when this term ends .. the students graduate :) .. who will pick up the project 18:29:15 <stoney> ah... right... supporting the product after students graduate... or move on 18:29:23 <stoney> definately an issu 18:29:30 <stoney> issue* 18:30:03 <LB> in our course we ask the students to come up with some design decisions .. not just coding .. hopefully HFOSS will have some design opportunity for that. 18:30:17 <stoney> pirate, sheckman , any particular course or courses you'll be targeting? 18:30:22 <sheckman> I'm looking into how open source practices can support the project we're using in our software engineering course at NC State. 18:30:42 <stoney> LB many projects lack a clearly documented design 18:31:03 * pirate no particualr question 18:31:12 <stoney> LB I know Heidi (here at WNE) has had her students reverse engineer the design of a project and then contribute that back 18:31:26 <LB> sheckman is also an instructor in the same senior design course ... so it is good that we can discuss options together 18:31:28 <stoney> LB appears to be well received by the community 18:32:12 <stoney> LB, sheckman ah, got it 18:32:18 <pirate> I am more interested in sr. courses 18:32:29 <stoney> I'm bad putting names and faces together... adding IRC handles to the mix makes it worse :) 18:32:50 <stoney> pirate what courses do you normally teach? 18:33:04 <pirate> OS, HPC 18:33:31 <stoney> OS I get... what's HPC? 18:33:42 <pirate> high performance computing 18:34:20 <stoney> ah... OK... I'm not sure we've had folks enrich courses in those areas with HFOSS 18:34:42 <stoney> it would be interesting to brainstorm that a bit 18:35:01 <pirate> lots of open framework for hpc, 18:35:16 <pirate> opnecl, mpi, openmp, etc 18:35:23 <stoney> excellent! 18:35:35 * stoney is not familiar with HPC :) 18:36:22 <pirate> but I am suffering lacking of hardware resources, although open software is available 18:36:45 <stoney> ah... that could be a tough one 18:37:13 <stoney> none of that could be done with cloud services? 18:37:50 <pirate> NVidia and Google are working hard for cloud based open resources for education purposes 18:37:54 <stoney> I ask, because I think Red Hat has some capability there... and there may be other open source groups that might be interested in helping a school there that is trying to get students into open source 18:38:06 <stoney> ah.. .there you go :) 18:38:12 <pirate> that is fantastic!!! 18:39:01 <stoney> ok... shall we press on in our agenda? 18:39:10 <Joe_W1> Ready... 18:39:14 <stoney> #topic Stage 2 Activities 18:39:24 <stoney> We have a draft agenda posted here. 18:39:31 <stoney> #link Stage 2 http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities 18:39:38 <stoney> It will be updated, but it will give you an idea of the face-to-face workshop. 18:40:15 <stoney> Take a look... 18:40:30 <stoney> Any questions at this point about Stage 2? 18:40:44 <Joe_W1> reviewing... 18:40:52 <stoney> awesome :) 18:41:14 <stoney> while you all are reviewing ... and formulating questions.... 18:41:24 <stoney> We would like to set groups before we meet in Raleigh and have a page where you can sign up. 18:41:35 <stoney> We ask that you sign up for a course as well as a project. 18:41:45 <stoney> #link Groups http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups 18:41:54 <stoney> This will help us to form groups during stage 2. 18:42:26 <stoney> OK... I've thrown a lot out... now I'll pause and quit throwing things at you... :) 18:45:35 <stoney> What questions, thoughts, or concerns do you have about stage 2 or the groups? 18:45:50 <Joe_W1> No questions... 18:45:57 <stoney> awesome :) 18:46:07 <sheckman> I don't have any questions. 18:46:14 <stoney> pirate, LB all good? 18:46:18 <pirate> no question 18:46:19 <stoney> thanks sheckman ! :) 18:46:30 <LB> Yes thank you 18:46:33 <stoney> wow that was easy :) 18:46:44 <stoney> before I end this meeting... 18:47:05 <stoney> any other thoughts or something else you were hoping I addressed today? 18:47:18 <Joe_W1> I am good - thanks for the info/time... 18:47:20 * stoney feels like tech support with that last question 18:47:27 <Joe_W1> :) 18:47:45 <stoney> OK then... let's not make this meeting any longer than it has to be 18:47:51 <stoney> Thank you all for coming 18:47:57 <sheckman> Thank you! 18:47:59 <LB> thank you .. have a good day! 18:47:59 <pirate> thank you 18:48:00 <Joe_W1> Thanks Stoney...bye... 18:48:01 <stoney> I'll be talking to you soon! 18:48:06 <stoney> #endmeeting