21:04:20 <sgallagh> #startmeeting servsersig
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21:04:34 <sgallagh> #meetingname Server SIG Weekly Meeting (2018-01-16)
21:04:34 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'server_sig_weekly_meeting_(2018-01-16)'
21:04:44 <sgallagh> #topic Roll Call
21:04:49 <sgallagh> .hello2
21:04:50 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com>
21:04:58 <dperpeet> .hello2
21:04:59 <zodbot> dperpeet: dperpeet 'None' <dperpeet@redhat.com>
21:05:21 <langdon> .hello2
21:05:22 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@redhat.com>
21:05:34 <nirik> morning
21:07:15 <sgallagh> ok, looks like we have everyone we are goin gto
21:07:28 <sgallagh> #topic aarch64 promotion
21:07:57 <sgallagh> This was deferred from last week, but we need to have an answer for FESCo on Friday.
21:08:23 <sgallagh> The proposal is that we will ship Fedora 28 Server Edition for aarch64 as a blocking deliverable.
21:08:49 <nirik> that would be the normal repos/images + modular repos right?
21:09:02 <sgallagh> yes
21:09:33 <nirik> +1 here. I assume modules are ok on aarch64... we haven't been doing anything like only x86_64 or something. ;)
21:10:11 <sgallagh> nirik: I haven't personally *tested* it, but they have been building on all arches
21:11:01 * nirik nods
21:11:44 <sgallagh> Which brings me to my next point... what's the cheapest aarch64 board I can order so I can do my own testing?
21:12:07 <nirik> not sure. pwhalen or pbrobinson would be the ones to ask.
21:12:19 * nirik has some pine64's... but they are still serial only.
21:12:30 <dperpeet> do we have enough testing capabilities to make it a blocking deliverable?
21:13:10 <nirik> hopefully very soon we should have cloud instances in the fedora private cloud that are aarch64...
21:15:42 <pwhalen> pine64, rpi3 are cheap. 96 boards also has some we support (dragonboard, hikey).
21:16:21 <sgallagh> pwhalen: which of those support installation via USB installer and which require prebuilt disk images?
21:17:13 <pwhalen> most of the boards are going to be prebuilt disk images
21:18:04 <pwhalen> the enterprise hw supports USB/pxe installs
21:18:24 <nirik> should we be more specific about what exact thing we want to make release blocking?
21:18:40 <pwhalen> sgallagh, there is hw in beaker you can use for testing as well.
21:19:22 <pwhalen> sgallagh, we might be able to get you some enterprise hw, I know you were on a list
21:19:52 <sgallagh> nirik, pwhalen: I think it might be best to pick 2-3 popular/important boards that we consider blocking and treat the rest as "best effort"
21:20:02 <bowlofeggs> supposedly the rpi is not vulnerable to the meltdown stuff because it's processor doesn't do anything fancy at all (and is very slow :))
21:21:18 <nirik> sgallagh: +1
21:21:22 <pwhalen> sgallagh, I can discuss that with pbrobinson and get back to you, he should be online later this evening
21:23:00 <smooge> hello
21:24:00 <smooge> sgallagh, that was what I was trying to say earlier in wanting to know if rpi or something else was 'supported'
21:24:09 <sgallagh> Proposal: We will defer to the ARM SIG to propose up to  four aarch64 boards that we will consider release-blocking for Server Edition. Any others will be treated as non-blocking, but supported if they pass blocker tests.
21:24:27 <smooge> we could then focus on some specific hardware and call the rest clearly "good effort"
21:24:33 <sgallagh> (Straw-man, feel free to suggest different phrasing)
21:24:56 <smooge> +1
21:25:06 <pwhalen> sgallagh, sounds good, +1
21:25:54 <nirik> +1
21:26:02 <dperpeet> +1
21:27:03 <sgallagh> ok, let's call that agreed then
21:27:20 <sgallagh> #agreed We will defer to the ARM SIG to propose up to  four aarch64 boards that we will consider release-blocking for Server Edition. Any others will be treated as non-blocking, but supported if they pass blocker tests.
21:27:46 <sgallagh> pwhalen: May I #action you to provide us with that list by Friday (before FESCo)?
21:28:04 <pwhalen> sounds good
21:29:13 <sgallagh> #action pwhalen to provide a list of blocking hardware
21:29:25 <sgallagh> #topic Next Meeting
21:29:52 <sgallagh> I expect that we won't have quorum for the next two weeks, due to DevConf.cz and FOSDEM.
21:30:14 <sgallagh> Shall we just decide now that the next meeting will be Feb 06?
21:30:23 <nirik> works for me.
21:30:33 <dperpeet> +1
21:30:51 <smooge> sounds good.
21:32:00 <smooge> i can run the meeting for the crickets if needed
21:32:15 <sgallagh> smooge++
21:32:15 <zodbot> sgallagh: Karma for smooge changed to 10 (for the f27 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:32:30 <sgallagh> #info the next Server SIG meeting will be 2018-02-06
21:32:36 <sgallagh> #topic Open Floor
21:32:41 <sgallagh> Anything for Open Floor?
21:33:10 <smooge> server4eva
21:33:40 <smooge> no not really
21:33:45 <langdon> is that going on a t-shirt?
21:35:23 <sgallagh> OK, if there's nothing else, have 25 minutes back. I give them to you.
21:35:26 <sgallagh> #endmeeting