21:27:36 <quaid> #startmeeting 21:27:36 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 23 21:27:36 2010 UTC. The chair is quaid. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:27:36 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:27:52 <quaid> #name Capture tasks for The Open Source Way 21:27:53 * MarkDude has some info and ideas for the citations and examples needed 21:28:02 <quaid> right 21:29:06 <quaid> #action Update tasks wiki page with notes from this meeting 21:29:37 <quaid> so there are groups of things to be done in the area of Principles, Implementation, and Examples 21:30:02 <quaid> #action In the principle chapters, examples need to be placed that are not software-specific 21:30:15 <quaid> #action Principles need to be filled out where empty 21:30:29 <quaid> #action Implementation details need filling out, where empty 21:30:40 <quaid> I think we are at the point where people want to make content happen and progress go 21:30:51 <quaid> so there isn't a need to "artificially" keep examples open any longer 21:31:04 <quaid> for example, there is going to be endless room for cool stories in the cool stories chapter 21:31:24 <MarkDude> k 21:31:44 <quaid> #action First nested level sub-sections of the chapters need to be broken out to individual wiki pages for easy reference, then bunded using transclusion in to chapters. 21:31:58 <quaid> #action Chapter content order needs reconsidering, especially in the principles chapter. 21:33:36 <quaid> #info there are stubs for these Implementation chapters: marketing, design, business, IT, legal 21:33:36 <MarkDude> So more than just FOSS examples? 21:33:39 <quaid> #link https://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/Category:The_Open_Source_Way_book 21:33:43 <quaid> MarkDude: exactly 21:33:47 <quaid> actually, that's pretty important 21:34:05 <quaid> this handbook needs to unmap "the open source way" from "open source software development methodology" 21:34:16 <quaid> that way people can remap it more easily to their non-software experience 21:34:19 <MarkDude> So I am also looking for some Ubuntu help, Creative Commons, artist communities, etc 21:35:22 <quaid> like ... http://bit.ly/TOSWOpenDiscussions 21:35:32 <quaid> and an example that is real (not made up like this) might be: 21:36:38 <quaid> "A charter school had problems in the past with an elite-member board, meeting in private, and so forth, and were in danger of losing their charter for blah blah blah ... when a new Board took over, the members pledged to be extra transparent; they did this, that, and the other, ... walked around talking to people, recorded meetings to post, etc. ... the result was a rebuild of trust and a stronger charter." 21:37:00 <quaid> "A church group ...." 21:37:16 <quaid> "Jazz lovers in New Orleans after Katrina ..." 21:37:17 <quaid> etc. 21:37:21 <quaid> so ... 21:37:29 <quaid> this is what opensource.com has been gathering and writing about for months 21:37:33 <quaid> we can dig through there for stuff 21:37:39 * MarkDude will get some examples from Zareason. We do all sorts of stuff in an Open Way. 21:37:52 <MarkDude> We are talking about casting a wide net then 21:38:00 <quaid> yes 21:38:17 <quaid> because we want this to be useful to people who are a school, a church group, a jazz lover ... 21:38:30 <quaid> same thing,the chapter ... 21:38:44 <quaid> #link https://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/Great_stories_to_tell 21:39:10 <quaid> those are long stories where more than one principle are displayed; the kind of thing to break out when doing a talk or explaining something ... 21:39:24 <quaid> #action seek out more stories for Great stories to tell 21:39:52 <quaid> #action find people to collaborate on the implementation chapters, aka "Business tosw", "Legal tosw", etc. 21:40:19 <quaid> #action rrix Can we do something for TOSW @FUDCon Tempe with Richard Fontana and ASU law students? 21:40:30 <rrix> Nope, def not :) 21:40:37 * quaid cries 21:40:48 <quaid> #info It's my party, I can cry if I want to 21:40:50 <rrix> hehehe 21:40:56 <quaid> so here's another thing ... 21:41:00 <quaid> we need to do a wiki2xml 21:41:15 <quaid> there is a group who are ready to start tackling a Chinese translation! 21:41:32 <quaid> but I don't want to make them redo work for no good reason ... 21:41:42 <quaid> so we _could_ do a massive change and fix and such push through 21:41:46 <quaid> i.e., reorder on the XML side 21:41:55 <quaid> so we can make new PO/POT files for them 21:43:00 <quaid> #action XML needs updating from wiki 21:43:05 <quaid> #action New POT/PO files needed 21:43:25 <quaid> #action XML and POT/PO work are dependent on the wiki being updated and reorganized for the next release 21:43:39 <quaid> #info the wiki is the *upstream* 21:44:40 <MarkDude> So wiki is canonical, check 21:49:01 <quaid> there was some good on-list talk about reorg on the chapters and page naming ... 21:50:45 <quaid> #action Rename chapters etc. as per list discussion ... https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/tosw/2010-August/000011.html 21:50:48 <quaid> #link https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/tosw/2010-August/000011.html 21:53:52 <quaid> #action make a checklist: "Open Source Way Self-Assessment" -- something that lists all principles in one place with easy links to the principle; a way to checklist "we are doing this/not; progress yes/no"; a self-assessment to see where you or your group is on a spectrum (1 to 3, or 1 to 5) 21:54:17 <quaid> wow, that is a lot of what has been jamming up in my brain :) 22:02:23 <MarkDude> The Lafayette Green Chamber has a green checklist that has a great order to it 22:08:42 <quaid> be cool to see, got a URL? 22:12:47 <MarkDude> pdf 22:12:51 <MarkDude> http://lafayettechamber.org/community/lafayette-green/ 22:13:11 <MarkDude> http://lafayettechamber.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/GreenChecklist-Fill-in.pdf 22:24:23 <MarkDude> So collecting stories is something I can put on my plate. I'll ponder a re-arranged order for the chapters- for possible input. 22:26:47 <MarkDude> I can start with what I know best and get some ZA examples 22:26:53 <MarkDude> http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver 22:27:18 <MarkDude> taking the scary out of stuff can make it easier to do ^^ 22:31:39 <quaid> #link http://lafayettechamber.org/community/lafayette-green/ 22:32:17 <quaid> #link http://lafayettechamber.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/GreenChecklist-Fill-in.pdf 22:33:08 <quaid> you can do that with the #link too, btw :) 22:34:26 * MarkDude is behind on meeting skills 22:34:50 <MarkDude> #link http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver 22:36:08 <MarkDude> Anything else you think should be on my plate? 22:48:37 <quaid> well, we got a nice list of tasks 22:48:43 <quaid> what did you want to do in particular? 22:48:58 <quaid> we could make sure that is assigned to you here, then close the log and send it out to the list 22:49:08 <quaid> I'll invite someone to update the task wiki page :) 22:51:30 <MarkDude> seek out more stories for Great stories to tell & find people to collaborate on the implementation c 22:51:52 * MarkDude knows more than computer folks for the stories 22:52:36 <MarkDude> seeking people to help collaborate sounds like something up my alley 22:55:14 <MarkDude> Starting with Creative Commons also 22:58:37 <quaid> #action MarkDude seek out more stories for Great stories to tell & find people to collaborate on the implementation 22:58:49 <quaid> exactly 22:59:00 <quaid> yeah, for each of the stub implementation chapters I've talked with folks 22:59:07 <quaid> who are experts in those domains. 22:59:23 <MarkDude> Makes sense 23:07:25 <quaid> ok, I'm going to close the log 23:07:31 <quaid> any last anythings? 23:08:04 <MarkDude> nope, not unless you think there is something that would be beneficial for me 23:10:52 <quaid> nope 23:11:57 <quaid> #endmeeting