19:55:32 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-02-28)
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19:55:32 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
19:55:32 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
19:55:32 <brainycmurf> #chair Michael
19:55:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: Michael brainycmurf
19:55:45 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Michael, Neal, Tom, Chris, Allan, Matthias, Owen
19:55:45 <brainycmurf> #info Guests: Luna Jernberg(bittin), sumantrom, kparal, jbillings,
19:55:45 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Kalev
19:55:45 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Matthias
19:55:45 <brainycmurf> #topic Review QA plans for F38
19:55:46 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/359
19:55:48 <brainycmurf> Allan says that we've had issues with late blockerbugs for preinstalled apps.
19:55:50 <brainycmurf> Matthias mentions a nautilus bug that was filed early, but not fixed yet, so it
19:55:52 <brainycmurf> might end up a blocker bug after all.
19:55:54 <brainycmurf> Allan asks about policy changes. Sumantro says that he made a lot of changes
19:55:56 <brainycmurf> to testcases. He says exploratory testing is fine, but testcases should focus more
19:55:58 <brainycmurf> on apps whose breakage have serious impact.
19:56:00 <brainycmurf> Sumantro suggests that change proposals should have an explicit QA contact
19:56:02 <brainycmurf> to make sure that there is no fallout from conflicting changes. Allan points out
19:56:04 <brainycmurf> that we've hightlighted changes and new features for recent test days.
19:56:06 <brainycmurf> Sumantro mentions the release validation testing.
19:56:08 <brainycmurf> Allan brings up the conflict between Test day and GNOME release schedules.
19:56:10 <brainycmurf> GNOME enters hard code freeze this weekend, so ideally we should have done
19:56:14 <brainycmurf> our testing already.
19:56:16 <brainycmurf> Neal suggests packaging nightly builds.
19:56:18 <brainycmurf> Allan brings up the proposed policy of moving late blockers to the next release.
19:56:20 <brainycmurf> The KDE spin only applies the default apps criterion for selected apps (only the
19:56:22 <brainycmurf> ones that have testcases).
19:56:24 <brainycmurf> Kamil suggests small improvements:
19:56:26 <brainycmurf> - two test days (one for 'desktop', one for 'small apps')
19:56:28 <brainycmurf> - use workstations matrix room for test days (this should be in place starting with Fedora 37)
19:56:30 <brainycmurf> - encourage more exploratory testing
19:56:32 <brainycmurf> - better direction for test day participants
19:56:34 <brainycmurf> Proposed dates for test days:
19:56:36 <brainycmurf> - kernel (march 4 - 11)
19:56:38 <brainycmurf> - i18n (march 7 - 14)
19:56:40 <brainycmurf> - gnome1 (march 6 - 8)
19:56:44 <brainycmurf> - gnome2 (march 9 - 10)
19:56:46 <brainycmurf> Sumantro will do announcements on Fedora Magazine.
19:56:48 <brainycmurf> #topic Make the test day results more useful
19:56:50 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/329
19:56:52 <brainycmurf> Allan summarizes the ticket. One of the issues is the quality of the testday app.
19:56:54 <brainycmurf> Question whether we want freeform results, or encourage links to issues more.
19:56:56 <brainycmurf> Kamil says that small changes to the app are possible, but not redoing it entirely.
19:56:58 <brainycmurf> #action Allan to update the ticket
19:57:00 <brainycmurf> #topic Fedora 38 beta blockers
19:57:02 <brainycmurf> #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/38/beta/buglist
19:57:04 <brainycmurf> 0 bugs proposed / 1 bugs approved for the GNOME related components
19:57:06 <brainycmurf> Deferred to next week.
19:57:08 <brainycmurf> #topic Fedora 38 final blockers
19:57:10 <brainycmurf> #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/38/final/buglist
19:57:14 <brainycmurf> 2 bug proposed / 1 bugs approved for the GNOME related components
19:57:16 <brainycmurf> #info bug 1: fedora-workstation-repositories: workstation repos contain Google Chrome repo, but Chrome can't be installed
19:57:19 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2170839 -> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1383526
19:57:22 <brainycmurf> Michael describes this issue. Owen suggested to defer the security policu
19:57:24 <brainycmurf> change until F39. Neal thinks the suggestion is fine, but he points out that the
19:57:26 <brainycmurf> proponents of the change should have reached out to google and other 3rd party
19:57:28 <brainycmurf> repositories about this change.
19:57:30 <brainycmurf> Neal says that copr is also affected by this.
19:57:32 <brainycmurf> #info bug 2: gnome-software: Update notifications not shown with gnome-software 44 beta
19:57:34 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2172662
19:57:36 <brainycmurf> Already in verified state, nothing to discuss
19:57:38 <brainycmurf> #nfo bug 2.5:
19:57:40 <brainycmurf> gnome-initial-setup hangs if you try to set up an online account (due to SELinux denial)
19:57:44 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2159230
19:57:46 <brainycmurf> Deferred to next week
19:57:48 <brainycmurf> #info bug 3: With GTK 4.9.1 , Nautilus' target for "Move To" or "Copy To" operations is unexpected and can be invalid
19:57:51 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2173891
19:57:53 <brainycmurf> Deferred to next week
19:57:55 <brainycmurf> #topic encryption of user data (excludes system)
19:57:57 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/82
19:57:59 <brainycmurf> Deferred to next week
19:58:01 <brainycmurf> #topic encryption of system data (excludes user)
19:58:03 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/136
19:58:05 <brainycmurf> Deferred to next week
19:58:07 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements and status updates
19:58:09 <brainycmurf> Deferred to next week
19:58:13 <brainycmurf> #info Last week's meeting minutes posted
19:58:15 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-02-15/workstation.2023-02-15-19.37.log.html
20:01:15 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting