02:43:59 #startmeeting Workstation WG (2024-05-14) 02:43:59 Meeting started Wed May 15 02:43:59 2024 UTC. 02:43:59 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 02:43:59 The chair is brainycmurf. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 02:43:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:43:59 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2024-05-14)' 02:43:59 #meetingname workstation 02:43:59 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 02:43:59 #chair Neal 02:43:59 Current chairs: Neal brainycmurf 02:43:59 #info Present members: Michael, Neal, Matthias, Jens, Tomas, Allan, Chris, Owen 02:43:59 #info Guests: 02:44:00 #info Regrets: 02:44:02 #info Missing: Kalev 02:44:04 #info Secretary: Matthias 02:44:06 #info Meeting will be short because Neal is on conference time. 02:44:08 Agenda 02:44:10 #topic [Proposal] Replace GNOME with KDE in Fedora Workstation 02:44:12 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/425 02:44:14 Neal recaps the main points from last weeks discussion. 02:44:18 Matthias summarizes last weeks discussion as: 02:44:20 "We don't endorse or disagree with this change, we have some concerns, 02:44:22 but it is councils and fescos job to decide". 02:44:24 Concerns are detailed in the ticket, by Allan and others. 02:44:26 Allan wants to see an actual proposal with details instead of being 02:44:28 asked to comment on vague hypotheticals. 02:44:30 Allan thinks this might be an opportunity to revisit the workstation 02:44:32 WG practice, vision and work. 02:44:34 Both Neal and Allan think that the PRD we have is not a vision, and not 02:44:36 inspiring for community participation. It is too heavy on logical content 02:44:38 and planning and doesn't have emotional content. 02:44:40 Neal says all WGs suffer from this, with the exception of cloud. Allan 02:44:42 agrees. 02:44:46 Suggestion from Neal is to reach out to mindshare to have a discussion 02:44:48 about inspiration and story-telling. 02:44:50 Michael suggests that we should provide feedback to the kde sig or we 02:44:52 may end up not liking the outcome. 02:44:54 Owen suggests that a kde edition should retain kde branding, and he 02:44:56 doesn't think differentiation along use cases is great ("workstation" vs 02:44:58 "fun desktop"). 02:45:00 Michael agrees that a single default experience is important. 02:45:02 Owen says that it is somewhat unclear what edition means. 02:45:04 #action Michael is going to draft a comment / position statement 02:45:06 #topic Announcements, follow-ups, status reports 02:45:08 Matthias mentions that there is a package review for ptyxis by Nieves. 02:45:10 ptyxis is also available on flathub. 02:45:12 KDE style fractional scaling is being worked on by Jonas Adahl and is planned for GNOME 47. 02:45:16 #topic Open Floor 02:45:18 #endmeeting