2024-06-05 17:00:45 <@pboy:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora-server
2024-06-05 17:00:46 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-06-05 17:00:45 UTC
2024-06-05 17:00:46 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora-server'
2024-06-05 17:01:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic Welcome / roll call
2024-06-05 17:01:24 <@pboy:fedora.im> We wait some mins for people to show up.
2024-06-05 17:01:51 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Hello, all
2024-06-05 17:02:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> Welcome eseyman!
2024-06-05 17:05:26 <@pboy:fedora.im> Seem to be a small line-up today. 
2024-06-05 17:05:54 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Indeed
2024-06-05 17:06:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> We don't even reach the quorum
2024-06-05 17:06:40 <@pboy:fedora.im> Let's wait another 5 mins.
2024-06-05 17:06:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-06-05 17:06:55 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-06-05 17:07:09 <@pboy:fedora.im> Hi Neal!
2024-06-05 17:12:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, I don't think it makes sense today. We depend on John and on Tomas for the important things. 
2024-06-05 17:13:02 <@pboy:fedora.im> We should aim to have an out-of-order meeting next week.
2024-06-05 17:13:12 <@pboy:fedora.im> And discuss and prepare it on mailing list.
2024-06-05 17:13:38 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I will send private emails to the usual suspects to tell them about the meeting
2024-06-05 17:13:54 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, good idea!
2024-06-05 17:14:24 <@eseyman:fedora.im> humm... Not sure next week works for me
2024-06-05 17:14:31 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I'll try
2024-06-05 17:14:51 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Peter Boy: I will reply tonight to your email re Flock
2024-06-05 17:15:09 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah,thanks.
2024-06-05 17:15:31 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> Hello. element was giving me trouble logging in
2024-06-05 17:15:32 <@pboy:fedora.im> I think, we close for now? OK with that?
2024-06-05 17:16:36 <@pboy:fedora.im> Oh, hi! And I thought the Elements / login issue is resolved.
2024-06-05 17:17:12 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> For some reason 2fa takes 3 tries 
2024-06-05 17:18:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> so to speak, 3fa  :-)
2024-06-05 17:19:34 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> true
2024-06-05 17:20:53 <@pboy:fedora.im> Well, how do we want to proceed? Close now or e.g. deal with the last 2 topics, goals and open floor? 
2024-06-05 17:22:13 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Let's do something, at least... 
2024-06-05 17:22:56 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, lets start with the goals topic, we postpone that for weeks now.
2024-06-05 17:23:24 <@pboy:fedora.im> !topic  Fedora Server goal(s) and "story" for F41 / F42
2024-06-05 17:23:37 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/134
2024-06-05 17:23:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> !link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/CYBDCSRVIIBDEL3ZQ2GY7XWWB2KIN63P/
2024-06-05 17:25:25 <@eseyman:fedora.im> E sounds like a good story that could be done for F41
2024-06-05 17:25:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah, the file server, 
2024-06-05 17:25:59 <@eseyman:fedora.im> D sounds like a nice one for F42
2024-06-05 17:26:29 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> agree with E for F41. 
2024-06-05 17:27:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, E is a good item. We have some work done regarding NFS and Ansible Assisteince (John worked on that).
2024-06-05 17:28:43 <@pboy:fedora.im> I would be interested in a (Fedora on VPS and rented hardware), not as a story, but a goal.
2024-06-05 17:29:47 <@pboy:fedora.im> What wold be the goals in case of E (file server)?
2024-06-05 17:30:46 <@pboy:fedora.im> I think, we dump the idea of a Cockpit module for now, or keep with the existing provisorium. We should concentrate on a working and proper Ansible support. 
2024-06-05 17:32:19 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> so Ansible to install NFS and/or Samba??
2024-06-05 17:32:44 <@pboy:fedora.im> cooltshirtguy: yes, bothj I guess.
2024-06-05 17:32:48 <@eseyman:fedora.im> well, the installation is part of it
2024-06-05 17:33:38 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I would advocate sharing media/data
2024-06-05 17:34:28 <@eseyman:fedora.im> my NFS servers exports TV Shows, Movies, Music and Audiobooks so that I can get at them from whatever PC I'm on
2024-06-05 17:35:11 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Not sure if anyone has NFS-mounted homedirs but that sounds like something I'ld like to read about
2024-06-05 17:35:14 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> I share cifs/NFs from my Synology but could do it from another computer
2024-06-05 17:35:44 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> use automount for that. we did it at my last job
2024-06-05 17:36:45 <@pboy:fedora.im> @eseyman good idea sharing media. That could also be part of out homelab server / ARM SBC goal and story, that we couldn't finisch for f39/40.
2024-06-05 17:38:01 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> that's an interesting idea. setup NFS server then setup automount for home dirs. it wold take some time to figure it out
2024-06-05 17:38:11 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I export movies and tv shows so that my Vim3L (hooked up to the TV) can read them
2024-06-05 17:40:41 <@pboy:fedora.im> Oh yeah, the Vim  :-)
2024-06-05 17:41:34 <@pboy:fedora.im> My misfortune in the last few days.
2024-06-05 17:41:42 <@eseyman:fedora.im> On the ansible side, I should note that I've started using somebody else's code
2024-06-05 17:43:04 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah, I think, that's OK in OSS. And of course we honor in other's  work.
2024-06-05 17:43:15 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Robert de Bock has written 200+ roles in Ansible that support Fedora and I've started using these instead of rolling my own
2024-06-05 17:43:26 <@eseyman:fedora.im> https://robertdebock.nl/ansible.html
2024-06-05 17:43:41 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> i didnt know that. now I'm going digging
2024-06-05 17:44:01 <@eseyman:fedora.im> and I'll provides patches and bug reports when I find something that doesn't work on Fedora
2024-06-05 17:45:54 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, I propose I draft an issue for that, specifying the goals and the current status how we want to achieve that. Then we can start to finetune it and hopefully add results soon  :-) 
2024-06-05 17:46:43 <@pboy:fedora.im> Any objections?
2024-06-05 17:46:55 <@eseyman:fedora.im> sounds good to me
2024-06-05 17:46:59 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> nope
2024-06-05 17:47:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> !agreed pboy will write a draft issue for the goal "file server" as a base for further finetuning and detailed specification.
2024-06-05 17:48:08 <@pboy:fedora.im> !action pboy will write a draft issue for the goal "file server" as a base for further finetuning and detailed specification.
2024-06-05 17:48:45 <@pboy:fedora.im> Goals are 1. to support specific VMs for the VPS of different providers, and 2. to get Fedora Server as one of the standard offerings on rented hardware (e.g. Hetzner). 
2024-06-05 17:48:45 <@pboy:fedora.im> Shortly about the other proposal. Regarding Item a. (VPS), my proposal is not focused on a specific release, but on a long-term task. 
2024-06-05 17:49:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> and ofcourse others, e.g. OVS (UK)
2024-06-05 17:50:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> OVS -> OVH
2024-06-05 17:52:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> The latter is basically testing and writing documentation, and nagging the provider  :-)
2024-06-05 17:52:48 <@pboy:fedora.im> well, providers!
2024-06-05 17:53:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> Any comments?
2024-06-05 17:54:26 <@eseyman:fedora.im> I would OVH to support Fedora. Count me in on the nagging part
2024-06-05 17:55:06 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> OVH?
2024-06-05 17:55:18 <@pboy:fedora.im> Of course! very much!
2024-06-05 17:56:25 <@pboy:fedora.im> OVH is a UK based company which lends root server
2024-06-05 17:56:58 <@pboy:fedora.im> The same as Hetzner in Germany wich is operating international, spec. in US, too
2024-06-05 17:57:11 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> ahh ok. 
2024-06-05 17:57:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK, so
2024-06-05 17:57:42 <@pboy:fedora.im> !agreed  WG's goal is to improve the use of Fedora Server in a VPS infrastructure and to promote it as a standard offering. 
2024-06-05 17:57:43 <@eseyman:fedora.im> OVH is the largest hosting provider in Europe
2024-06-05 17:58:08 <@pboy:fedora.im> Oh, OK. I thought Hetzner would be the largest.
2024-06-05 17:58:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> Anyway, we need them all.
2024-06-05 17:58:51 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> didn't know that about OVH. 
2024-06-05 17:58:52 <@eseyman:fedora.im> agreed
2024-06-05 17:59:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> Thanks.
2024-06-05 17:59:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> Our time is up.
2024-06-05 17:59:53 <@pboy:fedora.im> It was a good meeting! Despite our small numbers. 
2024-06-05 18:00:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> small number of members, I mean.
2024-06-05 18:00:27 <@eseyman:fedora.im> are we still on for a meeting in a week
2024-06-05 18:00:29 <@eseyman:fedora.im> ?
2024-06-05 18:00:40 <@pboy:fedora.im> I would suggest!!!!
2024-06-05 18:01:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> Please, write a mail as proposed.  So we can make it fix.
2024-06-05 18:01:23 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> I'm on vacation next week. life has been busy lately
2024-06-05 18:01:36 <@eseyman:fedora.im> Will do
2024-06-05 18:01:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> What I pitty. cooltshirtguy are you OK, if we meet anyway?
2024-06-05 18:02:08 <@cooltshirtguy:fedora.im> that's fine
2024-06-05 18:02:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> OK. So I think, we close now.
2024-06-05 18:02:42 <@pboy:fedora.im> Many thanks und bye bye.
2024-06-05 18:03:04 <@pboy:fedora.im> !endmeeting