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15:05:51 <rroos> Wikipedia link for Montessori: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_method
15:11:46 <mjadud> Could you provide some examples of what kinds of organizations would help distribute/make resources available?
15:12:19 <mjadud> How will this be like the wikipedia, perhaps?
15:13:59 <mjadud> Actual followup: included question about whether private orgs would "mash up" things as well
15:14:08 <mjadud> (for purpose of log)
15:15:27 <mjadud> probaby can move on to next question after this if we want to. any other follow-ups?
15:16:41 <mjadud> I think he means something like the way Amazon reviews work.
15:18:40 <mjadud> It is a fairly leading question.
15:20:02 <buddhavarapus> i think we could reassure him that he doesn't have to have a right answer, just how is the federal government planning on dealing with it
15:20:22 <buddhavarapus> at higher more managerial
15:20:31 <buddhavarapus> position
15:22:26 <mjadud> We can probably wrap this question when this is done, unless  there are more followups.
15:23:25 <slaughterp> How do students contribute to these changes?
15:23:40 <mjadud> You mean, how do they help w/ the political challenges?
15:24:10 <slaughterp> There are changes in the school system that the government can make, but what should students do in the classroom?
15:24:15 <mjadud> Hm.
15:24:27 <mjadud> It might be a bit far afield from where we started? Ah. Here he goes.
15:24:32 <mjadud> He's answering your question, I think.
15:25:01 <buddhavarapus> and the parts of the question
15:25:31 <mjadud> 1 for Paige, 0 for Matt!
15:25:36 <buddhavarapus> he isn't answering are probably choices
15:25:41 <buddhavarapus> individuals have to make
15:25:46 <buddhavarapus> and the government
15:25:50 <buddhavarapus> can't answer for you
15:26:01 <buddhavarapus> or legally isn't allowed to tell you to do
15:27:56 <gomesd> just commenting but souldnt question 5 follow up on question 3?
15:28:05 <mjadud> probably.
15:28:05 <buddhavarapus> i agree
15:28:16 <gomesd> theyre along the same line
15:28:19 <mjadud> my concern is that they might be the same...
15:28:23 <labarres> should we switch the order of 4 and 5 then?
15:28:30 <gomesd> yeah
15:29:08 <ernstm> i feel like question 5 is almost just a follow up to question 3
15:29:10 <arorap> i think we should scrap 5
15:29:16 <buddhavarapus> well it seems so, i think the way we could change
15:29:16 <buddhavarapus> 5
15:29:25 <arorap> hes basically answering the question now
15:29:27 <mjadud> might be. lets focus on helping paige with followups; i agree with arorap
15:29:34 <buddhavarapus> is to ask whether they have thought of
15:30:04 <buddhavarapus> incentivizing a private industry approach to digital advancement for schools
15:30:24 <buddhavarapus> ie students working with local businesses
15:31:04 <buddhavarapus> well
15:31:08 <buddhavarapus> can we convince
15:33:21 <millera4> if anyone came up with a personal experience relating to this, maybe we should add it to the conversation?
15:33:42 <millera4> not this specifically, but in general
15:34:22 <mjadud> question from steve: eg. ask (say IBM) to get more involved in supporting school districts... but they already sell at steep discounts...
15:34:48 <mjadud> ... but need to be clear about how they can realize value separate from their current approach (eg. discounts)
15:34:56 <mjadud> ... it isn't as simple as saying "give free comps to 1000 kids"
15:35:04 <mjadud> Can move on, or follow up.
15:35:19 <ernstm> what about the businesses that take on students as interns or even employ students? it would require much less training when they get those students if they already had the technology training
15:35:33 <buddhavarapus> thats what i think is valuable
15:35:36 <buddhavarapus> and was hoping
15:35:39 <buddhavarapus> he would touch on
15:36:53 <ernstm> i think that would be the way to entice local businesses to help with providing the technology to schools
15:37:00 <mjadud> book: literacy with an attitude
15:37:19 <mjadud> #link http://www.amazon.com/Literacy-Attitude-Patrick-J-Finn/dp/0791442861
15:37:36 <mjadud> #info Patrick J. Finn is Associate Professor in the Department of Learning and Instruction at State University of New York at Buffalo. His previous books include Helping Children Learn to Read, Helping Children Learn to Read, Second Edition, and Helping Children Learn Language Arts.
15:39:28 <slaughterp> Do you think this digital environment conflict with your ideas about creating a personalized learning environment?
15:39:38 <hogandm> Instead of the original #5 we could ask: If this becomes a critical Dept. of Ed.. initiative, are we going to move forward on providing equal access to all students in all American schools?
15:40:28 <arorap> well thats more or less the same- students without the necessary means
15:40:33 <buddhavarapus> it is good for students to learn specialized subjects, but seeing as we're from liberal arts college, i think it is our responsibility to ask how Steve plans to change education to allow people to learn critical thinking skills related to more fundamental things like writing a proper bank statement, or turning ideas in your head to value-adding products or services
15:40:57 <arorap> but that could elicit a solid response for such
15:41:19 <buddhavarapus> what do you mean?
15:42:10 <mjadud> so, do we run with hogandm's last question, or do we wrap up?
15:42:32 <mjadud> thoughts?
15:42:38 <buddhavarapus> i'll start the voting
15:42:39 <buddhavarapus> process
15:42:41 <buddhavarapus> wrap upp
15:42:43 <langv> run with question
15:42:49 <gomesd> run
15:42:51 <nielsona> run
15:44:00 <buddhavarapus> the world is against me....sigh
15:44:01 <mjadud> good point on steve's point
15:44:22 <mjadud> re: keeping in mind what equal access really means
15:47:06 <mjadud> ah. his point is that having the data/info available helps make things cheaper, because publishers must compete with the new Fed resources
15:47:09 <mjadud> i think
15:48:35 <buddhavarapus> but the Fed isn't entering the market
15:48:40 <buddhavarapus> they're putting info out
15:48:45 <buddhavarapus> they actually
15:48:50 <buddhavarapus> give businessees
15:48:52 <buddhavarapus> free IP
15:48:54 <buddhavarapus> to use
15:48:55 <ernstm> he said that inner city schools receive equal or greater funding. where does that money go then??
15:49:18 <mjadud> he's making a reasonable point, though
15:49:28 <mjadud> once it is individual, kids can learn the way they need to
15:51:55 <buddhavarapus> well inner city schools have security issues, and building maintenance costs
15:51:59 <buddhavarapus> that rich schools
15:52:01 <buddhavarapus> dont
15:52:07 <buddhavarapus> or rich-area schools
15:52:12 <mjadud> given time, we'll probably have  to wrap
15:52:15 <buddhavarapus> dont so maybe thats where it goes?
15:53:14 <ernstm> good point, and also they probably have poorer buildings so building maintenance costs may be higher
16:04:57 <alden101> #endmeeting