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16:58:34 <gregdek> We'll get started in a few.
16:58:54 <gregdek> #topic agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues
17:00:53 <chouseknecht> here
17:08:07 <gregdek> OK!
17:08:22 <gregdek> rbergeron is at a conference and will be joining shortly.
17:08:36 <gregdek> So imma just jump in:
17:09:21 <gregdek> And I'm actually going to sort by oldest, because I'd like to close some of these if we can.
17:09:36 <gregdek> https://github.com/ansible/community/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-asc
17:09:53 <gregdek> #topic https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/193
17:10:33 <gregdek> I basically sent out the update for London as part of the SF invite, so I'm closing this one.
17:11:50 <gregdek> (Hm, wish zodbot could pull issue title there)
17:11:52 <gregdek> Next:
17:12:29 <gregdek> Extend yaml2ical to add one-off events and merged calendars #196
17:12:33 <gregdek> Oops
17:12:35 <gregdek> #topic Extend yaml2ical to add one-off events and merged calendars #196
17:12:52 <gregdek> dag: you assigned this one to yourself, but I see a related commit.
17:12:55 <gregdek> Around to comment?
17:13:02 <gregdek> https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/196
17:14:12 <gregdek> Or maybe that commit was just to tee that up.
17:14:24 <gregdek> Anyway, I'll move on, dag I'll leave it open for you.
17:14:56 <gregdek> Next:
17:15:04 <gregdek> #topic https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/98
17:16:16 <gregdek> This has been open for a year, and feels suspiciously like a WONTFIX at this point, since no one on the core team cares to comment, and it's been a year -- so I'm closing to that effect. I mean, it certainly isn't pretty, but it's functional, and people know how it works.
17:16:40 <gregdek> Well...
17:17:08 <gregdek> ...ok, so I'm going to ping thaumos to see if he has any thoughts, since this really is kinda "product manager-y".
17:18:51 <gregdek> OK, moving on:
17:20:36 <gregdek> #topic Many duplicate new module submissions #60
17:20:43 <gregdek> https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/60
17:22:15 <gregdek> That's a docs issue, really, and now that we've cleaned up the docs a bit, it should be easier to tackle. Taking that one on myself.
17:22:24 <gregdek> Next:
17:23:35 <rbergeron> HI
17:23:42 <gregdek> Hi!
17:23:53 <chouseknecht> Hi!
17:24:04 * rbergeron finally escaped and escaped the humans who wanted to say hi and found some internet and a chair
17:24:12 <gregdek> #topic Need a good way to advertise CFPs to the wider community #89
17:24:21 <gregdek> Just in time!
17:24:28 <gregdek> https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/89
17:24:45 <gregdek> Though I'm pretty sure this is just "flag this with ambassadors and/or news tags".
17:25:12 <gregdek> Really, this is the endless "how do I know about CFPs" question.
17:25:26 <rbergeron> yeah.
17:25:31 <gregdek> I kinda wonder if we should leverage other work that the broader Red Hat community teams do here.
17:25:48 <rbergeron> there is a cfp list internally. and a bunch externally.
17:25:49 <gregdek> I don't know how good their processes are, and I know There Be Dragons to some extent there.
17:25:56 <rbergeron> there are lots of places to suck things from.
17:26:17 * dag appears
17:26:17 <gregdek> Should we suck things from those places, or could we just tag and link somehow?
17:26:18 <rbergeron> i think part of this is also the "when people very specifically want to find an ansible thing for their event"
17:26:25 <gregdek> Hey dag!
17:26:27 <rbergeron> ansible talk
17:26:38 <rbergeron> rather
17:26:57 <gregdek> dag, I pinged thaumos about arranging the releases directory, and he favors your approach, he will discuss with team.
17:27:05 <rbergeron> not sure. i mean -- i think there's a balance of "more resources about places to talk, but here's the highlights of some cool things you could give a talk at"
17:27:24 <jtanner> What is a cfp
17:27:30 <gregdek> So I could see this being a bunch of work for no effect, and I would like to change it into a little bit of work for a large effect, LOL
17:27:30 <rbergeron> call for presentations.
17:27:35 <jtanner> K
17:28:22 <dag> gregdek: cool, thanks !
17:28:25 <gregdek> I guess my question is, "what do we want here?" Do we just want to advertise a single place to say "hey, know a conference where you want an Ansible talk? Send it to us using this handy dandy widget/whatever"?
17:28:27 <rbergeron> well -- i think if nothing else it can fit into either a static page that we update as we see fit
17:28:39 <gregdek> Smells like a WIKI PAGE!
17:28:41 <rbergeron> or as lines in a newsletter
17:28:45 <rbergeron> or who knows. but. yeah.
17:28:52 <rbergeron> and yeah, wiki page.
17:29:02 <jtanner> Classified ads
17:29:25 <gregdek> I think I can get a few thousand dollars to advertise in print media.
17:29:36 <gregdek> Seriously, though, maybe it's as simple as:
17:30:13 <gregdek> Well, no.
17:30:14 <gregdek> Hm.
17:30:34 <rbergeron> lol
17:30:42 <gregdek> OK, I'm probably thinking about this too much.
17:30:47 <gregdek> But there's two things here:
17:30:52 <rbergeron> LOL
17:31:05 <gregdek> 1. Finding out about events that people should submit talks to;
17:31:18 <gregdek> 2. Telling people about events that people will be speaking at.
17:31:22 <gregdek> Is this 1, or 2, or both?
17:31:46 <rbergeron> the CFP thing is 1.
17:32:01 <chouseknecht> yeah, #1 would be really helpful
17:32:05 <rbergeron> The second thing is also a potential thing but not related to this ticket :)
17:32:09 <rbergeron> imo
17:33:22 <gregdek> OK.
17:33:33 <gregdek> Then we can do something simple.
17:33:42 <rbergeron> yup.
17:34:05 <gregdek> Like a weekly tweet: "got any conferences upcoming that you'd like to see an @Ansible talk at? Let us know by doing x!"
17:34:22 <gregdek> And then have some very simple thing for x: send an email, edit a wiki page, whatever.
17:34:27 <rbergeron> yup.
17:34:32 <gregdek> Which should it be?
17:34:50 <rbergeron> i am full of yup.
17:34:53 <gregdek> If we can figure out the value for x, we can have this done pretty much asap.
17:35:20 <chouseknecht> umm... "replying"
17:35:21 <rbergeron> ummmm -- i think edit a wiki page is a good start. if that's too high a bar or whateer for folks -- then i dunno.
17:35:29 <gregdek> You know what? We need the "ansible-community" catch all email address at red hat.
17:35:46 <chouseknecht> i would just tweet back
17:35:46 <gregdek> Oh, chouseknecht, you have all the good obvious answers.
17:35:51 <rbergeron> then email. i just worry that that kind of thing turns into mega spam from every conference organizer on earth
17:36:14 <rbergeron> like, conferences totally unrelated :)
17:36:21 <gregdek> Yeah, it may well.
17:36:36 <gregdek> OK, so:
17:36:57 <gregdek> * sub-wiki page under the ambassadors namespace that is "conferences with cfps".
17:37:15 <gregdek> * weekly tweet pointing people to it.
17:37:42 <gregdek> * maybe we send out something to news based on that list.
17:37:47 <gregdek> Simplest possible solution?
17:37:53 <gregdek> That might actually be useful?
17:38:18 <rbergeron> yes
17:38:24 <rbergeron> yes yes.
17:38:45 <chouseknecht> does wiki let you create a form for people to complete?
17:39:17 <gregdek> I don't think so.
17:39:32 <gregdek> We could ask people to file a ticket... lol ugh
17:39:52 <chouseknecht> i was thinking like a Google docs form. But, that might be too much.
17:40:07 <gregdek> Maybe that's ok, actually.
17:40:15 <gregdek> I mean, we do want a dead simple form.
17:40:30 <gregdek> "What's the event? What's the URL? When's the deadline? Any other notes?"
17:40:47 <rbergeron> yup.
17:40:52 <gregdek> yup!
17:40:58 <gregdek> ok.
17:41:11 <chouseknecht> yup
17:41:20 <gregdek> so still a wiki page, but for the masses we just send them to the form, and we add the stuff, and we tweet it every week.
17:41:23 <rbergeron> and if we have that form go into a database / spreadsheet / whatever we can reconvert that data into whatever format we want elsewhere.
17:41:34 <gregdek> Yup!
17:41:42 <chouseknecht> w00t!
17:42:35 <gregdek> I'll take it for now, since I'm gluing a bunch of these bits together anyway in standing up the ambassadors wg.
17:42:41 * gregdek goes to edit ticket
17:44:00 <gregdek> OK, moving on:
17:44:26 <gregdek> #topic documentation working group #30
17:44:33 <gregdek> https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/30
17:44:39 <gregdek> I think this one is just a no.
17:45:08 <rbergeron> then close it up, yo! :)
17:45:17 <chouseknecht> yup
17:45:20 <gregdek> I think docs need to be part of the various working groups, and neither docschick nor dharmabumstead show any interest.
17:45:30 <gregdek> And since there are no objections, closing.
17:45:37 * chouseknecht just likes saying yup
17:45:52 <rbergeron> okay, i'm relocating because my spot is suddenly invaded by 10 billion humans
17:45:55 <rbergeron> brb
17:46:58 <gregdek> #topic Public Metrics #38
17:47:15 <gregdek> This one's been around for quite a while.
17:47:23 <gregdek> Waiting for rbergeron to return and comment.
17:47:28 <gregdek> Public Metrics #38
17:47:30 <gregdek> GAH
17:47:35 <gregdek> https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/38
17:48:18 <gregdek> I may now believe this is a monthly news column by jtanner :)
17:48:27 <chouseknecht> +1
17:48:35 <gregdek> It would be interesting to actually talk about what things we measure and why.
17:48:48 <gregdek> Raw numbers are meaningless. Metrics exist solely for analysis.
17:51:10 <chouseknecht> you could even break the metrics down by topic, i.e. cloud modules, aws, docker, etc.
17:51:33 <Pilou> other number: number of "automerged" PR. number of shipit by roles (module maintainers, namespace maintainers, others)
17:52:34 <gregdek> Yeah.
17:52:58 <gregdek> And all of these metrics are really asking the question: how are we doing at managing all of the requests to improve Ansible? That's kind of the overarching question.
17:53:44 <gregdek> jtanner are these the kinds of questions that we have the metrics to answer?
17:55:30 <gregdek> OK, updating the ticket with some ideas.
17:55:34 <gregdek> We will revisit.
17:55:44 <gregdek> Getting close to the end of the hour.
17:55:48 <gregdek> #topic Open Floor
17:55:57 <gregdek> Any particular topics anyone wanna cover while we're here?
17:57:05 <gundalow> Is meetup part of ambassador working group?
17:57:33 <gregdek> Yep, I think that's the plan.
17:57:40 <gundalow> Cool
17:57:50 <gregdek> That's what the majority of meetup folks seemed to favor, so.
17:58:53 <gundalow> Ah zone have been in contact, cool
17:59:22 <gundalow> Ah some have been in contact, cool
17:59:32 <gundalow> Nothing else from me
17:59:37 <gregdek> OK, gonna wrap then. Thanks all
17:59:40 <gregdek> #endmeeting