19:02:50 <bcoca> #startmeeting ansible core irc public meeting
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19:03:32 <bcoca> #topic https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/19583 the K/KB/Ki/KiB conspiracy
19:04:39 <cyberpear> pretty sure the policy here is "fix it in your collection"
19:04:57 <agaffney> heh, I feel that summary above in my bones
19:05:05 <sivel> oh, hey
19:05:11 <sivel> a meeting or something
19:05:14 <bcoca> its why its labeled 'waiting on contributor'
19:05:52 <bcoca> i would welcome  a parameter to the humant_to_bytes to flavor=original|IEC|SI|spicy
19:06:21 <sivel> heh, doesn't seem we intended for it to be on the agenda, just telling someone where they could add it to the agenda
19:06:31 <sivel> > If you would like to work on this the best way is to add this issue on Core Team IRC meeting's agenda at ansible/community#626 to discuss it further
19:07:05 <bcoca> jic
19:07:11 <bcoca> going to pass then and open floor
19:07:14 <bcoca> #topic open floor
19:11:10 <briantist> hi folks
19:11:20 * bcoca waves
19:13:21 <briantist> any update on the direction of plugin deprecation messages being shown? https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/73051
19:13:49 <briantist> I recall there being a few possible resolution PRs out there
19:15:32 <bcoca> in my queue, finishing some stuff this week and next, but should get to it after that
19:15:49 <briantist> cool
19:16:10 <bcoca> i mean, its visible in docs, just no runtime
19:16:16 <briantist> right
19:16:24 <bcoca> probably will need a toggle as everyone will then complain about seeing it at runtime ....
19:17:23 <briantist> eh.. last I remember there were very few (almost no?) plugins in the wild with labeled deprecations; and it'd be consistent with what they'd see from  modules and certain plugins (inventory I think?) already
19:18:18 <briantist> there was one other issue I wanted to poke you about, don't have the link in front of me, about templating of `vars:` options in plugins
19:18:44 <bcoca> also in my queue, not just vars but the options being templatable in general
19:18:52 <bcoca> which also enables !vaults
19:19:37 <briantist> templated vars work when used directly in the lookup call of course, I had only seen an issue when using `vars:` options
19:19:40 <bcoca> that one probably wont make 2.12 as it is invasive change and should be done at begining of cycle
19:19:48 <briantist> where else would the "templatable in general" apply?
19:19:59 <bcoca> inventory/callback/etc pluigins options
19:19:59 <sivel> https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/73268 <- that issue I assume
19:20:03 <bcoca> set in env var or config
19:20:40 <briantist> got it! -- ah, that's unfortunate about it not being in 2.12.. I suppose that dampens the possibility of a backport as well?
19:20:43 <bcoca> lookups , tests and filters get evaluated, but not becasue they options are, but any arguments in jinja2 do
19:20:59 <bcoca> it would be hard to call it a bugfix
19:21:06 <bcoca> but ... i can try ...
19:21:33 <sivel> and depending on how invasive, we usually don't backport regardless of calling it a bug.  Can be dangerous
19:21:36 <briantist> yeah that's the issue sivel , thanks
19:21:46 <briantist> right makes sense
19:22:11 <bcoca> and you see my ticket linked by me at last comment
19:22:39 <bcoca> the issue is that the lookup argument wont recursively template, while forcing templating of config options would do so
19:22:41 <briantist> yup I'm subscribed to that PR as well
19:23:21 <bcoca> its a tricky one, but i think i have it almost solved, just need time
19:23:51 <briantist> nice!
19:23:56 <briantist> well, that's all from me
19:24:14 <briantist> thanks :)
19:24:58 <bcoca> k, closing soon if no new topics
19:25:51 <bcoca> https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/75561 <= i should mention,  adding attributes info to all core modules before release
19:26:07 <bcoca> https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/75563 <= adding compat shim to older versions so collections can start using
19:26:40 <briantist> ah that came up in the docs meeting today
19:27:16 <tadeboro> bcoca: We talked about attributes in today's DAWGS meeting. Those links should probably reach Sam, felixfontein, Toshio, ...
19:27:37 <bcoca> they will, i passed on to architects which will talk to community and docs groups
19:31:05 <bcoca> #endmeeting