20:00:41 <nitzmahone> #startmeeting Ansible Windows Working Group 20:00:41 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jan 7 20:00:41 2020 UTC. 20:00:41 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 20:00:41 <zodbot> The chair is nitzmahone. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:41 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:41 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'ansible_windows_working_group' 20:00:51 * jhawkesworth lurking / mobile. Bedtime overrunning 20:03:05 <nitzmahone> #topic open floor 20:03:28 <nitzmahone> #info 2.9 service release next week 20:03:48 <jhawkesworth> Good to know 20:04:01 <jhawkesworth> Happy New year, BTW 20:04:04 <nitzmahone> Same! 20:04:21 * nitzmahone will wait for a couple minutes to see if anyone wants to discuss 20:04:43 <jborean93> howdy 20:04:50 * bcoca waves 20:04:54 <jhawkesworth> Heya 20:05:15 <nitzmahone> Actually do we want to mention the 2008 thoughts? 20:05:18 <bcoca> fyi, we have PR updating behaviour of no_log for python modules, not sure what windows impelentation does 20:05:52 <jborean93> bcoca: what's the change 20:05:56 <bcoca> https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/64733 20:05:59 <jborean93> nitmzahone: probably a good idea 20:06:25 <bcoca> basically allow no_log=false to override the warning on 'password/secret optoin detection that is missing no_log' 20:07:04 <nitzmahone> So I'll bring it up again next week, but we're thinking about deprecating official support for Server 2008/R2- not to actively break anything, but getting it out of CI and not including it in new feature development 20:07:04 <jborean93> hmm I will have to look to see if I implemented that part 20:07:19 <bcoca> why i brought up here ;-p 20:07:59 <bcoca> nitzmahone: what is M$ support cycle? 10yrs? 20:08:18 <nitzmahone> Keeping 2008/R2 running in CI will become increasingly difficult, since Azure will be the only "officially supported" place for it now that it's dead 20:08:18 <jborean93> technically ends on the 14th 20:08:18 <jborean93> but it stays on life support on Azure for 3 years 20:08:18 <nitzmahone> bcoca: it varies, and they change their minds all the time and extend things 20:08:44 <bcoca> he 20:09:10 <jhawkesworth> I was hoping to kill off our win 7 but some clients going for extended support so worth checking paying customer situation 20:09:54 <bcoca> desktop side is harder, people really dont want to upgrade 20:10:11 <nitzmahone> That one's never been officially supported anyway 20:10:11 <bcoca> server side at least you can count on IT depts wanting to have patches 20:10:14 <jborean93> bcoca: we do not do that in the Ansible.Basic.cs for no_log 20:10:52 <bcoca> jborean93: i imagined that much, the 'is this option a secret w/o no_log setting' heuristics is someting i would avoid if possible (and i wrote it ...) 20:11:26 <nitzmahone> I'm not clear how they're handling the patch situation, like if patches will only be available on Azure, but it kinda sounds like it 20:11:26 <bcoca> just wanted to make sure we kept 'current parity' 20:12:02 <nitzmahone> heh, yeah, the heuristic thing is both an endless game of whack-a-mole and potential for false positive 20:12:30 <jborean93> there is a small amount of that heuristics in the C# stuff but definitely not as much as Python 20:12:37 <jborean93> mostly was if someone wants to shoot themselves in the foot then so be it 20:12:46 <jhawkesworth> killed all our S2008. If s2003 is anything to go by, some critical patches went out long after support ended iirc 20:13:00 <bcoca> sadly i had to add due to CVE strom ... but this change lets people shoot themselves in foot .. knowingly 20:13:03 <bcoca> which im fine with 20:14:30 <nitzmahone> OK, if nothing else, we'll call it til next week... 20:14:44 <bcoca> +1 20:15:25 <nitzmahone> Thanks for being here, and happy new year! 20:15:28 <nitzmahone> #endmeeting