20:00:41 <nitzmahone> #startmeeting Ansible Windows Working Group
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20:03:05 <nitzmahone> #topic open floor
20:03:28 <nitzmahone> #info 2.9 service release next week
20:03:48 <jhawkesworth> Good to know
20:04:01 <jhawkesworth> Happy New year, BTW
20:04:04 <nitzmahone> Same!
20:04:21 * nitzmahone will wait for a couple minutes to see if anyone wants to discuss
20:04:43 <jborean93> howdy
20:04:50 * bcoca waves
20:04:54 <jhawkesworth> Heya
20:05:15 <nitzmahone> Actually do we want to mention the 2008 thoughts?
20:05:18 <bcoca> fyi, we have PR updating behaviour of no_log for python modules, not sure what windows impelentation does
20:05:52 <jborean93> bcoca: what's the change
20:05:56 <bcoca> https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/64733
20:05:59 <jborean93> nitmzahone: probably a good idea
20:06:25 <bcoca> basically allow no_log=false to override the warning on 'password/secret optoin detection that is missing no_log'
20:07:04 <nitzmahone> So I'll bring it up again next week, but we're thinking about deprecating official support for Server 2008/R2- not to actively break anything, but getting it out of CI and not including it in new feature development
20:07:04 <jborean93> hmm I will have to look to see if I implemented that part
20:07:19 <bcoca> why i brought up here ;-p
20:07:59 <bcoca> nitzmahone: what is M$ support cycle? 10yrs?
20:08:18 <nitzmahone> Keeping 2008/R2 running in CI will become increasingly difficult, since Azure will be the only "officially supported" place for it now that it's dead
20:08:18 <jborean93> technically ends on the 14th
20:08:18 <jborean93> but it stays on life support on Azure for 3 years
20:08:18 <nitzmahone> bcoca: it varies, and they change their minds all the time and extend things
20:08:44 <bcoca> he
20:09:10 <jhawkesworth> I was hoping to kill off our win 7 but some clients going for extended support so worth checking paying customer situation
20:09:54 <bcoca> desktop side is harder, people really dont want to upgrade
20:10:11 <nitzmahone> That one's never been officially supported anyway
20:10:11 <bcoca> server side at least you can count on IT depts wanting to have patches
20:10:14 <jborean93> bcoca: we do not do that in the Ansible.Basic.cs for no_log
20:10:52 <bcoca> jborean93: i imagined that much, the 'is this option a secret w/o no_log setting' heuristics is someting i would avoid if possible (and i wrote it ...)
20:11:26 <nitzmahone> I'm not clear how they're handling the patch situation, like if patches will only be available on Azure, but it kinda sounds like it
20:11:26 <bcoca> just wanted to make sure we kept 'current parity'
20:12:02 <nitzmahone> heh, yeah, the heuristic thing is both an endless game of whack-a-mole and potential for false positive
20:12:30 <jborean93> there is a small amount of that heuristics in the C# stuff but definitely not as much as Python
20:12:37 <jborean93> mostly was if someone wants to shoot themselves in the foot then so be it
20:12:46 <jhawkesworth> killed all our S2008. If s2003 is anything to go by, some critical patches went out long after support ended iirc
20:13:00 <bcoca> sadly i had to add due to CVE strom ... but this change lets people shoot themselves in foot .. knowingly
20:13:03 <bcoca> which im fine with
20:14:30 <nitzmahone> OK, if nothing else, we'll call it til next week...
20:14:44 <bcoca> +1
20:15:25 <nitzmahone> Thanks for being here, and happy new year!
20:15:28 <nitzmahone> #endmeeting