2025-03-03 17:00:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting F42-blocker-review
2025-03-03 17:00:57 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-03-03 17:00:56 UTC
2025-03-03 17:00:57 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'F42-blocker-review'
2025-03-03 17:00:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2025-03-03 17:01:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ahoyhoy folks, who's around for blocker review fun?
2025-03-03 17:01:48 <@smilner:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-03 17:01:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (smilner)
2025-03-03 17:01:57 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-03 17:01:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)
2025-03-03 17:02:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-03-03 17:02:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-03-03 17:02:15 <@derekenz:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-03 17:02:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Derek Enz (derekenz)
2025-03-03 17:02:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> steve's here, so all our cubical blockers are taken care of
2025-03-03 17:02:51 <@smilner:fedora.im> That's what I'm here for 💪
2025-03-03 17:03:05 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-03 17:03:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Christopher Boni (boniboyblue)
2025-03-03 17:03:19 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Hola
2025-03-03 17:03:46 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-03 17:03:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his
2025-03-03 17:03:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> how's everyone doing this fine blockerday
2025-03-03 17:04:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> being on pacific time is weird
2025-03-03 17:04:33 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Trying to teach a foster cat to stay off the keyboard
2025-03-03 17:04:52 <@smilner:fedora.im> I can't believe it's Monday™️
2025-03-03 17:06:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo west coast time best...coast...time
2025-03-03 17:06:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, let's get rolling with some exciting boilerplate
2025-03-03 17:07:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh hey, i guess we'll find out if multiline paste works in nheko
2025-03-03 17:07:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_42_Final_Release_Criteria
2025-03-03 17:07:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Why are we here?
2025-03-03 17:07:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs.
2025-03-03 17:07:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
2025-03-03 17:07:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info We'll be following the process outlined at:
2025-03-03 17:07:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The bugs up for review today are available at:
2025-03-03 17:07:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
2025-03-03 17:07:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
2025-03-03 17:07:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria
2025-03-03 17:07:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_42_Beta_Release_Criteria
2025-03-03 17:07:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Introduction
2025-03-03 17:07:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yay
2025-03-03 17:07:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info for Beta, we have:
2025-03-03 17:07:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 3 Accepted Blockers
2025-03-03 17:07:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 2 Proposed Blockers
2025-03-03 17:07:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 7 Accepted Freeze Exceptions
2025-03-03 17:07:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 2 Proposed Freeze Exceptions
2025-03-03 17:07:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info for Final, we have:
2025-03-03 17:07:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 1 Accepted Blockers
2025-03-03 17:07:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 2 Proposed Blockers
2025-03-03 17:07:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who wants to secretarialize?
2025-03-03 17:08:59 <@kparal:matrix.org> I can do it, if there are no other volunteers 🙂
2025-03-03 17:09:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well there won't be now!
2025-03-03 17:09:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info kparal will secretarialize
2025-03-03 17:09:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, let's get going with:
2025-03-03 17:09:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Beta blockers
2025-03-03 17:09:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, anaconda-webui, ASSIGNED
2025-03-03 17:09:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2348726) Anaconda cannot control GNOME Shell keyboard layout in Live Workstation
2025-03-03 17:09:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2348726
2025-03-03 17:09:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1770
2025-03-03 17:10:03 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Kamil Páral++
2025-03-03 17:10:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> lruzicka gave a cookie to kparal. They now have 79 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle
2025-03-03 17:10:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so AIUI, anaconda team has proposed this as a sort of procedural blocker because they already merged the fix for this, but it missed freeze, and they don't want to take it out again
2025-03-03 17:10:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i don't think it's a blocker, but i'm fine giving it an FE, fixing it for beta would be nice
2025-03-03 17:10:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and obviously can't be done with an update
2025-03-03 17:10:41 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Sure, +1 FE
2025-03-03 17:10:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FE
2025-03-03 17:11:02 <@derekenz:fedora.im> +1 FE
2025-03-03 17:11:04 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Yeah, it would be nice to have for Beta
2025-03-03 17:11:07 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> BetaFE +1
2025-03-03 17:11:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> formal votes on blocker status?
2025-03-03 17:11:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> -1 blocker for me
2025-03-03 17:11:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> +1 FE
2025-03-03 17:12:00 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> BetaBlocker -1
2025-03-03 17:12:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> do we not have a language selection criteria for beta?
2025-03-03 17:12:17 <@kparal:matrix.org> it feels wrong to block on this when we released like this in previous releases
2025-03-03 17:12:21 <@kparal:matrix.org> -1 blocker
2025-03-03 17:12:21 <@kparal:matrix.org> +1 FE
2025-03-03 17:13:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo the keyboard layout criteria are all final
2025-03-03 17:13:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ah okay
2025-03-03 17:13:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> technically we can release beta with nothing but us working for anyone
2025-03-03 17:13:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FinalBlocker
2025-03-03 17:13:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> -1 BetaBlocker
2025-03-03 17:13:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> technically we can release beta with nothing but US working for anyone
2025-03-03 17:14:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2348726 - RejectedBlocker (Beta) AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is rejected as a blocker as it doesn't violate any Beta criteria, but accepted as an FE as we feel fixing this would be a great improvement for Beta and obviously cannot be done with an update
2025-03-03 17:14:19 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> -1 BetaBlocker
2025-03-03 17:14:33 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2025-03-03 17:14:40 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2025-03-03 17:14:44 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2025-03-03 17:14:46 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ack
2025-03-03 17:14:48 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2025-03-03 17:14:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2348726 - RejectedBlocker (Beta) AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is rejected as a blocker as it doesn't violate any Beta criteria, but accepted as an FE as we feel fixing this would be a great improvement for Beta and obviously cannot be done with an update
2025-03-03 17:15:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2346007
2025-03-03 17:15:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1754
2025-03-03 17:15:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, kwin, ON_QA
2025-03-03 17:15:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaBlocker (+1,0,-3) (+ngompa, -nielsenb, -kparal, -geraldosimiao)
2025-03-03 17:15:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+5,0,-0) (+adamwill, +nielsenb, +derekenz, +ngompa, +lruzicka)
2025-03-03 17:15:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+5,0,-0) (+adamwill, +nielsenb, +derekenz, +ngompa, +lruzicka)
2025-03-03 17:15:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2346007) GCC with LTO miscompiles KWin and breaks using ICC profiles for color management
2025-03-03 17:15:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so, uh, i'm not sure where we are with this exactly
2025-03-03 17:15:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's accepted as an FE, we never formally rejected it as a blocker
2025-03-03 17:15:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's been worked around
2025-03-03 17:15:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so uhh, I guess fix'd?
2025-03-03 17:15:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if it's addressed for beta, can we close it? or drop the nominations?
2025-03-03 17:15:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> gcc 15 really doesn't like KDE huh? :D
2025-03-03 17:16:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> gcc 15 also didn't like glib much either
2025-03-03 17:16:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it was an equal opportunity destructive force :)
2025-03-03 17:16:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but yes, with plasma 6.3.2 it should be able to be closed
2025-03-03 17:17:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (budgie is apparently not in a happy place right now because of gcc 15)
2025-03-03 17:17:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> not sure how the other desktops are faring
2025-03-03 17:19:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info per Conan Kudo this is substantively addressed for Beta. it will either be closed, or the blocker nomination will be unset
2025-03-03 17:19:42 <@farribeiro:matrix.org> !hi
2025-03-03 17:19:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fábio Ribeiro (farribeiro) - he / him / his
2025-03-03 17:19:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi!
2025-03-03 17:19:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, let's move on to:
2025-03-03 17:20:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Beta freeze exceptions
2025-03-03 17:20:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2348463) Update Fedora 42 to Plasma 6.3.2
2025-03-03 17:20:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, kwin, ON_QA
2025-03-03 17:20:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2348463
2025-03-03 17:20:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1769
2025-03-03 17:20:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+4,0,-0) (+geraldosimiao, +ngompa, +nielsenb, +derekenz)
2025-03-03 17:20:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so this has +4 now, but i figured i'd leave it on the agenda just in case anyone had an issue as it's a big change
2025-03-03 17:20:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and we're fairly close to go/no-go now
2025-03-03 17:20:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this release contains all the currently known workarounds for gcc 15
2025-03-03 17:21:14 <@kparal:matrix.org> OT: does anyone know how to get a meetbot link for an in-progress meeting (this one), so that I can secretarialize immediately and not wait for this meeting to end?
2025-03-03 17:21:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't think that's a thing?
2025-03-03 17:21:43 <@kparal:matrix.org> it used to be, but now even meetbot-raw doesn't contain in-progress logs
2025-03-03 17:21:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> huh TIL
2025-03-03 17:22:02 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I am not sure. I did not vote during today because I was a little concerned about such a big change so close to the release.
2025-03-03 17:22:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Kamil Páral yeah, I haven't found a way either :/ it may be just a matrix vs. irc meetbot difference
2025-03-03 17:23:02 <@matthiasc:gnome.org> Conan Kudo: what was the glib issue?
2025-03-03 17:23:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's been in u-t for four days with no negative karma, which is nice
2025-03-03 17:23:19 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> We need it to fix the ICC issue, don't we?
2025-03-03 17:23:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and this is the update with the fix/workaround for the ICC issue, yeah
2025-03-03 17:23:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> apparently there were some semi-random crashes affecting budgie rooted in glib
2025-03-03 17:23:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so i guess the resolution for that is only valid if we push this
2025-03-03 17:23:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't know the full details, you'd have to ask josh strobl in #budgie:fedoraproject.org 
2025-03-03 17:26:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> on the whole i'm in favor of taking this, given the four days of testing, i think
2025-03-03 17:26:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so +1 FE
2025-03-03 17:26:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FE
2025-03-03 17:26:25 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> BetaFE +1
2025-03-03 17:26:42 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> BetaFE +1
2025-03-03 17:26:45 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> BetaFE +1
2025-03-03 17:27:09 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> BetaFE +1
2025-03-03 17:28:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2348463 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it's a bugfix release that includes some desirable fixes, and it's had four days of testing so far with positive feedback and no issues noted
2025-03-03 17:28:54 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2025-03-03 17:28:57 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2025-03-03 17:29:04 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2025-03-03 17:29:58 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2025-03-03 17:30:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2348463 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it's a bugfix release that includes some desirable fixes, and it's had four days of testing so far with positive feedback and no issues noted
2025-03-03 17:30:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+nielsenb)
2025-03-03 17:30:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2348737) Switch pypy3 default from 3.10 to 3.11
2025-03-03 17:30:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2348737
2025-03-03 17:30:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, pypy3.11, ON_QA
2025-03-03 17:30:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1771
2025-03-03 17:31:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> eh, seems fine
2025-03-03 17:31:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if this is how miro wants classroom to be, i'm ok with it. don't see how it'll break anything else
2025-03-03 17:31:34 <@kparal:matrix.org> +1 FE
2025-03-03 17:31:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (i fully expect this log to appear in the incident review, once they're done finding all the tiny pieces)
2025-03-03 17:31:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FE
2025-03-03 17:32:02 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> BetaFE +1
2025-03-03 17:32:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> +1 FE
2025-03-03 17:32:03 <@derekenz:fedora.im> +1 FE
2025-03-03 17:32:18 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> +1 FE
2025-03-03 17:32:25 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> BetaFE +1
2025-03-03 17:32:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2348737 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as a desired configuration change to a deliverable (so can't be done with an update) which looks like it can't break anything else
2025-03-03 17:32:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2025-03-03 17:33:01 <@farribeiro:matrix.org> Ack
2025-03-03 17:33:01 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2025-03-03 17:33:03 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2025-03-03 17:33:03 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2025-03-03 17:33:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2348737 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as a desired configuration change to a deliverable (so can't be done with an update) which looks like it can't break anything else
2025-03-03 17:33:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alright, looks like that's all the proposals
2025-03-03 17:34:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> for beta
2025-03-03 17:34:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so let's go to:
2025-03-03 17:34:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Final blockers
2025-03-03 17:34:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, anaconda-webui, POST, depends on other bugs 
2025-03-03 17:34:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2282112) Clicking on "Anaconda project page" link in about window results in unclosable window opened over the installer
2025-03-03 17:34:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2282112
2025-03-03 17:34:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+1,0,-1) (+asciiwolf, -nielsenb)
2025-03-03 17:34:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1660
2025-03-03 17:35:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the fix for this was merged in november
2025-03-03 17:35:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so it may well be fixed
2025-03-03 17:36:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> although, seems like it still wasn't perfect after that...let me see if i can find any followup
2025-03-03 17:37:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> propose we punt this to re-test and update for current status?
2025-03-03 17:38:45 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I would be okay with a punt, I keep forgetting to try it
2025-03-03 17:38:54 <@derekenz:fedora.im> punt
2025-03-03 17:39:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2282112 - punt (delay decision) - this behaviour has likely changed since the bug was reported, so we'll update the bug with current status then re-consider it
2025-03-03 17:39:49 <@kparal:matrix.org> it's fixed now. It's just a bit scary when the installer asks you whether you want to stay on this page or leave this page.
2025-03-03 17:39:55 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2025-03-03 17:40:00 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2025-03-03 17:40:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2025-03-03 17:40:02 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2025-03-03 17:40:21 <@kparal:matrix.org> but not a blocker either way, at least for me
2025-03-03 17:40:23 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Can you go back easy enough?
2025-03-03 17:40:44 <@kparal:matrix.org> yes, a new firefox window is opened, you can close it as normal
2025-03-03 17:40:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, given kparal's report, i'm -1 blocker
2025-03-03 17:41:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> can you add a quick comment on the bug, kamil?
2025-03-03 17:41:11 <@kparal:matrix.org> sure
2025-03-03 17:42:18 <@derekenz:fedora.im> Scary?
2025-03-03 17:42:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> other votes?
2025-03-03 17:42:34 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> If we're relitigating it right now...
2025-03-03 17:42:38 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalBlocker -1
2025-03-03 17:43:09 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I can see how an installer asking you if you want to leave is a little disconcerting
2025-03-03 17:43:19 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Especially since the installer isn't obviously a browser
2025-03-03 17:43:33 <@kparal:matrix.org> https://i.imgur.com/hyIsGMf.png
2025-03-03 17:44:02 <@kparal:matrix.org> (btw I just closed the bug as fixed)
2025-03-03 17:44:13 <@derekenz:fedora.im> hmmm that is strange lol
2025-03-03 17:44:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oof
2025-03-03 17:44:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i think i'm ok with it for this kinda out-of-the-way thing
2025-03-03 17:44:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it'd be best if it didn't happen of course
2025-03-03 17:47:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info the bug has been closed as FIXED for now, if anyone thinks the remaining state constitutes a blocker, please file a new bug and propose it
2025-03-03 17:47:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, gnome-keyring, POST
2025-03-03 17:47:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2349314
2025-03-03 17:47:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+2,0,-0) (+nielsenb, +boniboyblue)
2025-03-03 17:47:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1774
2025-03-03 17:47:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2349314) Keyring fails to unlock on startup
2025-03-03 17:47:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so this is some kinda race condition. it's annoying and inconvenient when it happens
2025-03-03 17:47:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> there is a proposed fix upstream that does fix the issue for me (openqa often hits this), but it hasn't been merged yet, not sure why not
2025-03-03 17:48:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen so one thing I never tested with this: when you get the prompt, does it *work*?
2025-03-03 17:48:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if you type in your password, does the keyring unlock and work as normal?
2025-03-03 17:49:01 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I have been unable to find anything the prompt will accept
2025-03-03 17:49:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ooo. that definitely makes it worse
2025-03-03 17:49:21 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> this would annoy the hell out of me too, so FinalBlocker +1  from my POV :D
2025-03-03 17:49:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah that's pretty bad
2025-03-03 17:49:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'd FinalBlocker +1 that
2025-03-03 17:49:50 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Esepcially since I don't know how you ever fix it? I haven't found a workaround.
2025-03-03 17:50:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm not sure you can fix it in that situation
2025-03-03 17:50:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, on that basis i'd be +1
2025-03-03 17:50:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> not being able to unlock the keyring is seriously a problem since network creds and other things are stored there by default
2025-03-03 17:50:26 <@derekenz:fedora.im> FinalBlocker +1
2025-03-03 17:50:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen after the meeting i'll do a scratch build with the upstream patch and you can see if it works for you
2025-03-03 17:50:57 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> If you look at the log, there's a message about unable to set locker password or something
2025-03-03 17:51:14 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I assume that means it's a forever borked lockring
2025-03-03 17:51:18 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> er, keyring
2025-03-03 17:52:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=129152704 is the scratch build i did to test it, but not sure if that's usable for you now
2025-03-03 17:52:51 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Presumably I would need that installed before initial setup?
2025-03-03 17:53:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if it's in a side-tag, it's possible to make an off-the-cuff image to test with
2025-03-03 17:53:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> since side tags are yum repos, kiwi can be told to add it via command line
2025-03-03 17:54:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen oh, if the thing you're testing is during i-s, yeah
2025-03-03 17:54:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> or createrepo in a fedorapeople place or something
2025-03-03 17:54:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'd just install it with chroot after your initial install is done
2025-03-03 17:55:01 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I think the keyring gets created during initial setup
2025-03-03 17:55:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if you leave the installer open, the installed system is at /mnt/sysimage
2025-03-03 17:55:08 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I suppose I could install that, then try creating a new user
2025-03-03 17:55:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well yeah, if the bug is sort of 'inside' the keyring and not in the unlocking process at boot\
2025-03-03 17:55:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that, too
2025-03-03 17:56:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well yeah, if the bug is sort of 'inside' the keyring and not in the unlocking process at boot
2025-03-03 17:56:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if the bug comes from g-i-s user setup
2025-03-03 17:56:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it needs to be before a user is created
2025-03-03 17:56:53 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Post that build in one of the bug reports, I'll try to get it tested soon-ish
2025-03-03 17:57:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> to me, the fix looks like it's runtime
2025-03-03 17:57:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-keyring/-/merge_requests/78/diffs
2025-03-03 17:57:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so you might just be able to install the update, reboot and try it again
2025-03-03 17:57:51 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I can try all the things if I can just find some time
2025-03-03 17:58:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hehe, ok
2025-03-03 17:58:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> will do
2025-03-03 17:59:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2349314 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a conditional violation of Final criterion "Saving passwords to and retrieving passwords from the default keyring must work for all release-blocking desktops", since if you run into this bug, there appears to be no way to make that work in practice.
2025-03-03 17:59:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2025-03-03 18:00:02 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2025-03-03 18:00:32 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ack
2025-03-03 18:00:45 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2025-03-03 18:01:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2349314 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a conditional violation of Final criterion "Saving passwords to and retrieving passwords from the default keyring must work for all release-blocking desktops", since if you run into this bug, there appears to be no way to make that work in practice.
2025-03-03 18:01:32 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2025-03-03 18:02:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2025-03-03 18:02:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lolwut
2025-03-03 18:02:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> wrong room
2025-03-03 18:02:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> heh
2025-03-03 18:02:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, let's move on to:
2025-03-03 18:02:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Accepted Beta blockers
2025-03-03 18:03:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> as a reminder, this is where we check in on progress, we're not usually voting on these (unless we decide circumstances warrant it)
2025-03-03 18:03:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2346436
2025-03-03 18:03:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, anaconda, POST
2025-03-03 18:03:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1758
2025-03-03 18:03:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2346436) "EFI System Partition" does not show in available filesystems for custom installs since blivet 3.12.0
2025-03-03 18:03:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info this should be fixed in the anaconda build that should happen now we voted on the other proposal
2025-03-03 18:04:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2342065
2025-03-03 18:04:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1747
2025-03-03 18:04:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, gcc, ON_QA
2025-03-03 18:04:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2342065) Broken support for C++ coroutines in GCC 15 breaks qcoro, which breaks Plasma Discover
2025-03-03 18:04:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info this is addressed by the 6.3.2 megaupdate, which will get pushed now we approved the FE for it
2025-03-03 18:04:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, those were the easy ones...
2025-03-03 18:04:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2344434
2025-03-03 18:04:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2344434) Cannot install to a software RAID device created in the storage editor as it's impossible to assign the root mount point successfully
2025-03-03 18:04:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1751
2025-03-03 18:04:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, anaconda-webui, ASSIGNED
2025-03-03 18:05:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so...i think we may not have a fix for this yet, but katerina is off today so i don't have a definite status update
2025-03-03 18:05:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> per the bug discussion, it's possible i was holding RAID wrong
2025-03-03 18:05:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so...we may want to revisit this at some point
2025-03-03 18:05:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> might be nice if other folks can try doing sw RAID with webui
2025-03-03 18:08:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info we may not have a fix for this in the new anaconda build, but we should also re-test different ways of setting up software RAID and possibly reconsider the blocker status
2025-03-03 18:10:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other notes?
2025-03-03 18:11:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-03-03 18:11:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anything else at all? :D
2025-03-03 18:11:43 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Nothing from me
2025-03-03 18:11:52 <@kparal:matrix.org> everyone's asleep already 😉
2025-03-03 18:12:09 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> so ... is this beta going to be the first release with Anaconda Web UI by default?
2025-03-03 18:12:20 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> (at least for Workstation?)
2025-03-03 18:13:34 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> just because I'm hoping that there's not going to be a flood of bug reports when the beta releases :D
2025-03-03 18:15:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yes, that's the plan
2025-03-03 18:15:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and we await the result with interest :D
2025-03-03 18:15:34 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> me too ...
2025-03-03 18:15:48 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> (I did an install from a nightly F42 image in a VM a few days ago, and parts of the custom partitioning UI are ... very strange, and the fact that anaconda now seems to format the disks and partitions you set up *twice*  is weird too  - once on the "no-backsies!" custom partitioning screen and once at the start of the actual install)
2025-03-03 18:16:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, i can see why that happens but it'd be nice if it could be avoided by having the install phase realize the webui partitioner already did it
2025-03-03 18:17:28 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> it also took me painfully long to find the custom partitioning option, hidden behind the very inconspicuous Hamburger menu in the corner ...
2025-03-03 18:18:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think you can guess why it's hidden now
2025-03-03 18:18:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that's kinda by design, as the *idea* is to try and avoid the need for it as far as possible - there are meant to be more powerful guided options now, like the 'replace current install' option
2025-03-03 18:19:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i love watching the lifecycle of the installer developer
2025-03-03 18:19:15 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I get that, but I never liked the defaults 😆
2025-03-03 18:19:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> when they're newly hatched they're all so endearingly optimistic
2025-03-03 18:19:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 😆
2025-03-03 18:19:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini also, the 'do your partitioning with whatever tool you like, then assign the mount points in the installer' workflow is intended to be commonly used
2025-03-03 18:20:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> though that comes with the rather large gotcha that you have to know exactly what bootloader-related partitions you need to set up
2025-03-03 18:20:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini also, the 'do your partitioning with whatever tool you like, then assign the mount points in the installer' workflow is intended to be commonly used for partition pokemons (that's what we call people like you :>)
2025-03-03 18:20:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> lol
2025-03-03 18:20:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> 
2025-03-03 18:20:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> > partition pokemons
2025-03-03 18:21:33 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> to be fair, I looked like the new advanced UI did *some* validation of what I set up before accepting it
2025-03-03 18:22:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, being able to do that is one of the reasons the initial 'let's have no custom UI in the installer, just the mount point selection flow' didn't work out
2025-03-03 18:22:24 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> also, my setup is not *that* strange ... just btrfs subvolumes for / and /home instead of just / at btrfs root
2025-03-03 18:22:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> everyone has their own one little thing they want to do
2025-03-03 18:23:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's the software tragedy
2025-03-03 18:23:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> wait what
2025-03-03 18:23:10 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I didn't have to do that for the F42 test VM, but was curious whether the new WebUI supported that :D
2025-03-03 18:23:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if i was making an installer it'd have a GO button
2025-03-03 18:23:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this is supposed to be the default
2025-03-03 18:23:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ...that's all
2025-03-03 18:23:23 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> it is? 👀
2025-03-03 18:23:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i think the default still varies based on disk size
2025-03-03 18:23:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if there's more than...I wanna say it's 50GB?...of space, you get separate /home
2025-03-03 18:23:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if there's less than that, you just get root
2025-03-03 18:23:54 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> "YOLO"
2025-03-03 18:24:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i *think* that code got kept even with btrfs
2025-03-03 18:24:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's... unexpected
2025-03-03 18:24:18 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> oh that would make sense. I give my VMs only 20 gigs of disk
2025-03-03 18:24:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> though it's arguably a bit obsolete with btrfs subvolumes? the main worry was that splitting them up would have space issues
2025-03-03 18:24:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> right
2025-03-03 18:24:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> probably worth filing a bug report to remove that filter for btrfs
2025-03-03 18:24:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> check that, though, i'm just tlaking off the top of my head here
2025-03-03 18:25:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyhoo, seems like the meeting is over
2025-03-03 18:25:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting