2025-09-29 16:03:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting F43-blocker-review
2025-09-29 16:03:47 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-09-29 16:03:46 UTC
2025-09-29 16:03:47 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'F43-blocker-review'
2025-09-29 16:03:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2025-09-29 16:03:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who's around for f43 blocker review fun?
2025-09-29 16:03:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-09-29 16:03:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-09-29 16:03:58 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-29 16:03:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Lukáš Růžička (lruzicka)
2025-09-29 16:04:02 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> !hi 
2025-09-29 16:04:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Kashyap Chamarthy (kashyapc)
2025-09-29 16:04:32 <@derekenz:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-29 16:04:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Derek Enz (derekenz)
2025-09-29 16:04:39 <@kparal:matrix.org> !hi
2025-09-29 16:04:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Kamil Páral (kparal) - he / him / his
2025-09-29 16:04:47 <@pschindl:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-29 16:04:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Petr Schindler (pschindl)
2025-09-29 16:05:03 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> Petr Schindler: no way
2025-09-29 16:05:13 <@osalbahr:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-29 16:05:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Osama Albahrani (osalbahr)
2025-09-29 16:05:23 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-29 16:05:24 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)
2025-09-29 16:06:08 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> !hi
2025-09-29 16:06:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Geraldo S. Simião Kutz (geraldosimiao) - he / him / his
2025-09-29 16:07:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi hi hi, how is everybody
2025-09-29 16:07:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ehh
2025-09-29 16:08:08 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> So so
2025-09-29 16:08:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> haha
2025-09-29 16:08:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> mondays, huh
2025-09-29 16:08:56 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> I'm back and forth, sorry for the split attention. My wife hurt her knee this weekend.
2025-09-29 16:09:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> aw, sorry to hear
2025-09-29 16:09:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hope she gets better soon
2025-09-29 16:09:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, let's get rolling with everyone's favorite...boilerplate
2025-09-29 16:10:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria
2025-09-29 16:10:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_43_Beta_Release_Criteria
2025-09-29 16:10:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_43_Final_Release_Criteria
2025-09-29 16:10:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
2025-09-29 16:10:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The bugs up for review today are available at:
2025-09-29 16:10:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
2025-09-29 16:10:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
2025-09-29 16:10:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Introduction
2025-09-29 16:10:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Why are we here?
2025-09-29 16:10:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs.
2025-09-29 16:10:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info We'll be following the process outlined at:
2025-09-29 16:10:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info for Final we have 1 proposed blocker and 2 proposed freeze exceptions
2025-09-29 16:10:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who wants to secretarialize?
2025-09-29 16:10:23 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> I do
2025-09-29 16:10:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yay
2025-09-29 16:10:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info lruzicka will secretarialize
2025-09-29 16:10:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let's get started with:
2025-09-29 16:11:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Final blocker
2025-09-29 16:11:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+5,0,-0) (+augenauf, +kparal, +asciiwolf, +kashyapc, +derekenz)
2025-09-29 16:11:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2395731) Overview, keyboard stops working
2025-09-29 16:11:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2395731
2025-09-29 16:11:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1948
2025-09-29 16:11:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, VERIFIED
2025-09-29 16:11:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,0,-2) (-kparal, -geraldosimiao)
2025-09-29 16:12:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'd be +1 if this was easily reproducible but it seems like it isn't? has anyone else tried?
2025-09-29 16:12:25 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Well that's not good
2025-09-29 16:12:55 <@pboy:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-29 16:12:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Peter Boy (pboy)
2025-09-29 16:12:59 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> I tried and could not reproduce.
2025-09-29 16:13:23 <@kparal:matrix.org> I couldn't either
2025-09-29 16:14:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, i'm -1 blocker on that basis. it's a bit academic as it's accepted FE and the fix is tested, but hey
2025-09-29 16:14:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that's -3 total...any other votes?
2025-09-29 16:14:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I only just got a F43 Workstation machine going and I couldn't reproduce
2025-09-29 16:15:04 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> FB -1
2025-09-29 16:15:14 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ops I already voted
2025-09-29 16:15:16 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> FinalBlocker -1
2025-09-29 16:15:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> FinalBlocker -1
2025-09-29 16:15:30 <@derekenz:fedora.im> FinalBlocker -1
2025-09-29 16:15:34 <@pschindl:fedora.im> FinalBlocker -1
2025-09-29 16:15:48 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I can't seem to reproduce either
2025-09-29 16:15:51 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalBlocker -1
2025-09-29 16:15:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2395731 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - this is rejected as it doesn't seem straightforwardly reproducible (several folks have tried), so we don't think it's severe enough to block the release. Note it's already accepted as an FE and the fix is tested, so the fix will be going in anyhow
2025-09-29 16:16:08 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I did learn about <Ctrl><Alt><Tab> though, that's neat
2025-09-29 16:16:10 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:16:11 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2025-09-29 16:16:14 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:16:14 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:16:15 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:16:22 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ack
2025-09-29 16:16:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2395731 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - this is rejected as it doesn't seem straightforwardly reproducible (several folks have tried), so we don't think it's severe enough to block the release. Note it's already accepted as an FE and the fix is tested, so the fix will be going in anyhow
2025-09-29 16:17:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, let's move on to:
2025-09-29 16:17:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Final freeze exceptions
2025-09-29 16:18:23 <@supakeen:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-29 16:18:24 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Simon de Vlieger (supakeen) - he / him / his
2025-09-29 16:18:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi simon
2025-09-29 16:18:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+1,3,-0) (+asciiwolf, kparal, geraldosimiao, nielsenb)
2025-09-29 16:18:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,0,-6) (-kparal, -kashyapc, -derekenz, -geraldosimiao, -nielsenb, -boniboyblue)
2025-09-29 16:18:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2388961
2025-09-29 16:18:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gdk-pixbuf2, NEW
2025-09-29 16:18:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1949
2025-09-29 16:18:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2388961) glycin backend saving jpg format does not work at all
2025-09-29 16:18:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this one seems a bit...mysterious. there's some kind of bug! nobody wants to say what actual consqeuences it has
2025-09-29 16:19:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> from mclasen's comment it sounds like it's not even exactly a bug...
2025-09-29 16:19:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I dunno, I _believe_ it's a bug
2025-09-29 16:19:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we've hit a lot of these with glycin this cycle
2025-09-29 16:20:03 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> "The Work Is Mysterious and Important" (Mark)
2025-09-29 16:20:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well, yeah, looking at it more closely there's *some* kind of bug here
2025-09-29 16:20:50 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> fwiw I'm working on updating glycin to the latest version which has some bug fixes (which ones? who knows!)
2025-09-29 16:20:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if jpeg doesn't support transparency, we shouldn't get a pixbuf with an alpha channel by loading a jpeg file, right?
2025-09-29 16:21:07 <@supakeen:fedora.im> I guess it's not *that* dangerous to do a FE for this even if no one can name an affected application?
2025-09-29 16:21:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> but it seems pretty abstruse as-is. i'm -1 FE without a concrete impact demonstrated
2025-09-29 16:21:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Simon de Vlieger the theory for FEs (which we've been a bit lax with lately) is that you don't get one by default, you *have* to demonstrate some kind of sensible reason to get one
2025-09-29 16:21:38 <@supakeen:fedora.im> But that's pretty weak, and without an application I have no idea how to test.
2025-09-29 16:21:43 <@supakeen:fedora.im> Yea.
2025-09-29 16:21:50 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> Yeah, it's not clear what is exactly affected. I have a hard time parsing it to figure out the real impact.
2025-09-29 16:21:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the fact that this bug was able to be filed means an application _was_ affected
2025-09-29 16:22:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you don't file a bug for nothing
2025-09-29 16:22:15 <@supakeen:fedora.im> Yea but then we got a reproducer in the form of a code snippet.
2025-09-29 16:22:21 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Sure, but a blocking application?
2025-09-29 16:22:30 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> It's possible it is just some application for personal use affected
2025-09-29 16:22:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> blocking applications are not a requirement for FEs
2025-09-29 16:22:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> they are a requirement for blockers
2025-09-29 16:22:43 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> No, but they help the case a lot
2025-09-29 16:22:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo well, not necessarily. mamoru could've been just poking around. it's hard to be sure
2025-09-29 16:22:55 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> At least *some* application would help
2025-09-29 16:22:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the blocking app comment was for assessing this as a blocker
2025-09-29 16:23:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'd be fine considering it as an FE if someone said 'oh this breaks <popular app foo>'. just nobody has said that yet.
2025-09-29 16:23:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I mean, every GTK based image loader uses gdk-pixbuf
2025-09-29 16:24:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so take the sample image and load it in eog or something
2025-09-29 16:24:37 <@supakeen:fedora.im> (and then save it again, that's where the bug is supposed to occur; when it tries writing a JPEG with an alpha channel)
2025-09-29 16:24:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> outside of LXQt, COSMIC, and KDE, all the spins use gdk-pixbuf for wallpapers too
2025-09-29 16:24:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but alpha channel on wallpapers is weird
2025-09-29 16:25:26 <@supakeen:fedora.im> I think the entire issue is that it *thinks* JPEGs have alpha channels which isn't a problem during rendering, but when it saves it tries to write it out and breaks, something like that.
2025-09-29 16:25:27 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Oh ho, I see
2025-09-29 16:25:43 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Yeah, that's pretty broken
2025-09-29 16:25:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, it makes sense that's the issue
2025-09-29 16:25:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the fact that it thinks there's an alpha channel after loading a jpeg definitely seems like a problem. but not sure if it's all jpegs or just this one
2025-09-29 16:25:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and it also makes sense this is a problem because JXL supports alpha, but not classic JPEG
2025-09-29 16:26:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> wait, is the sample file a jxl not a jpeg?
2025-09-29 16:26:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and JPG2000 does support alpha too Iirc
2025-09-29 16:26:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and JPG2000 does support alpha too iirc
2025-09-29 16:26:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so that means it's _possible_ to feed a JPG data stream to a JPEG codec that is semi-invalid
2025-09-29 16:27:02 <@supakeen:fedora.im> No, we're just theorizing reasons why the bug exists I think :)
2025-09-29 16:27:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah. let's not debug it here
2025-09-29 16:27:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we can punt or reject
2025-09-29 16:27:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'm fine with either. other votes?
2025-09-29 16:28:00 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> punt +1
2025-09-29 16:28:04 <@supakeen:fedora.im> How about we punt and see if we can find an application that it affects, if not, then no blocker/no FE.
2025-09-29 16:28:15 <@derekenz:fedora.im> punt
2025-09-29 16:28:20 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> punt +1
2025-09-29 16:28:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> punt
2025-09-29 16:28:29 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I guess I see it affects a lot of things
2025-09-29 16:28:43 <@pschindl:fedora.im> punt +1
2025-09-29 16:28:46 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> But now I feel like the flow isn't likely to be commonly hit
2025-09-29 16:28:52 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> But yeah... punt
2025-09-29 16:28:54 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Punt +1
2025-09-29 16:29:32 <@pboy:fedora.im> punt +1 to clear the fog
2025-09-29 16:30:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2388961 - punt (delay decision) - we felt like this could *potentially* be something with enough of an impact to justify an FE, but nobody has yet demonstrated such an impact. we agreed to punt to give folks a chance to demonstrate a problem in a typical pre-install / pre-update use case
2025-09-29 16:30:22 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ack
2025-09-29 16:30:26 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:30:27 <@supakeen:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:30:28 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:30:29 <@pschindl:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:30:30 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:30:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:30:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2388961 - punt (delay decision) - we felt like this could potentially be something with enough of an impact to justify an FE, but nobody has yet demonstrated such an impact. we agreed to punt to give folks a chance to demonstrate a problem in a typical pre-install / pre-update use case
2025-09-29 16:30:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2399953
2025-09-29 16:30:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2399953) Grey rectangles were shown for VLC and GIMP instead of their icons in Plasma Welcome Center
2025-09-29 16:30:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, plasma-welcome, NEW
2025-09-29 16:30:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1951
2025-09-29 16:32:16 <@supakeen:fedora.im> I think things look better with icons instead of gray squares, +1 FE.
2025-09-29 16:32:26 <@derekenz:fedora.im> Yes
2025-09-29 16:32:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FE
2025-09-29 16:32:35 <@derekenz:fedora.im> FE +1
2025-09-29 16:32:37 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I'm pro grey squares, people should use their imagination more
2025-09-29 16:32:39 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> :D
2025-09-29 16:32:46 <@pschindl:fedora.im> FE +1
2025-09-29 16:32:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i like the new minimalist look!
2025-09-29 16:32:55 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalFE +1
2025-09-29 16:32:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 😒
2025-09-29 16:32:57 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> well, I proposed this today, as it happens on Plasma Welcome Center, and a welcome with grey squares is a bad first impression
2025-09-29 16:33:03 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> FinalFE +1
2025-09-29 16:33:16 <@kparal:matrix.org> FE +1
2025-09-29 16:33:19 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> +1 FE
2025-09-29 16:33:30 <@derekenz:fedora.im> Not a good first impression
2025-09-29 16:33:35 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Just think about all the fun icon ideas people could dream up for "GIMP"
2025-09-29 16:34:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2399953 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - as this channel is full of philistines who can't grasp my artistic vision and demand humdrum pictures over the deep stillness of the mysterious and ineffable grey square, this is accepted as an FE. barbarians
2025-09-29 16:34:28 <@pschindl:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:34:30 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:34:30 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> 🤣
2025-09-29 16:34:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (hey we're allowed to have fun here)
2025-09-29 16:34:33 <@supakeen:fedora.im> as someone lacking artistic direction: ack
2025-09-29 16:34:49 <@pboy:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:34:56 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:35:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2025-09-29 16:35:13 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ack
2025-09-29 16:35:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2399953 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - as this channel is full of philistines who can't grasp my artistic vision and demand humdrum pictures over the deep stillness of the mysterious and ineffable grey square, this is accepted as an FE. barbarians
2025-09-29 16:35:24 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:35:27 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ack
2025-09-29 16:35:30 <@pschindl:fedora.im> Propose for fix of the problem: make the rectangles green!
2025-09-29 16:35:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> damn
2025-09-29 16:35:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we actually put that in the notes
2025-09-29 16:35:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's always fun to see if anyone reads them
2025-09-29 16:36:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> also now we get to see what kparal's AI makes of it!
2025-09-29 16:36:08 <@kparal:matrix.org> I
2025-09-29 16:36:14 <@kparal:matrix.org> I'm looking forward to it
2025-09-29 16:36:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, let's take a quick turn through:
2025-09-29 16:36:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Accepted Final blockers
2025-09-29 16:36:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2396899
2025-09-29 16:36:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, abrt, ASSIGNED
2025-09-29 16:36:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2396899) All crashes are ignored by ABRT because of "Package isn't signed with proper key"
2025-09-29 16:36:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1940
2025-09-29 16:38:56 <@supakeen:fedora.im> Seems like no updates on the BZ yet outside of what maybe caused it.
2025-09-29 16:39:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any news, kparal?
2025-09-29 16:40:08 <@kparal:matrix.org> nope
2025-09-29 16:40:21 <@kparal:matrix.org> we know the developer is alive, that's all
2025-09-29 16:40:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i mean, that's definitely the preferred outcome
2025-09-29 16:41:32 <@kparal:matrix.org> zombie might be more fun, though
2025-09-29 16:41:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info this is waiting on the developer, not much we can do here
2025-09-29 16:42:05 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> Yeah, they speculate it's due to some change in RPM: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/2403
2025-09-29 16:42:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1938
2025-09-29 16:42:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, anaconda-webui, VERIFIED
2025-09-29 16:42:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2396646
2025-09-29 16:42:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2396646) The web UI doesn't warn users when reusing a /home partition on an encrypted disk.
2025-09-29 16:42:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info this is VERIFIED, just need to get the update pushed out
2025-09-29 16:42:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2360056
2025-09-29 16:42:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, distribution, ASSIGNED
2025-09-29 16:42:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1859
2025-09-29 16:42:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2360056) Fedora 43: Workstation live x86_64 image exceeds maximum size
2025-09-29 16:42:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so investigating this one is tough because du and baobab give nonsensical results
2025-09-29 16:43:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i guess i could try doing it from within a booted image
2025-09-29 16:43:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so investigating this one is tough because du and baobab give nonsensical results, presumably due to erofs(?)
2025-09-29 16:43:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we'll probably wind up just bumping the limit, but it'd be nice to at least have an idea what's big and see if there's anything we can kick out
2025-09-29 16:44:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info adamw has been poking this but it's tough as baobab and du give nonsensical data for the image, likely due to erofs. will continue to try and get accurate info at least, we can always bump the limit in the end if necessary
2025-09-29 16:44:23 <@supakeen:fedora.im> I'll see if I have some time to poke at it during the week.
2025-09-29 16:45:44 <@supakeen:fedora.im> Now there's silence before the storm (dracut).
2025-09-29 16:45:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hehe
2025-09-29 16:45:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2394213
2025-09-29 16:45:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1925
2025-09-29 16:45:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, dracut, MODIFIED
2025-09-29 16:45:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2394213) default hostonly-mode "sloppy" results in significant increase in initramfs size
2025-09-29 16:46:14 <@supakeen:fedora.im> Ok so, I saw a patch got backported to f42, but not f43?
2025-09-29 16:46:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so yeah, we...know more or less what's going on here...but waiting on pvalena's final take on a fix, also there have been rumblings about revoting it
2025-09-29 16:46:32 <@supakeen:fedora.im> f43 got a systemd-258 patch, my f42 initrd's have decreased in size again after the backport there.
2025-09-29 16:47:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, not sure what was the story with that
2025-09-29 16:48:48 <@supakeen:fedora.im> Anyhow, I still think it's a blocker as it blocks the pi2zero from booting which I think is on our list and I personally care a bit about it. I understand that's case-by-case now so feel free to disagree with me on that :)
2025-09-29 16:50:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we don't have a list any more
2025-09-29 16:50:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let's just punt this along for now, unless anyone *really* wants to revore
2025-09-29 16:50:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let's just punt this along for now, unless anyone *really* wants to revote
2025-09-29 16:51:21 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I'm happy either way
2025-09-29 16:51:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info we're waiting for pvalena's plan to fix this. we note there was a targeted revert in f42 but not yet in f43, we're not sure why. the f42 one seems to be working
2025-09-29 16:52:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, glycin, NEW, depends on other bugs
2025-09-29 16:52:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2394950) No thumbnails for video, music, epub and pdf formats
2025-09-29 16:52:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1926
2025-09-29 16:52:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2394950
2025-09-29 16:52:44 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> working on this as we speak
2025-09-29 16:52:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this is moving along, I think. the new release has been done upstream and Fabio Valentini is packaging it
2025-09-29 16:53:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info this is moving along, Fabio Valentini is packaging the new version that should fix the problem
2025-09-29 16:53:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2397086) Drop-down menus not working over RDP in Anaconda
2025-09-29 16:53:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, gnome-remote-desktop, NEW
2025-09-29 16:53:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1943
2025-09-29 16:53:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2397086
2025-09-29 16:53:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this one could be tricky. i don't know if anyone is really on it, we don't know where the problem lies...
2025-09-29 16:53:36 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Actually I encountered this not just over RDP 
2025-09-29 16:54:05 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> I was trying to do an advanced partition scenario in a VM and got the same veha5
2025-09-29 16:54:15 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Behavior. Autocorrect sorry 
2025-09-29 16:54:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> huh, that's odd. don't think i've seen it. anyone else?
2025-09-29 16:54:50 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> What VM platform?
2025-09-29 16:55:02 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Specifically the drop downs for picking field systems for partitions in the new gui
2025-09-29 16:55:10 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> I was using Proxmox 
2025-09-29 16:55:22 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Default graphics, novnc console 
2025-09-29 16:55:28 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> I have not seen this, but I am not sure if my partitioning was totally advanced.
2025-09-29 16:55:42 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Just have to up your partitioning game
2025-09-29 16:55:57 <@supakeen:fedora.im> Bug also seems to indicate that not only Anaconda is affected.
2025-09-29 16:56:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> skill issue tbh
2025-09-29 16:57:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Paul Maconi (Aggraxis) if you can reproduce it reliably that might be good info to add to the bug
2025-09-29 16:57:51 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> can do. I will fire up several iterations and see if one, some, or all of them do it
2025-09-29 16:58:00 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> it'll have to wait a few hours, though
2025-09-29 16:58:43 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> (I'm about to go run errands for the mrs. get her x-rays, etc.)
2025-09-29 16:59:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> rgr, no rush
2025-09-29 16:59:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info this one is tricky as we haven't really pinned it down enough yet. we need to investigate more. Paul might have reproduced it in a different environment (proxmox), he will re-test and add notes to the bug
2025-09-29 16:59:56 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> Can I add screenshots to the bug?
2025-09-29 17:00:13 <@derekenz:fedora.im> Yes
2025-09-29 17:00:43 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> But if they have transparency and you save them as JPG those of us on F43 won't be able to see them
2025-09-29 17:00:55 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> PNG it is.
2025-09-29 17:01:13 <@aggraxis:fedora.im> ok I gotta run. Will update that bug today.
2025-09-29 17:01:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so...the offset has been added, Peter re-tested, otherPeter is confused by the results
2025-09-29 17:01:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i guess we can leave this to Team Peter to thrash out
2025-09-29 17:01:30 <@supakeen:fedora.im> I am confused as well :)
2025-09-29 17:01:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> unless anyone else has a rockchip device to test?
2025-09-29 17:01:36 <@supakeen:fedora.im> But I *can* confirm the offsets are there.
2025-09-29 17:01:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i don't
2025-09-29 17:01:46 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I don't either
2025-09-29 17:01:59 <@supakeen:fedora.im> I was semi-contemplating throwing 90 ameridollars at a website to get one but it might not be here in time.
2025-09-29 17:02:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> please don't
2025-09-29 17:02:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> don't be like me
2025-09-29 17:02:22 <@supakeen:fedora.im> However, I *think* the bug can be closed, both things Peter Boy (ServerWG, Docs) mentioned don't seem to be the same thing as the initial bug.
2025-09-29 17:02:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> don't have a plastic tub marked FORGOTTEN ARM DEV BOARDS AND REGRETS
2025-09-29 17:02:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm going to vote that this issue should be closed as fixed
2025-09-29 17:02:57 <@supakeen:fedora.im> The offsets are there, I can flash the image and I can confirm it's mountable and the firmware ends up on it. I don't know where the LVM errors come from, I can't try to boot-test but if it gets to grub the firmware has done its thing.
2025-09-29 17:03:57 <@pboy:fedora.im> The other Peter did understand my wording. Part of the problem is fixed, there is another part that blocks booting.
2025-09-29 17:04:05 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I'm going to vote that this issue should be closed as fixed
2025-09-29 17:04:09 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I did the thing and made the space
2025-09-29 17:04:22 <@pboy:fedora.im> I have to add a seriell terminal to see what is going on.
2025-09-29 17:04:31 <@ngompa:fedora.im> the other things brought up are not part of this particular bug
2025-09-29 17:04:36 <@supakeen:fedora.im> Peter Boy (ServerWG, Docs): What I'd like to see confimred is that initially you only got to grub2 on the minimal images; and with the fix you get to grub2 on all images right?
2025-09-29 17:04:56 <@supakeen:fedora.im> (whatever happens after the kernel gets loaded, different thing)
2025-09-29 17:05:01 <@ngompa:fedora.im> The LVM errors are not new, LVM is not supported with u-boot
2025-09-29 17:05:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Peter Boy (ServerWG, Docs) you mentioned two separate problems neither of which seems to be about the offset, and one of which seems impossible (there's no LVM on the workstation image)
2025-09-29 17:05:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> All images bootet to grub, but then stalled. 
2025-09-29 17:06:16 <@supakeen:fedora.im> Ok; then we should probably consider this one done and have a new one for the "no output after grub".
2025-09-29 17:06:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, sounds good to me.
2025-09-29 17:06:50 <@pboy:fedora.im> The original issue was, none of the Rockchip devices booted. Neil fixed the gap. But this didn't fix the boot issue, just the overwriting of partition 1 
2025-09-29 17:07:30 <@supakeen:fedora.im> Peter Boy (ServerWG, Docs): In the initial bug report you wrote that workstation and xfce only showed u-boot, didn't get to grub and now they seem to get to grub.
2025-09-29 17:07:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> There is not only not output, but nothing at all. The poser consumption goes down.
2025-09-29 17:08:22 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, the to to grub, but not further. How do you want to use workstation just with grub? 
2025-09-29 17:08:59 <@supakeen:fedora.im> I can't, I just mean to say that it's a different bug from no-room-for-firmware I guess.
2025-09-29 17:09:17 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I don't think anyone is saying this new situation isn't possibly blocking, just that it needs to be a different bug
2025-09-29 17:09:46 <@supakeen:fedora.im> (With the same-ish end-result)
2025-09-29 17:09:47 <@pboy:fedora.im> The no room for firmware was one Hypotheses what may be the problem for not booting. 
2025-09-29 17:10:03 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Though I personally do all my text editing at the grub edit prompt
2025-09-29 17:10:08 <@pboy:fedora.im> Obviously, is is not the only problem.
2025-09-29 17:11:33 <@pboy:fedora.im> The original problem war not, to have a nice gap, but to get the device complete a boot und get usable.
2025-09-29 17:11:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info it seems like the original bug here is solved but Peter (Boy) is now seeing further issues reaching a working system after the bootloader. we will decide how to follow up on those after the meeting
2025-09-29 17:12:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let's move on, we can figure this out in the bug report
2025-09-29 17:12:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, mutter, VERIFIED
2025-09-29 17:12:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1944
2025-09-29 17:12:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2397256
2025-09-29 17:12:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2397256) gnome-shell crashes when dragging a Chromium tab into a new window
2025-09-29 17:12:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info fix here is VERIFIED, just need to get the update pushed stable
2025-09-29 17:12:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2394561
2025-09-29 17:12:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, selinux-policy, POST
2025-09-29 17:12:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1922
2025-09-29 17:12:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2394561) SELinux is preventing systemd from 'open' accesses on the file /tmp/webui-cockpit-ws.env.
2025-09-29 17:13:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info there's an 'upstream' fix now, just waiting on a new release/downstream package build
2025-09-29 17:14:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, that's the lot
2025-09-29 17:15:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-09-29 17:15:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other business, folks?
2025-09-29 17:15:21 <@derekenz:fedora.im> Nope
2025-09-29 17:15:30 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Not from me
2025-09-29 17:15:35 <@supakeen:fedora.im> Nope, thank you for organizing.
2025-09-29 17:15:45 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> Nope, thank you.
2025-09-29 17:16:04 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> Thanks for running it!
2025-09-29 17:16:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks for coming, everyone!
2025-09-29 17:17:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting