2026-02-16 17:00:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting F44-blocker-review
2026-02-16 17:00:10 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2026-02-16 17:00:09 UTC
2026-02-16 17:00:10 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'F44-blocker-review'
2026-02-16 17:00:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2026-02-16 17:00:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who's here for the first round of F44 blocker review fun?!
2026-02-16 17:00:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2026-02-16 17:00:38 <@psklenar:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-16 17:00:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Petr Sklenar (psklenar)
2026-02-16 17:00:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2026-02-16 17:00:44 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-16 17:00:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)
2026-02-16 17:01:17 <@kparal:matrix.org> !hi
2026-02-16 17:01:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Kamil Páral (kparal) - he / him / his
2026-02-16 17:01:42 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-16 17:01:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Christopher Boni (boniboyblue)
2026-02-16 17:02:38 <@pboy:fedora.im> !hi 
2026-02-16 17:02:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Peter Boy (pboy)
2026-02-16 17:02:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi hi everyone
2026-02-16 17:03:56 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-16 17:03:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okey dokey, impending boilerplate alert
2026-02-16 17:03:57 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Lukáš Růžička (lruzicka)
2026-02-16 17:03:57 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Hi.
2026-02-16 17:04:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
2026-02-16 17:04:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Introduction
2026-02-16 17:04:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Why are we here?
2026-02-16 17:04:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs.
2026-02-16 17:04:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
2026-02-16 17:04:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The bugs up for review today are available at:
2026-02-16 17:04:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
2026-02-16 17:04:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria
2026-02-16 17:04:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info We'll be following the process outlined at:
2026-02-16 17:04:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_44_Beta_Release_Criteria
2026-02-16 17:04:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_44_Final_Release_Criteria
2026-02-16 17:04:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info for Beta, we have:
2026-02-16 17:04:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 2 Accepted Blockers
2026-02-16 17:04:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 1 Proposed Blockers
2026-02-16 17:04:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 2 Proposed Freeze Exceptions
2026-02-16 17:04:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 5 Accepted Freeze Exceptions
2026-02-16 17:04:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info for Final, we have:
2026-02-16 17:04:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 3 Proposed Blockers
2026-02-16 17:04:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 2 Accepted Blockers
2026-02-16 17:05:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who wants to secretarialize?
2026-02-16 17:05:14 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> here I am
2026-02-16 17:05:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks Lukas
2026-02-16 17:05:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Lukáš Růžička will secretarialize
2026-02-16 17:06:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let's start with:
2026-02-16 17:06:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Beta blockers
2026-02-16 17:06:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks to everyone for voting async, we just have one left
2026-02-16 17:06:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW
2026-02-16 17:06:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2438907) [abrt] gnome-shell: meta_wayland_popup_grab_finish(): gnome-shell killed by SIGSEGV
2026-02-16 17:06:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2438907
2026-02-16 17:06:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2036
2026-02-16 17:06:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaBlocker (+2,0,-0) (+lruzicka, +psklenar)
2026-02-16 17:06:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so, Shell crashing is obviously Bad(tm), but what criterion does this violate?
2026-02-16 17:07:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> for final we can (and historically have) argued the 'don't eat user data' criterion to cover shell crashes that aren't covered any other way, but that's a final criterion, not beta
2026-02-16 17:07:29 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> Basic functionality of applications? This manifests in Decibells, Video player, etc
2026-02-16 17:07:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> there's no 'basic functionality of applications' for beta
2026-02-16 17:07:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the beta criteria were fairly specifically written to require enough for you to be able to update the system and not much more
2026-02-16 17:07:58 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> the it destroys unsaved data
2026-02-16 17:08:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that's final
2026-02-16 17:08:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> don't use a Beta if your data is important
2026-02-16 17:08:16 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> So, let's move it final then.
2026-02-16 17:08:22 <@kparal:matrix.org> how often does this happen? I haven't seen it yet
2026-02-16 17:08:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, wait
2026-02-16 17:08:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, could it crash in a way that results in a failed install? it seems to be related to any kind of popup focus
2026-02-16 17:08:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> data corruption is beta, i remembered wrong
2026-02-16 17:08:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so we can argue that
2026-02-16 17:08:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> like this is pretty severe
2026-02-16 17:08:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_44_Beta_Release_Criteria#Data_corruption
2026-02-16 17:08:53 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> I didn't really understand the report so that's why I never voted.
2026-02-16 17:08:57 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> Often, when you start fiddling with some buttons -> increase and decrease volume in Decibells.
2026-02-16 17:09:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (though it does have the 'common issues' get out clause)
2026-02-16 17:09:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it can happen with anything that involves focus->unfocus of a popup, which is pretty much all gtk menus and web based forms
2026-02-16 17:09:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i don't think it could fail an install since install uses firefox which is likely unaffected?
2026-02-16 17:09:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i've never seen this crash so i don't think it's affecting web chrome...
2026-02-16 17:10:08 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> I have not seen it in any of the browsers.
2026-02-16 17:10:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I guess it depends on what firefox uses to draw its popups
2026-02-16 17:10:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> chrome does its own thing which probably avoids this, but I don't know whether firefox is the same
2026-02-16 17:10:33 <@kparal:matrix.org> nice, I just reproduced the crash
2026-02-16 17:10:50 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> But, yes, it happens with pop-up elements in applications quite often.
2026-02-16 17:11:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so, we can use the data criterion, since it's beta.
2026-02-16 17:11:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i don't see anything else would really apply
2026-02-16 17:11:29 <@kparal:matrix.org> actually it's not a race, it doesn't seem to. Just make a popup and unfocus it -> crash
2026-02-16 17:11:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there's a fix for it
2026-02-16 17:11:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !link https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/4886
2026-02-16 17:12:13 <@kparal:matrix.org> adamw: this could apply: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria#Window_manager_functionality
2026-02-16 17:12:28 <@kparal:matrix.org> unfocusing a window is a WM functionality
2026-02-16 17:12:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, the WM criterion needs updating for the Wayland world
2026-02-16 17:12:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> a lot more stuff is the responsibility of the compositor now
2026-02-16 17:13:01 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Yup, was just going to throw out that criteria
2026-02-16 17:13:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hmm, i guess we could argue that yeah...
2026-02-16 17:13:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> depends if you call this a 'window', but it's probably close enough
2026-02-16 17:13:15 <@kparal:matrix.org> Conan Kudo: what exactly is wrong with it? The "window manager" term?
2026-02-16 17:13:31 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> the applications run in windows :D
2026-02-16 17:13:49 <@kparal:matrix.org> the description seems fine regardless of the title
2026-02-16 17:14:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Kamil Páral: probably just adding the word compositor to the mix so that people know it counts
2026-02-16 17:14:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2438907 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is accepted as a violation of Basic criterion "For each release-blocking desktop, the desktop environment must perform regular operations like windows close/resize/maximize/minimize/fullscreen (when supported/applicable), windows switching, and similar common operations as expected"
2026-02-16 17:14:43 <@kparal:matrix.org> my reproducer: in nautilus, go to any subfolder, right click on the < back arrow in title bar, that spawns a popup, and then click on desktop. Tada, crash
2026-02-16 17:14:46 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Did we vote?
2026-02-16 17:14:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> since it seems like nobody's actually -1 on this
2026-02-16 17:14:52 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Fair
2026-02-16 17:14:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2026-02-16 17:14:59 <@kparal:matrix.org> +1 beta blocker
2026-02-16 17:15:00 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> +1 BB
2026-02-16 17:15:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen it has +2 in the app and i was figuring there was at least enough +1 sentiment here to count for one more :D
2026-02-16 17:15:07 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> BetaBlocker +1
2026-02-16 17:15:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 BB
2026-02-16 17:15:10 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> I'm +1 now I know what it all means.
2026-02-16 17:15:11 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-16 17:15:22 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ack
2026-02-16 17:15:45 <@kparal:matrix.org> Petr Sklenar will need to work on his descriptions being more... descriptive 😉 
2026-02-16 17:16:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2438907 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is accepted as a violation of Basic criterion "For each release-blocking desktop, the desktop environment must perform regular operations like windows close/resize/maximize/minimize/fullscreen (when supported/applicable), windows switching, and similar common operations"
2026-02-16 17:16:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let's move on to:
2026-02-16 17:16:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Final blockers
2026-02-16 17:17:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, wait, they're all automatic, just the tool doesn't flag those for...reasons
2026-02-16 17:17:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info there are no Final blockers requiring voting - they're all image size issues which are actually automatic, I just didn't get around to processing them yet
2026-02-16 17:17:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so let's move on to:
2026-02-16 17:17:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Beta freeze exceptions
2026-02-16 17:18:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaBlocker (+0,0,-6) (-nielsenb, -catanzaro, -derekenz, -boniboyblue, -adamwill, -psklenar)
2026-02-16 17:18:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2026
2026-02-16 17:18:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2437985) VPN connection require "sudo" permissions
2026-02-16 17:18:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2437985
2026-02-16 17:18:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, NetworkManager, NEW
2026-02-16 17:18:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this was rejected as a blocker by ticket vote, but I proposed it as an FE as it *is* annoying
2026-02-16 17:18:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> I figure if we can get it improved for beta we should
2026-02-16 17:18:40 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> +1 for BetaFE
2026-02-16 17:18:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 BetaFE
2026-02-16 17:18:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> hah. I have a dupe I guess...
2026-02-16 17:19:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (this is a stupid bug to ship with, but we don't have criteria for the case of "half-broken")
2026-02-16 17:19:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2432442
2026-02-16 17:19:18 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> BetaFE +1
2026-02-16 17:20:08 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> BFE +1
2026-02-16 17:20:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2437985 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it's a pretty annoying experience for VPN users and it would clearly be better to ship with it fixed if safely possible
2026-02-16 17:21:33 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ack
2026-02-16 17:21:36 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-16 17:21:42 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2026-02-16 17:21:47 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> ack
2026-02-16 17:22:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-16 17:22:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2437985 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it's a pretty annoying experience for VPN users and it would clearly be better to ship with it fixed if safely possible
2026-02-16 17:23:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2440208) [Kinoite] Plasma Login issue with rawhide rebase
2026-02-16 17:23:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2440208
2026-02-16 17:23:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2037
2026-02-16 17:23:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, plasma-login-manager, NEW
2026-02-16 17:23:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+2,0,-0) (+boniboyblue, +ngompa)
2026-02-16 17:23:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nobody knows what's going on with this, but it should be fixed if we can figure out what's borked
2026-02-16 17:23:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, on the face of it i'm +1
2026-02-16 17:23:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we can always re-evaluate if further testing changes the picture
2026-02-16 17:24:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> just please be careful that any fix doesn't affect release-blocking KDE
2026-02-16 17:24:33 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> Has something to do with an entry being missing from /etc/shadow it seems.
2026-02-16 17:24:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well that's definitely not in my realm
2026-02-16 17:25:13 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> BFE +1
2026-02-16 17:25:41 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> BetaFE +1
2026-02-16 17:25:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, man, is this more shadow 4.19 stuff?!
2026-02-16 17:26:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it changed a lot, but this may *most likely* be selinux issues, if anything is operating on a chroot at least
2026-02-16 17:26:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> probably 😅
2026-02-16 17:26:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it changed a lot, but this may *most likely* be selinux issues, if using a shadow util on a different root with -R at least
2026-02-16 17:26:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> afaik the atomic desktops still use traditional anaconda-y stuff
2026-02-16 17:28:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well, this is about rebase failing when fresh install works, so it's probably not anaconda
2026-02-16 17:29:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> but hey, who knows
2026-02-16 17:29:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we don't have to debug it live
2026-02-16 17:29:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (it might still be because of how the ostrees are made)
2026-02-16 17:29:47 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Meeting topic changed to live debug
2026-02-16 17:29:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2440208 AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as an FE as a significant upgrade issue for a non-blocking configuration (Kinoite), we just ask that care be taken that any fix doesn't affect any release-blocking KDE configuration
2026-02-16 17:29:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but yeah, later :)
2026-02-16 17:30:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2026-02-16 17:30:02 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ack
2026-02-16 17:30:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-16 17:30:40 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> ack
2026-02-16 17:30:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2440208 AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as an FE as a significant upgrade issue for a non-blocking configuration (Kinoite), we just ask that care be taken that any fix doesn't affect any release-blocking KDE configuration
2026-02-16 17:31:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> aaaand...I think that's it?
2026-02-16 17:31:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2026-02-16 17:31:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> good job everyone, that was painless
2026-02-16 17:31:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> did I miss anything?
2026-02-16 17:33:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, the openqa tests are randomly failing a lot
2026-02-16 17:33:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> no idea why tho
2026-02-16 17:33:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> for...various reasons
2026-02-16 17:33:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's a lot better than it was, though
2026-02-16 17:34:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the *biggest* one was https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/4608 which carlos fixed after i bisected it for two days
2026-02-16 17:35:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> now we just have a few identifiable flakes - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2402533 , https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2439826 , https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues/2601 - and the occasional thing that's just a bitflip or a longstanding flake i haven't got around to poking into yet (like how freeipa server deployment sometimes just...fails)
2026-02-16 17:35:34 <@kparal:matrix.org> I just filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2440238
2026-02-16 17:36:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh hey my old friend xdp timeouts, you're back, this time in a gnome-y flavor
2026-02-16 17:37:08 <@kparal:matrix.org> if it makes sense to report it upstream, I can
2026-02-16 17:37:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i think it's worthwhile
2026-02-16 17:37:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> worst case it gets closed/ignored
2026-02-16 17:38:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (this used to be a big problem on kde because the different backends would conflict and break things)
2026-02-16 17:39:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> everyone but gnome has to ship at least two portal backends, and xdp doesn't really do a good job of handling that
2026-02-16 17:39:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so I'm surprised this issue crops up now with gnome, since it technically _shouldn't_ be a thing
2026-02-16 17:39:43 <@farchord:fedora.im> Mmmm did you talk about the mariadb issue?
2026-02-16 17:40:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh hey Workstation ships two portal backends too
2026-02-16 17:40:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> xdp-gtk and xdp-gnome
2026-02-16 17:40:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's accepted as a final blocker, on ticket votes
2026-02-16 17:40:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so it might be the same issue
2026-02-16 17:40:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we could make it a beta FE too I guess?
2026-02-16 17:40:15 <@farchord:fedora.im> ok
2026-02-16 17:40:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i can propose it and we can just do a ticket vote i guess
2026-02-16 17:41:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's done that for years, though.
2026-02-16 17:41:22 <@farchord:fedora.im> Otherwise, I've been using F44 for a bit and it seems decent once those bugs get ironed out. Some apps no longer works, but not release blocking
2026-02-16 17:41:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i proposed it as a beta fe, should show up for ticket votes on the next refresh
2026-02-16 17:42:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, but who knows? maybe something changed in xdp
2026-02-16 17:43:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, i guess we're done
2026-02-16 17:43:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks for coming out, everyone!
2026-02-16 17:47:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting