13:01:08 <mvollmer> #startmeeting meeting 13:01:08 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jul 4 13:01:08 2016 UTC. The chair is mvollmer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:01:08 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:01:08 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'meeting' 13:01:15 <mvollmer> .hello mvo 13:01:16 <zodbot> mvollmer: mvo 'Marius Vollmer' <marius.vollmer@gmail.com> 13:01:27 <andreasn> .hello andreasn 13:01:28 <zodbot> andreasn: andreasn 'Andreas Nilsson' <anilsson@redhat.com> 13:01:37 <harish__> .hello harishanand 13:01:38 <zodbot> harish__: harishanand 'Harish Anand' <harishanand95@gmail.com> 13:02:05 <mvollmer> #topic Agenda 13:02:13 <mvollmer> * teaming 13:02:19 <harish__> * timers 13:02:31 <mvollmer> * fedaor-24 via virt-builder 13:03:01 <andreasn> * vm-management 13:03:51 <mvollmer> okay, let's start 13:03:55 <mvollmer> #topic teaming 13:04:18 <mvollmer> so when I was young and naive I didn't want to put any config settings into the team UI 13:04:37 <mvollmer> now that I am older I am afraid we need to put them all there more or less 13:04:46 <mvollmer> similar to bonds 13:04:57 <andreasn> a lot of edge cases? 13:04:57 <mvollmer> so not super massive, but still 13:05:04 <mvollmer> well 13:05:07 <mlibra> .hello mlibra 13:05:09 <zodbot> mlibra: mlibra 'Marek Libra' <mlibra@redhat.com> 13:05:28 <mvollmer> for example, there are real tradeoffs with themonitoring 13:05:47 <mvollmer> it's not something where the software can do the right thing 13:06:32 <mvollmer> the mode of the team also depends on what other hardware you have 13:06:38 <andreasn> so what ones would we need to add? And what cases would they solve? 13:07:12 <andreasn> right, so you'll need a very specific switch to use a certain team mode, right? 13:07:17 <mvollmer> the runner mode (load balance vs active backup mostly) 13:07:24 <mvollmer> port priorities 13:08:10 <mvollmer> link monitoring (sending pings acress the whole network vs just checking the local cable) 13:08:24 <andreasn> link monitoring is on/off? 13:08:34 <mvollmer> andreasn, no, i's always on 13:08:43 <mvollmer> it's one method vs the other 13:09:06 <mvollmer> andreasn, should we plan that from the top, also for bonds? 13:09:59 <andreasn> yes, I think that would be best. Ideally as proper use cases 13:10:05 <mvollmer> or should I just bring teams to about the same level as bonds` 13:10:16 <mvollmer> andreasn, okay, let's do that. 13:10:27 <andreasn> "John has X type of hardware in his network, so he needs to be able to set this" 13:11:15 <mvollmer> yeah, it'll be a bit of reverse engineering the use cases out of the existing teamd features... 13:12:13 <andreasn> I wish we had some data on what settings affected almost everyone, what applies to 50% of users and what is applicable to only 1 in 1000 13:12:36 <andreasn> to get some sense of what are the most important things to expose 13:12:39 <mvollmer> yeah, I was asking but didn't get much, but I have some contacts now 13:12:44 <andreasn> that's good 13:13:14 <andreasn> what I saw on some of the discussions was "here is a really odd thing that can happen in very extreme situations" 13:13:32 <mvollmer> really? 13:13:55 <mvollmer> tbh, we don't have anything for actually monitoring what's going on 13:13:57 <andreasn> maybe I just read it like that by the way it was phrased 13:14:09 <mvollmer> like, did the link actually fail and is in backup now? 13:14:18 <mvollmer> it's all very thin 13:14:30 <mvollmer> we might need multi hour meetings in brno... 13:15:30 <mvollmer> okay, next? 13:15:50 <mvollmer> #topic timers 13:17:42 <mvollmer> harish__, your turn 13:18:03 <harish__> oh sorry i lost connection in between 13:18:14 <harish__> https://medium.com/@harishanand95/gsoc-week-4-timer-app-design-changes-caf1de4bfafa#.gsg2upxig 13:18:33 <harish__> andreasn, i have updated the #4645 timers pr 13:18:49 <harish__> https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/pull/4645 13:18:51 <andreasn> I only saw the mockups so far, will try in action shortly 13:18:59 <andreasn> the changes looks good I think 13:19:22 <harish__> okay. the changes were basically on making the inputs inside tables 13:19:36 <harish__> which I think is what is followed throughout cockpit 13:20:01 <andreasn> yup 13:20:34 <harish__> andreasn, please do test out invalid inputs as well 13:20:40 <andreasn> I will! 13:21:55 <harish__> invalid input msgs causes changes in some elements positions 13:22:03 <harish__> rest i think is okay 13:22:19 <harish__> eot 13:23:40 <mvollmer> okay 13:23:56 <mvollmer> #topic fedora-24 via virt-builder 13:24:08 <mvollmer> so Fedora 24 is out and virt-builder has templates for it 13:24:19 <mvollmer> so we should use that instead of virt-install to make our images 13:24:23 <mvollmer> I'll work on that 13:25:12 <mvollmer> either way should be fine, but virt-builder is faster and much easier for others to reproduce, imo 13:25:40 <mvollmer> eot 13:26:05 <mvollmer> #topic vm-management 13:26:52 <andreasn> so, I'll begin by saying that I unfortunatley failed to build this still 13:27:08 <andreasn> but I'll keep poking at it 13:27:32 <mlibra> andreasn, let's build it together after the meeting 13:27:35 <mlibra> the PR is updated to recent master 13:27:49 <andreasn> thanks! 13:27:54 <mlibra> and I tryed to build it on top of fresh upstream/master clone 13:28:40 <andreasn> yeah, something is weird with my setup somehow 13:28:47 <andreasn> but we'll figure it out I'm sure 13:28:51 <mlibra> we'll succeed (I'm sure), anyway I can still send screenshots so it can give you clue 13:29:01 <andreasn> yeah, that's a good backup 13:29:51 <mlibra> more general question: how far is the webpack in other packages? 13:30:18 <mlibra> I'll align the VM management PR accordingly 13:31:18 <mvollmer> mlibra, I think there is nobody here that can answer that 13:31:20 <mvollmer> unfortunately 13:31:26 <mvollmer> *who 13:31:28 <larsu> mlibra: good progress. stef put up a pr last week with webpack stuff 13:31:32 <mvollmer> hah 13:32:02 <larsu> and lots of infrastructure that we need led for it landed as well (moving libraries around a bit, mostly) 13:32:30 <mlibra> how can I help? :-) 13:33:12 <larsu> I think we're good for now thanks 13:33:26 <larsu> once we have one or two in, we'll need help converting the other ones 13:33:38 <larsu> but we're still figuring out how to do things 13:34:05 <mlibra> ok 13:36:57 <andreasn> I think that's it on VMs? 13:37:28 <mlibra> yes from my side 13:37:40 <mvollmer> alright 13:37:56 <larsu> yep I think so too 13:38:09 <mvollmer> #topic other stuff 13:40:37 <andreasn> nothing from me 13:41:07 <mvollmer> okay, thanks everyone! 13:41:10 <mvollmer> #endmeeting