13:01:08 <mvollmer> #startmeeting meeting
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13:01:15 <mvollmer> .hello mvo
13:01:16 <zodbot> mvollmer: mvo 'Marius Vollmer' <marius.vollmer@gmail.com>
13:01:27 <andreasn> .hello andreasn
13:01:28 <zodbot> andreasn: andreasn 'Andreas Nilsson' <anilsson@redhat.com>
13:01:37 <harish__> .hello harishanand
13:01:38 <zodbot> harish__: harishanand 'Harish Anand' <harishanand95@gmail.com>
13:02:05 <mvollmer> #topic Agenda
13:02:13 <mvollmer> * teaming
13:02:19 <harish__> * timers
13:02:31 <mvollmer> * fedaor-24 via virt-builder
13:03:01 <andreasn> * vm-management
13:03:51 <mvollmer> okay, let's start
13:03:55 <mvollmer> #topic teaming
13:04:18 <mvollmer> so when I was young and naive I didn't want to put any config settings into the team UI
13:04:37 <mvollmer> now that I am older I am afraid we need to put them all there more or less
13:04:46 <mvollmer> similar to bonds
13:04:57 <andreasn> a lot of edge cases?
13:04:57 <mvollmer> so not super massive, but still
13:05:04 <mvollmer> well
13:05:07 <mlibra> .hello mlibra
13:05:09 <zodbot> mlibra: mlibra 'Marek Libra' <mlibra@redhat.com>
13:05:28 <mvollmer> for example, there are real tradeoffs with themonitoring
13:05:47 <mvollmer> it's not something where the software can do the right thing
13:06:32 <mvollmer> the mode of the team also depends on what other hardware you have
13:06:38 <andreasn> so what ones would we need to add? And what cases would they solve?
13:07:12 <andreasn> right, so you'll need a very specific switch to use a certain team mode, right?
13:07:17 <mvollmer> the runner mode (load balance vs active backup mostly)
13:07:24 <mvollmer> port priorities
13:08:10 <mvollmer> link monitoring (sending pings acress the whole network vs just checking the local cable)
13:08:24 <andreasn> link monitoring is on/off?
13:08:34 <mvollmer> andreasn, no, i's always on
13:08:43 <mvollmer> it's one method vs the other
13:09:06 <mvollmer> andreasn, should we plan that from the top, also for bonds?
13:09:59 <andreasn> yes, I think that would be best. Ideally as proper use cases
13:10:05 <mvollmer> or should I just bring teams to about the same level as bonds`
13:10:16 <mvollmer> andreasn, okay, let's do that.
13:10:27 <andreasn> "John has X type of hardware in his network, so he needs to be able to set this"
13:11:15 <mvollmer> yeah, it'll be a bit of reverse engineering the use cases out of the existing teamd features...
13:12:13 <andreasn> I wish we had some data on what settings affected almost everyone, what applies to 50% of users and what is applicable to only 1 in 1000
13:12:36 <andreasn> to get some sense of what are the most important things to expose
13:12:39 <mvollmer> yeah, I was asking but didn't get much, but I have some contacts now
13:12:44 <andreasn> that's good
13:13:14 <andreasn> what I saw on some of the discussions was "here is a really odd thing that can happen in very extreme situations"
13:13:32 <mvollmer> really?
13:13:55 <mvollmer> tbh, we don't have anything for actually monitoring what's going on
13:13:57 <andreasn> maybe I just read it like that by the way it was phrased
13:14:09 <mvollmer> like, did the link actually fail and is in backup now?
13:14:18 <mvollmer> it's all very thin
13:14:30 <mvollmer> we might need multi hour meetings in brno...
13:15:30 <mvollmer> okay, next?
13:15:50 <mvollmer> #topic timers
13:17:42 <mvollmer> harish__, your turn
13:18:03 <harish__> oh sorry i lost connection in between
13:18:14 <harish__> https://medium.com/@harishanand95/gsoc-week-4-timer-app-design-changes-caf1de4bfafa#.gsg2upxig
13:18:33 <harish__> andreasn, i have updated the #4645 timers pr
13:18:49 <harish__> https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/pull/4645
13:18:51 <andreasn> I only saw the mockups so far, will try in action shortly
13:18:59 <andreasn> the changes looks good I think
13:19:22 <harish__> okay. the changes were basically on making the inputs inside tables
13:19:36 <harish__> which I think is what is followed throughout cockpit
13:20:01 <andreasn> yup
13:20:34 <harish__> andreasn, please do test out invalid inputs as well
13:20:40 <andreasn> I will!
13:21:55 <harish__> invalid input msgs causes changes in some elements positions
13:22:03 <harish__> rest i think is okay
13:22:19 <harish__> eot
13:23:40 <mvollmer> okay
13:23:56 <mvollmer> #topic fedora-24 via virt-builder
13:24:08 <mvollmer> so Fedora 24 is out and virt-builder has templates for it
13:24:19 <mvollmer> so we should use that instead of virt-install to make our images
13:24:23 <mvollmer> I'll work on that
13:25:12 <mvollmer> either way should be fine, but virt-builder is faster and much easier for others to reproduce, imo
13:25:40 <mvollmer> eot
13:26:05 <mvollmer> #topic vm-management
13:26:52 <andreasn> so, I'll begin by saying that I unfortunatley failed to build this still
13:27:08 <andreasn> but I'll keep poking at it
13:27:32 <mlibra> andreasn, let's build it together after the meeting
13:27:35 <mlibra> the PR is updated to recent master
13:27:49 <andreasn> thanks!
13:27:54 <mlibra> and I tryed to build it on top of fresh upstream/master clone
13:28:40 <andreasn> yeah, something is weird with my setup somehow
13:28:47 <andreasn> but we'll figure it out I'm sure
13:28:51 <mlibra> we'll succeed (I'm sure), anyway I can still send screenshots so it can give you clue
13:29:01 <andreasn> yeah, that's a good backup
13:29:51 <mlibra> more general question: how far is the webpack in other packages?
13:30:18 <mlibra> I'll align the VM management PR accordingly
13:31:18 <mvollmer> mlibra, I think there is nobody here that can answer that
13:31:20 <mvollmer> unfortunately
13:31:26 <mvollmer> *who
13:31:28 <larsu> mlibra: good progress. stef put up a pr last week with webpack stuff
13:31:32 <mvollmer> hah
13:32:02 <larsu> and lots of infrastructure that we need led for it landed as well (moving libraries around a bit, mostly)
13:32:30 <mlibra> how can I help? :-)
13:33:12 <larsu> I think we're good for now thanks
13:33:26 <larsu> once we have one or two in, we'll need help converting the other ones
13:33:38 <larsu> but we're still figuring out how to do things
13:34:05 <mlibra> ok
13:36:57 <andreasn> I think that's it on VMs?
13:37:28 <mlibra> yes from my side
13:37:40 <mvollmer> alright
13:37:56 <larsu> yep I think so too
13:38:09 <mvollmer> #topic other stuff
13:40:37 <andreasn> nothing from me
13:41:07 <mvollmer> okay, thanks everyone!
13:41:10 <mvollmer> #endmeeting