20:00:55 <mmcgrath> #startmeeting Infrastructure
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20:01:12 <smooge> here
20:01:17 <mmcgrath> #topic who's here?
20:01:18 * mdomsch 
20:01:23 * mmcgrath is here
20:01:23 <smooge> I am here
20:01:30 * sijis is here
20:01:33 <smooge> was going to start replying in the wrong channel
20:01:41 <jaxjaxmob> hi
20:02:25 * susmit is here but may leave midway
20:02:48 <mmcgrath> In case people missed it, we're having the meeting here today because the alpha go nogo meeting is still going on and that's more important :)
20:02:56 <mmcgrath> Soo
20:03:01 <mmcgrath> #topic The Alpha
20:03:04 <mmcgrath> nice transition huh?
20:03:22 <mmcgrath> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/9
20:03:24 <mmcgrath> Lets go down the list
20:03:25 <LinuxCode> hehe
20:03:29 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1484
20:03:30 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1484 (Project-tracking: fedoraproject.org (F12)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1484
20:03:33 <mmcgrath> ricky: you around?
20:03:41 <mmcgrath> hiemanshu: ping
20:03:49 <hiemanshu> mmcgrath: pong
20:04:08 <mmcgrath> hiemanshu: so there's 3 tickets here that look like F12 tickets.  I don't know what to make of them except you're a ticket owner
20:04:11 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1484
20:04:12 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1484 (Project-tracking: fedoraproject.org (F12)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1484
20:04:15 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1485
20:04:16 <mmcgrath> and
20:04:19 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1487
20:04:21 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1485 (Project-tracking: docs.fedoraproject.org (F12)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1485
20:04:26 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1487 (Project-tracking: user gallery (F12)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1487
20:04:27 <smooge> mmcgrath, ricky was working at 1am so probably not
20:04:39 <mmcgrath> hiemanshu: those tickets all have f13 alpha tags on them for some reason
20:05:04 <hiemanshu> mmcgrath: most likely someone changed em, I will remove the tags
20:05:18 <hiemanshu> User Gallery for sure has nothing set yet
20:05:27 <mmcgrath> hiemanshu: k, thanks.
20:05:34 <mmcgrath> so that brings up
20:05:36 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1996
20:05:38 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1996 (Move archive to netapp) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1996
20:05:50 <mmcgrath> I'm actually in the process of removing data from the old netapp now.  Things generally went well.
20:05:54 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1944
20:05:55 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1944 (Fedora 13 Alpha Partial Infrastructure Freeze 16/Feb - 3/March) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1944
20:05:59 <mmcgrath> This is still in place right now
20:06:11 <mmcgrath> Oxf13: ping, I know you're in the other meeting right now discussing this but what are the odds of an alpha slip?
20:06:24 <Oxf13> we slipped
20:06:27 <mmcgrath> Oxf13: k
20:06:35 <mmcgrath> Oxf13: by 1 week I assume?
20:06:37 <Oxf13> however, I have confidence we'll have an accepted RC tomorrow or Monday
20:06:44 <Oxf13> in which case we could lift the infra freeze
20:06:56 <Oxf13> yes, the new release date is a week from Tuesday
20:06:59 <mmcgrath> Oxf13: <nod>
20:07:06 <mmcgrath> Ok, I'll update the ticket on that
20:07:09 <mmcgrath> Oxf13: thanks
20:07:13 <Oxf13> but I see no need to keep infra frozen after we get the RC accepted, at least from my perspective
20:07:16 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1989
20:07:17 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1989 (Verify Mirror Space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1989
20:07:34 <hiemanshu> mmcgrath: done
20:07:48 <mmcgrath> Ok, so this one is basically good now.  We would have gone over the 1T limit with this and with archive in place now we won't.
20:08:01 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: what was your sense from the "lets go beyond 1T" from the mirror list?
20:08:28 <mdomsch> mmcgrath, they can, up to maybe 1.5T
20:08:36 <mdomsch> some can go to 2
20:08:48 <mdomsch> but we shouldn't unnecessarily
20:08:53 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: it's funny, we allow them to pick as much of a subset as they want.
20:08:59 <mmcgrath> yeah
20:09:22 <mdomsch> if we stick spins on there, ok, but we need them in separate directories so they can exclude by directory
20:09:33 <mmcgrath> I suspect that, with our regular push to archives we do, and getting rid of ppc/ppc64 we'll be able to stay below 1T.
20:09:38 <mmcgrath> <nod>
20:09:40 * jwb weeps
20:09:54 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: now, we certainly have room for the secondary spins on alt now.
20:10:00 <mmcgrath> and we'll be able to mirror alt if we want.
20:10:02 <mdomsch> the only one griping was warthog9 (kernel.org), because we use more disk space than (almost) any other distro (mandriva being slightly bigger than us footprint-wise)
20:10:07 <mmcgrath> do we want the spins on the primary mirror site if it's below 1T?
20:10:19 <Oxf13> I don't
20:10:33 <mdomsch> I'd like to start with spins on alt
20:10:36 <smooge> mdomsch, I would like to propose we say we are going to move the 1 TB to 1.2 TB
20:10:51 <mdomsch> and if there's more demand than we can satisfy with alt, move those high-demand spins to master
20:10:58 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: Oxf13: ok, alt it is then.
20:11:06 <Oxf13> if we remain vigilant at offloading outdated releases to archive, and since we're dropping PPC, we should fall in the 1TB range
20:11:07 <mdomsch> smooge, why 1.2 vs 1.5 vs ... ?
20:11:08 <Oxf13> if not lower
20:11:23 <mmcgrath> I'll make sure to have alt on the netapps by the time the beta comes out.
20:11:34 <smooge> mdomsch, dyslexia. 2 vs 5 sorry
20:11:43 <mmcgrath> Oxf13: how are we going to handle spin uploads to alt?  You/releng or will the spin makers do it or will someone else entirely?
20:12:03 <Oxf13> mmcgrath: I was already putting them on alt, because that's the only way I could get to them from the torrent system
20:12:17 <mmcgrath> Oxf13: k.
20:12:27 <mmcgrath> So I think that's all there is on that ticket for the moment.  Anyone else have any questions?
20:12:35 <mmcgrath> oh, I had one
20:12:40 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: will alt show up in the mirrorlist?
20:12:44 <smooge> the 1.5 would be our 3 year goal. to stay under for the next 3 years. at that point it will need to be reviewed due to 10% release growth
20:12:45 <mmcgrath> how will we be directing users to it?
20:12:58 <smooge> mmcgrath, that was my main question on it
20:12:59 <mdomsch> mmcgrath, it already does
20:13:15 <Oxf13> hrm ,yeah
20:13:17 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: sorry - http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/
20:13:24 <mdomsch> mmcgrath, yep
20:13:26 <Oxf13> announcing the new download locations of spins would be... interesting
20:13:29 <mdomsch> "Fedora Other"
20:13:34 <smooge> mdomsch, how many people mirror alt?
20:13:37 <mdomsch> 6
20:13:39 <Oxf13> well, that's all done by the get-fedora page, so NOT MY PROBLEM
20:13:48 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: I don't see it
20:13:52 * mmcgrath is probably missing it
20:13:57 <mdomsch> Oxf13, download.fp.o/pub/alt/...spin.iso
20:14:17 <mdomsch> works
20:14:41 <smooge> mdomsch, thanks.
20:14:43 <sijis> when is the location of the spin.iso location finalized?
20:15:01 <mmcgrath> sijis: that's a Oxf13 question :)
20:15:18 <mdomsch> huh; I'll find out why it's not on the publiclist pages
20:15:34 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: k, thanks.
20:15:59 <mdomsch> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/spins/FEL/Fedora-12-x86_64-Live-FEL/Fedora-12-x86_64-Live-FEL.iso  works
20:16:14 <mmcgrath> sijis: if we put them on alt, will you be able to add a download link to the spins.fp.o page?
20:16:32 <mdomsch> http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?path=pub/alt/spins/FEL/Fedora-12-x86_64-Live-FEL/Fedora-12-x86_64-Live-FEL.iso&country=global
20:16:40 <sijis> mmcgrath: yeah, changing it should be easy
20:16:50 <mmcgrath> sijis: we don't want to change it really but add it.
20:16:55 * sijis is trying to remember where its currently pointing to
20:17:11 <sijis> mmcgrath: that shouldn't be a problem.. so it will have 2 download locations?
20:17:18 <mmcgrath> sijis: yup
20:17:22 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: that's right right?
20:17:25 <mmcgrath> two download locations?
20:17:30 * mmcgrath wants to make sure he's not assuming something silly
20:17:56 <mmcgrath> do we not build x86_64 spins?
20:18:09 <mmcgrath> oh I see, we do.
20:18:09 <mmcgrath> ok.
20:18:20 <mdomsch> huh?
20:18:22 <mmcgrath> So what do we want the "download now" button to go to?  The torrent or the mirror?
20:18:32 <sijis> right now, its torrent
20:18:35 <mdomsch> we need an x86_64 and and i386 download button
20:18:36 <sijis> (if i recall)
20:18:49 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: we sort of have one, you have to click on the download tab first though
20:18:58 <mdomsch> ah right
20:19:04 <sijis> example: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/kde/#downloads
20:19:12 <mmcgrath> Anywho, I'll leave that one to the web team to sort out :)
20:19:15 <mmcgrath> sijis: thanks :)
20:19:21 <mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have anything else on that?
20:19:34 <sijis> yes.. who should we hear from on the paths?
20:19:51 <mmcgrath> sijis: Oxf13
20:19:52 <sijis> and are we changing the downloadnow button to a mirror or leavning as a torrent?
20:20:06 <mdomsch> sijis, both
20:20:10 <mdomsch> :-)
20:20:21 <sijis> mdomsch: you want miracles ;)
20:20:26 <mdomsch> hehe
20:20:27 <smooge> sijis, I would say iso download.
20:20:30 <sijis> that shouldn't be a problem.
20:20:40 <smooge> as that is what people are expecting
20:20:55 <sijis> yup. understood
20:20:56 <smooge> except those who have gotten used to torrents.. and then we will need a link for that.
20:21:12 <smooge> and then we will need a link to the link that was the link to the ...
20:21:29 <smooge> mizmo is gnashing her teeth in UK for some reason and doesn't know why
20:21:38 <sijis> yup.
20:21:40 <mmcgrath> heheh
20:21:57 <mmcgrath> We've got another week to fix this if we need to because of the slip so we can move on for now :)
20:22:11 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1990
20:22:13 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1990 (Release Day Ticket) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1990
20:22:18 <mmcgrath> That's just a tracker ticket
20:22:21 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1991
20:22:23 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1991 (Permissions and content verification) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1991
20:22:34 <mmcgrath> smooge: this one's you, I know they haven't actually made it yet so I'm sure it's not synced yet :)
20:23:06 <smooge> correct
20:23:17 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1992
20:23:18 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1992 (Lessons Learned) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1992
20:23:25 <mmcgrath> that one's not supposed to be done until after the release
20:23:32 <mmcgrath> So with that, does anyone have any other questions related to the release?
20:23:33 <smooge> I will ping Oxf13 or someone to get a time and will check before and after with them
20:23:38 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1993
20:23:39 <mmcgrath> is already done
20:23:39 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1993 (MM redirect) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1993
20:23:46 <mmcgrath> smooge: cool sounds good
20:24:03 <mdomsch> done
20:24:30 <mdomsch> and now I need to change the SOP...
20:24:39 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: :)
20:24:41 <mmcgrath> Ok
20:24:42 <mdomsch> 13-Alpha, 13-Beta => 13
20:24:53 <mdomsch> 14 => rawhide
20:25:13 <mdomsch> until it branches, then drop that and set up 14-Alpha and 14-Beta => 14
20:25:21 <mmcgrath> ah
20:25:22 <mmcgrath> yes
20:25:26 <mdomsch> yes, rawhide shows up as 14 now
20:25:36 <mmcgrath> hehehe
20:25:39 <mmcgrath> the future is now!
20:26:00 <mmcgrath> Ok, with that
20:26:02 <mmcgrath> #topic Open Floor
20:26:08 <mmcgrath> Does anyone have anything they'd like to disucss?
20:26:17 <mdomsch> how is dennis liking the equallogic box for koji?
20:26:27 <mdomsch> and how many more are in mike's budget ? :-)
20:26:29 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: so far things have been going ok.
20:26:39 <mmcgrath> I've been mashing pretty much nonstop yesterday and today.
20:26:45 <mmcgrath> we've been learning a lot about our environment.
20:26:49 <mmcgrath> which is nice.
20:26:58 <smooge> I am working on moving logs still
20:27:03 <mmcgrath> it's certainly faster then what we have now, but not like an order of magnitude faster or anything.
20:27:37 <smooge> I could do with an equallogic for that :)
20:27:41 <mmcgrath> I've been tuning and tuning and have gotten it to be unreliably faster by 5 minutes or so
20:27:50 <mmcgrath> but for a 40-50 minute job that's not major.
20:28:00 <mmcgrath> still half the time it takes compared to our current share.
20:28:04 <mmcgrath> smooge: :)
20:28:45 <mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else?
20:29:30 <mmcgrath> alllrighty
20:29:32 <mmcgrath> #endmeeting