20:00:55 #startmeeting Infrastructure 20:00:55 Meeting started Thu Feb 25 20:00:55 2010 UTC. The chair is mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:57 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:01:12 here 20:01:17 #topic who's here? 20:01:18 * mdomsch 20:01:23 * mmcgrath is here 20:01:23 I am here 20:01:30 * sijis is here 20:01:33 was going to start replying in the wrong channel 20:01:41 hi 20:02:25 * susmit is here but may leave midway 20:02:48 In case people missed it, we're having the meeting here today because the alpha go nogo meeting is still going on and that's more important :) 20:02:56 Soo 20:03:01 #topic The Alpha 20:03:04 nice transition huh? 20:03:22 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/9 20:03:24 Lets go down the list 20:03:25 hehe 20:03:29 .ticket 1484 20:03:30 mmcgrath: #1484 (Project-tracking: fedoraproject.org (F12)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1484 20:03:33 ricky: you around? 20:03:41 hiemanshu: ping 20:03:49 mmcgrath: pong 20:04:08 hiemanshu: so there's 3 tickets here that look like F12 tickets. I don't know what to make of them except you're a ticket owner 20:04:11 .ticket 1484 20:04:12 mmcgrath: #1484 (Project-tracking: fedoraproject.org (F12)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1484 20:04:15 .ticket 1485 20:04:16 and 20:04:19 .ticket 1487 20:04:21 mmcgrath: #1485 (Project-tracking: docs.fedoraproject.org (F12)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1485 20:04:26 mmcgrath: #1487 (Project-tracking: user gallery (F12)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1487 20:04:27 mmcgrath, ricky was working at 1am so probably not 20:04:39 hiemanshu: those tickets all have f13 alpha tags on them for some reason 20:05:04 mmcgrath: most likely someone changed em, I will remove the tags 20:05:18 User Gallery for sure has nothing set yet 20:05:27 hiemanshu: k, thanks. 20:05:34 so that brings up 20:05:36 .ticket 1996 20:05:38 mmcgrath: #1996 (Move archive to netapp) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1996 20:05:50 I'm actually in the process of removing data from the old netapp now. Things generally went well. 20:05:54 .ticket 1944 20:05:55 mmcgrath: #1944 (Fedora 13 Alpha Partial Infrastructure Freeze 16/Feb - 3/March) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1944 20:05:59 This is still in place right now 20:06:11 Oxf13: ping, I know you're in the other meeting right now discussing this but what are the odds of an alpha slip? 20:06:24 we slipped 20:06:27 Oxf13: k 20:06:35 Oxf13: by 1 week I assume? 20:06:37 however, I have confidence we'll have an accepted RC tomorrow or Monday 20:06:44 in which case we could lift the infra freeze 20:06:56 yes, the new release date is a week from Tuesday 20:06:59 Oxf13: 20:07:06 Ok, I'll update the ticket on that 20:07:09 Oxf13: thanks 20:07:13 but I see no need to keep infra frozen after we get the RC accepted, at least from my perspective 20:07:16 .ticket 1989 20:07:17 mmcgrath: #1989 (Verify Mirror Space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1989 20:07:34 mmcgrath: done 20:07:48 Ok, so this one is basically good now. We would have gone over the 1T limit with this and with archive in place now we won't. 20:08:01 mdomsch: what was your sense from the "lets go beyond 1T" from the mirror list? 20:08:28 mmcgrath, they can, up to maybe 1.5T 20:08:36 some can go to 2 20:08:48 but we shouldn't unnecessarily 20:08:53 mdomsch: it's funny, we allow them to pick as much of a subset as they want. 20:08:59 yeah 20:09:22 if we stick spins on there, ok, but we need them in separate directories so they can exclude by directory 20:09:33 I suspect that, with our regular push to archives we do, and getting rid of ppc/ppc64 we'll be able to stay below 1T. 20:09:38 20:09:40 * jwb weeps 20:09:54 mdomsch: now, we certainly have room for the secondary spins on alt now. 20:10:00 and we'll be able to mirror alt if we want. 20:10:02 the only one griping was warthog9 (kernel.org), because we use more disk space than (almost) any other distro (mandriva being slightly bigger than us footprint-wise) 20:10:07 do we want the spins on the primary mirror site if it's below 1T? 20:10:19 I don't 20:10:33 I'd like to start with spins on alt 20:10:36 mdomsch, I would like to propose we say we are going to move the 1 TB to 1.2 TB 20:10:51 and if there's more demand than we can satisfy with alt, move those high-demand spins to master 20:10:58 mdomsch: Oxf13: ok, alt it is then. 20:11:06 if we remain vigilant at offloading outdated releases to archive, and since we're dropping PPC, we should fall in the 1TB range 20:11:07 smooge, why 1.2 vs 1.5 vs ... ? 20:11:08 if not lower 20:11:23 I'll make sure to have alt on the netapps by the time the beta comes out. 20:11:34 mdomsch, dyslexia. 2 vs 5 sorry 20:11:43 Oxf13: how are we going to handle spin uploads to alt? You/releng or will the spin makers do it or will someone else entirely? 20:12:03 mmcgrath: I was already putting them on alt, because that's the only way I could get to them from the torrent system 20:12:17 Oxf13: k. 20:12:27 So I think that's all there is on that ticket for the moment. Anyone else have any questions? 20:12:35 oh, I had one 20:12:40 mdomsch: will alt show up in the mirrorlist? 20:12:44 the 1.5 would be our 3 year goal. to stay under for the next 3 years. at that point it will need to be reviewed due to 10% release growth 20:12:45 how will we be directing users to it? 20:12:58 mmcgrath, that was my main question on it 20:12:59 mmcgrath, it already does 20:13:15 hrm ,yeah 20:13:17 mdomsch: sorry - http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/ 20:13:24 mmcgrath, yep 20:13:26 announcing the new download locations of spins would be... interesting 20:13:29 "Fedora Other" 20:13:34 mdomsch, how many people mirror alt? 20:13:37 6 20:13:39 well, that's all done by the get-fedora page, so NOT MY PROBLEM 20:13:48 mdomsch: I don't see it 20:13:52 * mmcgrath is probably missing it 20:13:57 Oxf13, download.fp.o/pub/alt/...spin.iso 20:14:17 works 20:14:41 mdomsch, thanks. 20:14:43 when is the location of the spin.iso location finalized? 20:15:01 sijis: that's a Oxf13 question :) 20:15:18 huh; I'll find out why it's not on the publiclist pages 20:15:34 mdomsch: k, thanks. 20:15:59 http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/spins/FEL/Fedora-12-x86_64-Live-FEL/Fedora-12-x86_64-Live-FEL.iso works 20:16:14 sijis: if we put them on alt, will you be able to add a download link to the spins.fp.o page? 20:16:32 http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?path=pub/alt/spins/FEL/Fedora-12-x86_64-Live-FEL/Fedora-12-x86_64-Live-FEL.iso&country=global 20:16:40 mmcgrath: yeah, changing it should be easy 20:16:50 sijis: we don't want to change it really but add it. 20:16:55 * sijis is trying to remember where its currently pointing to 20:17:11 mmcgrath: that shouldn't be a problem.. so it will have 2 download locations? 20:17:18 sijis: yup 20:17:22 mdomsch: that's right right? 20:17:25 two download locations? 20:17:30 * mmcgrath wants to make sure he's not assuming something silly 20:17:56 do we not build x86_64 spins? 20:18:09 oh I see, we do. 20:18:09 ok. 20:18:20 huh? 20:18:22 So what do we want the "download now" button to go to? The torrent or the mirror? 20:18:32 right now, its torrent 20:18:35 we need an x86_64 and and i386 download button 20:18:36 (if i recall) 20:18:49 mdomsch: we sort of have one, you have to click on the download tab first though 20:18:58 ah right 20:19:04 example: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/kde/#downloads 20:19:12 Anywho, I'll leave that one to the web team to sort out :) 20:19:15 sijis: thanks :) 20:19:21 Ok, anyone have anything else on that? 20:19:34 yes.. who should we hear from on the paths? 20:19:51 sijis: Oxf13 20:19:52 and are we changing the downloadnow button to a mirror or leavning as a torrent? 20:20:06 sijis, both 20:20:10 :-) 20:20:21 mdomsch: you want miracles ;) 20:20:26 hehe 20:20:27 sijis, I would say iso download. 20:20:30 that shouldn't be a problem. 20:20:40 as that is what people are expecting 20:20:55 yup. understood 20:20:56 except those who have gotten used to torrents.. and then we will need a link for that. 20:21:12 and then we will need a link to the link that was the link to the ... 20:21:29 mizmo is gnashing her teeth in UK for some reason and doesn't know why 20:21:38 yup. 20:21:40 heheh 20:21:57 We've got another week to fix this if we need to because of the slip so we can move on for now :) 20:22:11 .ticket 1990 20:22:13 mmcgrath: #1990 (Release Day Ticket) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1990 20:22:18 That's just a tracker ticket 20:22:21 .ticket 1991 20:22:23 mmcgrath: #1991 (Permissions and content verification) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1991 20:22:34 smooge: this one's you, I know they haven't actually made it yet so I'm sure it's not synced yet :) 20:23:06 correct 20:23:17 .ticket 1992 20:23:18 mmcgrath: #1992 (Lessons Learned) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1992 20:23:25 that one's not supposed to be done until after the release 20:23:32 So with that, does anyone have any other questions related to the release? 20:23:33 I will ping Oxf13 or someone to get a time and will check before and after with them 20:23:38 .ticket 1993 20:23:39 is already done 20:23:39 mmcgrath: #1993 (MM redirect) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1993 20:23:46 smooge: cool sounds good 20:24:03 done 20:24:30 and now I need to change the SOP... 20:24:39 mdomsch: :) 20:24:41 Ok 20:24:42 13-Alpha, 13-Beta => 13 20:24:53 14 => rawhide 20:25:13 until it branches, then drop that and set up 14-Alpha and 14-Beta => 14 20:25:21 ah 20:25:22 yes 20:25:26 yes, rawhide shows up as 14 now 20:25:36 hehehe 20:25:39 the future is now! 20:26:00 Ok, with that 20:26:02 #topic Open Floor 20:26:08 Does anyone have anything they'd like to disucss? 20:26:17 how is dennis liking the equallogic box for koji? 20:26:27 and how many more are in mike's budget ? :-) 20:26:29 mdomsch: so far things have been going ok. 20:26:39 I've been mashing pretty much nonstop yesterday and today. 20:26:45 we've been learning a lot about our environment. 20:26:49 which is nice. 20:26:58 I am working on moving logs still 20:27:03 it's certainly faster then what we have now, but not like an order of magnitude faster or anything. 20:27:37 I could do with an equallogic for that :) 20:27:41 I've been tuning and tuning and have gotten it to be unreliably faster by 5 minutes or so 20:27:50 but for a 40-50 minute job that's not major. 20:28:00 still half the time it takes compared to our current share. 20:28:04 smooge: :) 20:28:45 Anyone have anything else? 20:29:30 alllrighty 20:29:32 #endmeeting