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#fedora-advisory-board: FAB
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Meeting started by mmcgrath at 18:33:38 UTC. The full logs are available
at
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Meeting summary
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* LINK: http://toshio.fedorapeople.org/orgchart.svg   (mmcgrath,
  18:33:58)
* ACTION: look at the governance models of other groups and list out
  points of what is good and bad  (abadger1999, 18:46:17)
* Issues with the current model  (abadger1999, 18:47:23)
  * IDEA: no one is responsible for planning what n+1 should be.  much
    less n+2 or n+3.  (mmcgrath, 18:48:00)
  * confusion as to which body to address for some issues.
    (abadger1999, 18:48:41)
  * confusion  as to which body to run for/vote for in order to
    influence the action taken on an issue  (abadger1999, 18:49:12)
  * Who decides what we're building?  (abadger1999, 18:50:45)
  * who mediates the tradeoffs when aspects of the vision conflict
    (abadger1999, 18:51:11)
  * Who is charged with listening to contributor concerns and making
    sure they're addressed?  (abadger1999, 18:54:46)
  * Who's charged with telling contributors their concerns won't be
    addressed.  (mmcgrath, 18:55:29)
  * the idea that the board is for strategy and fesco for tactical (when
    fesco is elected) seems prone to disaster.  (abadger1999, 18:56:22)

* pie in the sky brainstorming  (abadger1999, 19:05:23)
  * IDEA: - Kill Fedora after 15.  Re org, re brand, re design, re do
    everything from the ground up.  (mmcgrath, 19:05:43)
  * IDEA: instead of fixing governance models - instead of band-aiding a
    target audience that clearly people disagree with - have a separate
    (non-fesco, non-board) volunteer group figure out (a) what the best
    method is for the community to develop a strategy and vision - how
    to best get buy-in in development of a strategic plan from as many
    community members as possible - and figure out a timeline to
    executing the delivery of that plan...  (rbergeron, 19:09:52)
  * IDEA: get rid of the board and fesco.  Re create groups we actually
    need with clearly defined roles.  It might be 5 groups it might be 1
    group.  (mmcgrath, 19:10:39)
  * IDEA: Another pie-in-the-sky idea: why not stop producing Fedora as
    a distro entirely, and start giving more creative control to the
    individual SIGs for doing spins?  (abadger1999, 19:12:40)

Meeting ended at 21:19:39 UTC.




Action Items
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* look at the governance models of other groups and list out points of
  what is good and bad




Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
  * look at the governance models of other groups and list out points of
    what is good and bad




People Present (lines said)
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* skvidal (200)
* mizmo (147)
* mmcgrath (93)
* sgallagh (81)
* abadger1999 (52)
* walters (46)
* nirik (38)
* rbergeron (32)
* rdieter (25)
* jsmith (21)
* inode0 (20)
* smooge (16)
* zodbot (8)




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