00:24:11 #startmeeting 00:24:13 Meeting started Sat Feb 6 00:24:11 2010 UTC. The chair is quaid. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:24:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:24:20 we are a loggin' 00:24:25 woo hoo 00:24:26 #chair vwbusguy lcafiero VileGent 00:24:27 Current chairs: VileGent lcafiero quaid vwbusguy 00:24:40 that means you all can use e.g. #link or #topic to share the burden :) 00:24:45 Run that link by me again, quaid? 00:24:50 look up 00:25:00 about 8 lines ago 00:25:01 yeah, but it doesn't "link" 00:25:08 you have a . before the h 00:25:15 I'll just copy -- hang on 00:25:18 http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:25:27 the .messes it up huh? 00:25:29 http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 00:25:30 there 00:25:34 I guess 00:25:42 # http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 00:25:44 :) 00:25:48 #link http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 00:25:51 anyway, the real link is ... 00:26:00 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCALE_8x_planning_meeting-01 00:26:04 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCALE_8x_planning_meeting-01 00:26:08 * quaid still learning :) 00:26:16 Got it. Thanks. 00:26:17 sorry, lcafiero was confused for a moment about what you meant 00:26:29 What to do for the FAD? 00:26:37 that's probably the big one 00:26:43 I could use help with the Summer coding 00:26:49 Max mentioned something about Zikula 00:26:50 and it's pretty important 00:26:51 lcafiero, #link #action are the main ones you need 00:27:00 Or summer coding 00:27:05 I talked with some folks, Zikula isn't going to be able to use us aiui 00:27:25 so the deal with summer coding ... it's a SIG that is focused on the Google Summer of Code 00:27:31 and I have been behind on getting it moving 00:27:35 then summer codeing 00:27:40 it's important, too 00:27:43 Summer coding 00:27:58 #link http://iquaid.org/2009/11/04/summer-coding-benefits-to-fedora-project-and-jboss-org/ 00:28:21 so we met with some folks and have a mailing list but ... no one else is doing as much with it 00:28:25 * quaid gets some more inks 00:28:42 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_SIG 00:28:42 so that will be the focus for FAD? 00:28:48 but ... 00:28:52 if people don't want to do that, it sucks :) 00:29:09 I guess ... 00:29:14 if I can convince all of you here that it's a good idea 00:29:16 quaid, why shouldnt we work on that if it needs attention 00:29:21 then that's a majority of attendees so far :) 00:29:30 VileGent: I appreciate that! 00:29:35 Well, we'll announce it, and SCaLE will have a press release going out on it as soon as we decide what it will be. 00:29:41 * lcafiero has that on the highest authority 00:29:42 I just didn't want my priorities to become our priorities de facto 00:29:50 lcafiero: cool! 00:29:54 ok, so ... 00:30:02 vwbusguy: what do you think? 00:30:54 he was grabbing something to test 00:30:54 sounds fine to me if that's what others want to do 00:31:10 (fighting pyjigdo on the side) 00:31:23 screw pyjigdo use jigdo 00:31:40 yeah, because pyjigdo sucks 00:31:49 because well, it's python 00:31:54 quaid, but I'm fine with SoC stuff 00:32:17 herlo no the maintainer hasnt had time to iron out some bugs 00:33:12 at this point we will have f12 re-spins at SCALE 00:33:37 whee! 00:33:43 sounds good to me 00:33:46 quaid, wan't there originally going to be some font packaging? 00:33:54 vwbusguy: that was last year? 00:34:12 #action quaid to clean-up Summer Coding SIG pages to make it clear what needs doing for FAD 00:34:16 I proposed that -- that was last year. 00:34:22 +1 00:35:13 #action quaid and lcafiero to collaborate on materials for the press release 00:35:57 OK -- will need it quickly, although for SCALE's purposes, just announcing what we're doing and where (Kennedy room, I believe), will suffice 00:37:08 Booth details? 00:37:42 lcafiero, I sent that info in the email 00:38:03 you did?? 00:38:19 only email i saw was the code to register for SCALE 00:38:22 Regarding codes and such, right, vwbusguy? 00:39:06 lcafiero, hmm, I have our booth info 00:39:14 pulling up the doc now 00:39:55 booth 43 00:40:02 Right. 00:40:07 hmm 00:40:09 vwbusguy, on the wiki page would be the best please 00:40:14 since we are there ... 00:40:24 #topic booth position discussion ... 00:40:26 1 500W outlet, 1 6' table w/ Ethernet Port 00:40:42 we're in the Westin Grand Ballroom 00:40:46 * quaid guesses zodbot doesn't have auth to change the topic here 00:40:53 * quaid hopes it doesn't matter 00:40:59 VileGent, ok 00:41:01 vwbusguy: does it show a map? 00:41:16 last year we were in the far back row ... 00:41:26 we discussed blue Fedora logo balloons 00:41:40 quaid, yes 00:41:46 heres the relevant document: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/40455/SCALE/8x/Exhibitor_Kits/complete-Fedora-exhibitor-kit.pdf 00:42:04 map ison page 7 00:42:06 have the vertical banners been shipped yet 00:42:13 we may want to take care about sharing that on the wiki if it's not clearly licensed to do so 00:42:15 jds2001 ? 00:42:29 last I talked to jds2001 they were en route, but haven't made it here yet 00:42:44 Jon Stanley 00:42:56 we should get fedora balloons 00:43:05 The event box is fairly low on swag. 00:43:09 inode0 Blue and White ones 00:43:14 inode0, with horseshoes on them 00:43:16 ok, 43 is definitely in the thick of things 00:43:28 yep 00:43:53 lcafiero: I think we have a topic in the agenda for that 00:43:56 you guys have a horizonial banner correct 00:44:03 we did :) 00:44:03 quaid, we can't share that on the wiki as it has our registration codes 00:44:42 vwbusguy: yeah, if you could just put the booth number, position (middle row, right side, facing entrace?) 00:45:01 quaid, sure 00:45:07 #action update wiki with booth info 00:45:53 trip to home depot for some 2" pvc pipe and we could put the h banner in the air 00:46:13 or steal the PVC out of Ubuntu's 00:46:20 h banner? 00:46:28 h = horizontal 00:46:31 Oh. 00:46:56 Why would we do that? It worked fine on the floor at UTOSC. 00:47:11 Oh wait. 00:47:25 A horizontal banner and a vertical one, too? 00:48:01 brainstroming what we can do if we cant get ballons 00:48:07 Oh. 00:48:10 I missed that. 00:48:10 we can get blue balloons 00:48:32 quaid, just blue or blue with Fedora logo? 00:48:34 hmm ... pvc pipe for h banner is an idea 00:48:45 #idea pvc pipe for h banner 00:48:52 vwbusguy: just blue == can do 00:49:11 they could be used to hold a logo on $material 00:49:23 I don't want to be obnoxious ... 00:49:32 I just felt buried last year 00:49:47 We didn't have the vertical banners last year. 00:49:51 I think that'll make a difference 00:50:38 word 00:50:41 and the position helps 00:50:46 4 x 2' long 4 tees 2 90 degree pieces 2 2" pieces 2 6' pieces 00:50:48 * quaid shuts up about that now 00:51:04 what else is left to do for the booth? 00:51:20 heh 00:51:20 2 X how high you want to go 00:51:24 #action gather together Fedora + Red Hat + Sugar(?) talks to promote on our handout 00:51:29 OLPC's and presentation laptops 00:51:43 what's the networking situation? 00:51:48 one ethernet port 00:51:56 and shared wireless 00:52:07 we have a router in the event box. 00:52:10 box has and i will be packing as well 00:52:13 of course we could also share the ethernet connection with NetworkManager 00:52:46 vwbusguy, the location may not like us running wireless 00:53:03 true, true 00:53:08 oh, and food 00:53:19 they don't like people bringing in food either 00:53:28 there are several eateries within walking distance though 00:53:53 hopefully there is a drink machine close by 00:54:15 ok, we'll put up our own hub+wifi regardless 00:54:21 so we can have fast LAN in the booth 00:54:33 note: I hate wire spaghetti 00:54:38 lol 00:54:38 and i will have my portable mirror 00:54:39 Right -- we had an issue with that last year. We can bring food into our rooms, but not into the Kennedy Room for the FAD. 00:55:07 So I propose we all wear trenchcoats and smuggle the bagles and coffee in. 00:55:32 Also, hardware -- I will be bringing power strips and extension cords so we aren't charged an arm and a leg like we were last year 00:55:54 ok, that's the FAD room discussion ... 00:55:58 are we done with the booth? 00:55:59 lcafiero, at least beer, if we're going to be coding 00:56:13 that works 00:56:23 I'll drive a van to the FAD dinner :) 00:56:38 I'll have my jeep as well 00:56:48 Oh, sorry 00:56:53 not if you are drinking on Friday :) 00:57:04 lcafiero: no worries, I see we might need to move on 00:57:07 so ... 00:57:10 #topic FAD needs 00:57:13 we have a topic 00:57:23 wires and such 00:57:23 * lcafiero has a hard time keeping track of this and working at the same time 00:57:28 lcafiero: aye 00:57:31 lol @ lcafiero 00:57:36 it would help if the topic were actually changed 00:57:52 ah, requires op 00:58:14 ok 00:58:22 well we could have went into meeting-1 00:58:23 yeah, zodbot don't have that 00:58:26 we could 00:58:32 but we're here now :) 00:58:42 so, FAD needs? 00:58:44 yes 00:58:57 food ... last year I did shoppiing before leaving Santa Cruz 00:59:08 and spread it on the table, and promptly got in trouble 00:59:27 but we can't NOT have food for our teams 00:59:37 so if we dispersed food to each person's personal bag 00:59:49 they can't object to "brown bag lunch" 00:59:54 it's not as friendly ... 01:00:08 and try for a clear lunch break out in the world 01:00:25 * quaid has a backpack ... with a big box of coffee in it 01:00:35 coffee is requires 01:00:38 *required 01:00:54 but a definitely lunch time will probably have to be the way to go 01:00:55 #action quaid to shop for food before he leaves hometown 01:01:07 like i said i hope they have a drink machine 01:01:08 #action FAD schedule needs to be created on webpage 01:01:17 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCALE_8x_2010_FAD 01:01:30 I'm going to dump a few things from here there right now 01:02:01 And bring extension cords and power strips (see above) 01:02:04 * lcafiero takes a bow 01:04:09 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCALE_8x_2010_FAD#Schedule 01:04:11 how does that sound 01:04:14 * quaid adds wires and stuff now 01:04:16 The room has wireless and I think it has a projector 01:04:35 yeah, the wireless was weird last year, but it did work for spurts 01:04:44 I'm sure the organizers were aware and will be on that 01:04:56 but that's why having our own network is key so we can work offline 01:04:57 oh! 01:05:01 can anyone bring 01:05:05 a repo of F12 and Rawhide 01:05:24 it needs to be full ideally so we can do spins locally 01:05:26 why rawhide? 01:05:38 quaid, i will have a portable mirror 01:05:42 if rawhide is testable ... 01:05:59 then we can give out USB keys with a live rawhide to test :) 01:06:03 VileGent: thank you 01:06:11 i am not syncing rawhide but i can 01:06:24 #action VileGent will bring the portable mirror of F12 updates, rawhide too if possible 01:07:28 ok, anything more on the FAD? 01:07:42 I can be FAD owner 01:07:57 that is fine with me 01:08:18 * quaid wouldn't shove this one on anyone anyway :) 01:08:25 lol 01:08:32 I'll note the assignments there so we can take turns with "door monitor" 01:09:00 people drop by and need to get acclimated or sorted out; it's disruptive to the getting done of things of the people involved in that are also doing the door 01:09:27 but last year the door was really important, good chance to introduce people to the project, etc. 01:10:27 I can do that, as I did last year. 01:10:44 we can also rotate 01:10:53 OK 01:11:02 let's have you to start then :) 01:11:29 OK, but bear in mind you and I have to go to WIOS at 10:30, I think. 01:11:47 we can see what shows up, if someone shows up needing help with fedora i can help them 01:12:14 lcafiero: oh yeah 01:12:19 I think that's 10 to 10:50 01:12:29 * vwbusguy will be right back 01:12:31 * quaid smacks himself in the head 01:12:40 well, if I can leave the tasks clear enough 01:12:45 stuff can happen without me there :) 01:13:02 I'm going to bump the schedule back a bit 01:13:15 or is it too gross to suggest we start before 9? 01:13:19 Actually, we can get folks started and then turn it over to capable hands . . . . 01:13:24 yes 01:14:21 what is the kennedy room times 01:14:33 I don't think so -- but I'm always up way before 9 01:14:42 * quaid hopes we can get in early even if it means official signing in and such isn't occuring 01:15:04 this year I can leave girls in the hands of Debbie, so I'll have incentive to get up and out early :) 01:15:27 we will see about how jet lagged i am but 9 should be ok 01:15:57 Registration starts at 8, so there's no reason why folks can't go straight up to Kennedy after that. 01:16:15 Let me check with Gareth at #scale 01:16:34 well, I put on an 8:30 start now 01:16:39 and see if that works in real time :) 01:16:54 * herlo notes he will not be in until Friday night and not to count on him... 01:17:01 herlo: we'll miss ya! 01:17:08 herlo: when do you land? 01:17:11 Dang. 01:17:24 quaid: driving 01:17:38 leaving here abt 3pm and getting there about 1-2am 01:17:43 vwbusguy: did you have an ideas of where to eat for dinner on Friday? or where to look for ideas? 01:17:52 herlo: ah! 01:17:57 see you at the pool then 01:18:31 yeah! at 3am :) 01:18:32 that's all the FAD topics I see/think of 01:18:44 * quaid needs his beauty sleep Friday night 01:19:22 quaid: ahh :( 01:19:30 #action vwbusguy to find somewhere for FAD dinner or tell someone else to find somewhere -- before the Friday :) 01:19:36 btw, good luck on your keynote, I'll be there with my heckling bells on 01:19:46 :) 01:19:48 herlo: send an sms to me, I'll have my phone off if I'm asleep :) 01:19:52 sweet! 01:20:14 #topic Sat night events? 01:20:17 quaid: I will do so, but I don't have your phone number anymore, since I changed phones... 01:20:27 is there a birds of a feather type thing or something or should we form a karaoke party or something? 01:20:31 quaid: we should take the kiddos to something 01:20:39 herlo: you have the same phone number? 01:20:47 yeah 01:20:58 and wear them out more :) 01:21:18 * quaid buzzes herlo's phone 01:21:40 beeped, rather :) 01:21:51 legolannd LOL 01:21:54 whatever tickles ya 01:21:58 VileGent: for dinner? 01:22:02 oh Sat! 01:22:03 ooooh 01:22:09 VileGent: how far is legoland? 01:22:23 no idea 01:22:38 quaid: it's a bit of a distance away 01:22:45 Yeah, it's far. 01:22:45 :( 01:23:00 You know, last year the girls couldn't be dragged from the pool 01:23:11 quaid, saturday i am flying out on the redeye 01:23:24 10:55 01:23:41 ok 01:23:45 so i need to go to the airport 830ish 01:24:02 Right -- there should be a shuttle from the hotel. 01:24:03 hi :) 01:24:06 #link 01:24:12 #link http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/special-events/birds-feather 01:24:16 hi tatica 01:24:32 there are rooms available 01:24:38 oh sorry... you're in a meeting 01:24:47 no tatica 01:24:55 we could get one for 8 to 10 01:25:17 stick around tatica. 01:25:34 tatica: technically, yes, but we hijacked the channel, so you are welcome in the social sense, too :) 01:26:08 does anyone want to do something *more* on Saturday? 01:26:15 we could invite people all day on Saturday 01:26:22 I could mention it at the end of the keynote :) 01:26:24 OK, I'm told registration starts at 8 on Friday and we can move into the room at 8:01. 01:26:27 so we might actually get attendees :D 01:26:37 and do a user-/genera-audience focus 01:26:57 lcafiero: ok, I'll be down for breakfast by 7:30 to bum rush the room 01:27:19 #topic Saturday night BoF? 01:27:27 lol 01:27:47 tatica: yeah! zodbot doesn't have ops here, but I bet it shows up in the log output later :D :D 01:28:20 herlo lcafiero VileGent vwbusguy - <3 it? h8 it? 01:28:34 * quaid mixes *icons 01:29:18 love/hate what? 01:29:24 zodbot or BoF? 01:29:26 quaid: Saturday Bof? 01:29:29 yes 01:29:29 Oh 01:29:31 the BoF 01:29:39 all day bof? 01:29:48 Sat 8 pm to 10 pm 01:30:01 #link http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/special-events/birds-feather 01:30:34 Midway or Logan 01:30:41 I vote Logan because then we maybe can get in early 01:31:03 well i dont think i have an opinion on the bof because i will be heading for the airport 01:31:03 Oh, right. Logan would be good. 01:31:11 VileGent: gotcha 01:31:18 VileGent: but it's the last place you'll be for the night 01:31:28 session close at 7 01:31:32 oh, well I'm fine with that time for a bof 01:31:34 so there is tight timing for dinner 01:31:39 we can order in pizza :) 01:31:43 let's do that 01:31:45 and sort out the where-to-eat in real time 01:31:47 kids will love it 01:31:49 If they'll let us. 01:31:49 word! 01:31:55 lcafiero: to our rooms 01:31:59 Oh. 01:32:00 we can do that no matter what 01:32:04 totes 01:32:04 OK! YEAH! 01:32:07 sweet 01:32:09 so if they don't let us on the floor :) 01:32:13 * vwbusguy IS BACK 01:32:17 sorry, caps 01:32:18 or we could eat it at the pool 01:32:20 hey vwbusguy 01:32:37 vwbusguy: open question "do we have a BoF on SAt night from after-7-pm to 10 pm" 01:32:42 there is a room open from 8 to 10 01:32:45 or the pool! 01:32:46 yesr 01:32:49 dud 01:32:51 ok now back to my origional question 01:32:52 dude! 01:32:57 We are near Santa Monica 01:33:02 #idea BoF at the pool 01:33:06 so we could try some night-beach attraction 01:33:11 campfire? 01:33:15 if we can get the wireless router by the window over the pool again ... 01:33:24 quick ?, what's a BoF 01:33:28 birds of a feather 01:33:31 Birds of a Feather 01:33:34 it's a session where people 01:33:39 * lcafiero doesn't type as fast as quaid 01:33:39 who are intersted in $something 01:33:43 come to hear and talk about $something 01:33:55 lcafiero: i skipped the caps key 01:33:59 ah 01:34:07 vwbusguy: common at Linux shows 01:34:12 quaid, as far as dinner, maybe we could also find something in nearby Santa Monia 01:34:15 *Monica 01:34:33 if you look at the sessions for SCALE, you'll see they are topical by free software stuff 01:34:36 * vwbusguy wishes we could find an excuse to go to Santa Monica beach during daylight at some point suring this 01:34:46 vwbusguy: +1 to Santa Monica for Friday dinner 01:35:03 vwbusguy: Sat. morning? 01:35:08 Sunday after event close? 01:35:11 sunday morning? 01:35:13 ugg, define morning 01:35:24 lcafiero: we get to setup booths Friday night? 01:35:25 * vwbusguy is driving from Azusa, and is not a morning person :-) 01:35:48 #link http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/conference-schedule-feb-19-2010 01:36:02 registration Sat is 9 to 10 01:36:03 lcafiero, about what time do you have to get there last Friday? 01:36:05 if we are all set Friday night 01:36:12 then you don't need to show at the hotel until 9:45 01:36:20 Eastern time 01:36:21 :-) 01:36:26 meaning you could head to the beach at 8 and have an hour :) 01:36:37 quaid, lol, you can if you want 01:36:44 quaid, I'll meet u at SCaLE at 9 01:36:48 * quaid lives near the beach 01:36:55 * vwbusguy lives near the mountains 01:37:03 mountains are nice too :) 01:37:17 ok ... 01:37:26 anyone want to be the driver for the BoF? 01:37:45 my Jeep fits 4, depending on how you define "comfortably" 01:37:53 * quaid can do it but doesn't want to take all the fun stuff :) 01:38:14 ah, by driver I mean, person taking responsibility to make it happen 01:38:40 so what all do we do during BoF again? 01:38:42 email gareth@; get flyers done; make up some press release about it for the Fedora Marketing world; make us all blog about it; make sure ... 01:38:46 We had that at OLF last year iirc 01:38:47 vwbusguy: good question 01:39:03 typically ... from my own experience only ... 01:39:21 it's a few people *from* $something, who are talking with anyone interested in $something 01:39:31 vwbusguy, we have a BOF at OLF if we have enough people 01:39:33 it can be a panel format, one person, or a round discussion in the audience seats 01:39:51 so it's going to always have one person who needs the open source definition made for them 01:39:55 a few journalists potentially 01:40:04 round discussion about Fedora seems to be a good topic 01:40:16