16:30:18 <decause> #startmeeting Ambassadors - EMEA - DevConf.cz 16:30:18 <zodbot> Meeting started Sun Feb 7 16:30:18 2016 UTC. The chair is decause. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:30:18 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:30:18 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'ambassadors_-_emea_-_devconf.cz' 16:30:19 <zodbot> fale: In #fedora-meeting is Fedora Docs Weekly Meeting (starting in 21 hours) 16:30:22 <zodbot> fale: In #fedora-meeting-2 is Base Design WG meeting (starting in a day) 16:30:25 <zodbot> fale: In #fedora-meeting-1 is Fedora Release Engineering (starting in a day) 16:30:28 <zodbot> fale: In #fedora-meeting is Fedora QA Meeting (starting in a day) 16:30:32 <decause> #chair JacobCZ 16:30:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: JacobCZ decause 16:30:39 <decause> #chair mattdm 16:30:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: JacobCZ decause mattdm 16:30:45 <decause> #chair sesivany 16:30:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: JacobCZ decause mattdm sesivany 16:31:44 <decause> #topic State of Fedora - mattdm 16:31:57 <decause> #chair decause 16:31:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: JacobCZ decause mattdm sesivany 16:32:00 <decause> #topic State of Fedora - mattdm 16:32:05 <decause> #topic State of Fedor 16:32:15 <decause> this zodbot is old :/ 16:32:30 * decause mattdm is talking 16:32:33 <decause> it is hard to get press 16:32:41 <decause> I did an interview tih italian press 16:32:45 <decause> but it is harder these days 16:32:58 <decause> this dinosaur is here because numbers are hard 16:33:18 <decause> they are more like trends, rather than hard numbers 16:33:34 <decause> when Fedora 15 came out, we had a downward slide, which concerned many people 16:33:44 <decause> we didn't lose all our users or anything, but it wasn't good 16:33:53 <decause> in Fedora 20, we worked for a year to change things 16:33:56 <decause> Fedora.next happened 16:34:04 <decause> and now 21-23, we're back up to where we should be 16:34:30 * decause mattdm shows the spins download slide 16:34:45 <decause> the grey band is the net install of Fedora server, which is a significant block 16:35:04 <decause> KDE is the most popular spin 16:35:20 <decause> the security spin got an uptick at the end, probably because a classroom decided to use it 16:35:37 <decause> architecture slide: 32bit is going down, but steady around 20% 16:35:45 <decause> EPEL slide: it's going up and up 16:36:12 <decause> fedmsg: we looked at bodhi, package updates, and wiki 16:36:15 <decause> there were 2000 active users 16:36:28 <decause> how many edited the wiki int he past year? 16:36:34 * decause about half raise hands 16:36:50 <decause> there is a bubble for ambassadors, and translations, but there is more happening that we have yet to capture 16:36:58 <decause> the top 10% does about 66% of the work 16:37:03 <decause> that is a pretty good number 16:37:18 <decause> if it were 3 people, I'd be concerned, but its 300 16:37:47 <decause> piechart slide: this shows that the top 10%, only 1/3 of them are redhat people 16:37:56 <decause> which is signficant, but we are a community project 16:38:00 <decause> this is not just a red hat project 16:38:09 <decause> this is a healthy mix 16:38:24 <decause> it's not the kernel, or openstack, but we're still healthy 16:38:49 <decause> I am one of the 9% of the people using my non-RHT email to contribute 16:38:59 <decause> Q: how did you find the "sneaky" ones? 16:39:18 <decause> A: I spent plenty of time looking up nicks, and fas accounts of the top 10% 16:39:35 <decause> it would be higher for the top 1%, but it is hard to be at the top top top unless you are doing Fedora Full-time 16:39:39 * decause 2016 16:39:48 <decause> What are we going to do in the future 16:39:57 <decause> 24/25: it is a challenge for the marketing 16:40:09 <decause> becuase we have newer versions of everything 16:40:13 <decause> and squashed bugs 16:40:39 <decause> but the press made a really sarcastic article about it being just apoint release 16:40:43 <decause> we're working on polish 16:40:46 <decause> and in th eworkstation install 16:40:58 <decause> the wayland graphics stack may be there by default 16:41:07 <decause> we'll decide if we want it ot be default 16:41:17 <decause> once we do some decisionmaking next month 16:41:20 <decause> if we think it is ready 16:41:27 <decause> who went to a talk about containers? 16:41:41 <decause> containers are a huge thing 16:41:46 <decause> layered image build service is huge 16:41:48 <decause> we make a docker image 16:41:59 <decause> but we need a service where contributors can build docker images just like rpms 16:42:08 <decause> docker images are just a delivery format for software 16:42:23 <decause> making iteasy to contribute should be vailable in 24, shippped in 25 16:42:40 <decause> in workstation, it will tell you in the software center that the new version of the OS is available! 16:43:08 <decause> if people keep talking about the rolling-release of arch, you can say you get to decide when to hit the upgrade button in a 6 month window 16:43:20 * JacobCZ shows photo from the Brno market with a crate of chilli peppers 16:43:27 <decause> one of the htings we're never done well is making marketing a cycle 16:43:34 <decause> it is more than just a press release and swa distribution 16:43:52 <decause> it is about going out and finding users, and people with problems w'ere not solving, and brinign their feedback to the project 16:44:07 <decause> "popele are struggling with X when trying to migrate form Mac" 16:44:24 <decause> getting messaging out to the amabassadors 16:44:32 <decause> when people say things to you, we want to listen 16:44:37 <decause> in particular this year 16:44:46 <decause> Fedora workstation is targeting developers 16:44:59 <decause> the marketing idea is "if you target everyone, you can't sovle all the problems" 16:45:08 <decause> devs will only solve their favorite problems, rather than user problems 16:45:13 <decause> we've seen that in GNOME, is fair to say 16:45:25 <decause> we picked developers, because we're trying to get specific feedback 16:45:29 <decause> and solve specific problems 16:45:35 <decause> we need to talk more to workstation 16:45:41 <decause> but we want to target python devs specifically 16:45:47 <decause> going to python conferences 16:45:48 <decause> and meetups 16:46:07 <decause> and getting specific "moving the needle" on a metric 16:46:11 <decause> we can show progress 16:46:18 <decause> then we go to Red hat and say "look what we did" 16:46:27 <decause> imagine what we could do with a bigger mandate 16:46:40 <decause> once Python devs start talking about Fedora, then we can make case for other devs 16:46:57 <rsc> decause is talking about the university outreach 16:47:12 <rsc> There are 3 people working full-time at university outreach 16:48:07 <rsc> We figured out that Nicaragua is not in Europe ;-) 16:48:48 <Caterpillar> ? 16:49:10 <decause> :P 16:49:10 <JacobCZ> "We are american but we still know that Nicarague is not in Europe" 16:49:20 <rsc> decause: sorry, you are talking to fast for me to transcript... 16:49:24 <decause> rsc: no worries 16:49:25 <decause> :) 16:49:32 <decause> we plan from right to left 16:49:42 <Caterpillar> is there a streaming? 16:49:55 <decause> we start with outcomes, and then do acitivities that reatch outcomes, and then what resources we have that feed into activities 16:50:09 <decause> if we can prove we are "moving the needle" then we can make the case for more support for universities 16:50:15 * decause Fedora Hubs 16:50:36 <decause> Fedora hubs is basically--i've been ehre for awhile, and if you go to the Fedora website, ti looks like nothing is happening 16:50:42 <decause> you go the wiki, and it looks kinda dead too 16:50:53 <decause> but relaly, there are like 2000 people doing crazy amounts of work 16:50:57 <decause> 3 IRC meetings a day 16:51:00 <decause> thousands of emails 16:51:05 <decause> but that is buried from the modern internet 16:51:24 <decause> so, bringing more light to that activity 16:51:32 <decause> this is the design hub 16:51:39 <decause> you can see the mockup 16:53:16 <decause> #help anyone who can write a plug-in for mediawiki that visually degrades a page as the time goes by when no one writes 16:53:25 <JacobCZ> http://projectatomic.io 16:53:26 * decause project atomic 16:53:30 <decause> JacobCZ: #link 16:53:42 <decause> #link http://projectatomic.io 16:53:42 <JacobCZ> #link http://projectatomic.io 16:53:46 <decause> JacobCZ++ 16:53:47 <decause> :) 16:53:49 <JacobCZ> :) 16:53:57 <decause> this is about running applications in containers 16:54:13 <decause> Fedora is cool, it was the ideal OS, but hte design is dated 16:54:29 <decause> all the "cool kids" are using things like RancherOS, where docker is part of the init system 16:54:41 <decause> we don't want to break fedora, but we want to realign to the container based OS 16:54:53 <decause> we need to make sure that Fedora can be like this, in the next 3 years 16:55:11 <decause> we'll still need the "legacy" approach, of putting together the OS from rpms 16:55:26 * JacobCZ shows a bunch of lego bricks 16:55:27 * decause lego slide 16:55:39 <decause> the problem: There was all this software, but it was raw 16:55:41 <decause> like raw plastic 16:55:51 <decause> and we started making a distro, which is like making th epellets into bricks 16:55:59 <decause> and then people can put the bricks toether to build things 16:56:00 <decause> now 16:56:07 <decause> we need to give poeple fully-assembled lego sets 16:56:15 <decause> rather than just giving updates 16:56:17 <decause> like security 16:56:29 <decause> we've tested the update, but we didn't test it with all the other combination bricks 16:56:47 <decause> if we have modules, we can make sure the set will still work, even if we change the one brick 16:56:50 <JacobCZ> "lego is awesome" 16:56:55 <decause> we need to be able to delvier fedora in a assembled form 16:57:01 <decause> this is the year when people start to demo these things 16:57:13 <decause> we want to show this type of stuff for Fedora25 16:57:17 <JacobCZ> Any questions? 16:57:18 * decause Fedora25 16:57:51 <decause> Q: Where did you get the "Fedora loves Python" image? 16:57:59 <decause> A: From you churchyard! 16:58:06 <decause> A: I will go back and give you credit :P 16:58:10 <decause> any other questions? 16:58:28 <decause> Q: do we still want to do the tradtional linux events? 16:58:59 <decause> A: You would know better than me. If we're able to convert people, then yes. I go to LinuxCOn, and it is cool for me in NA, and it is nice that we let people know we still exist 16:59:22 <decause> but people who go to conferences, they have a favorite distro, or they are distro-hoppers, and not going to commit anyways 16:59:31 <decause> when I was at LISA, I thought it was valuable 16:59:42 <decause> I had a webbrowser with cockpit, and that was very effective 17:00:14 <decause> it may be valuable for us to go to the places that don't cost lots of money, then yeah 17:00:24 <decause> sesivany: going to events where we can meet new people 17:00:31 <decause> I've been pushing that for 2 years 17:00:34 <decause> makerfairs, stuff like that 17:01:02 * JacobCZ Any questions from you IRC folks? 17:01:25 <rsc> decause mentions that Linux events are still popular depending on the region, eg latin america. 17:01:58 <decause> in the end, we didn't have lots of people who were comfortable going to non-traditional linux events 17:02:16 <decause> sesivany: we don't want to dissappear from traditional events, but they are not as successful 17:02:42 <decause> sesivany: the bottleneck is th people. if we have a list of events, that helps, but we need the people too 17:03:15 <decause> Q: we're not talking about not just getting new users/contributors, but also, we give a lot of support for existing users, who struggle with things like anaconda installer 17:03:21 <decause> it was hard for users to understand 17:03:37 <decause> at one event, we did anaconda support pretty much the whole time 17:03:51 <decause> A: was it thousands of people? or 30? 17:04:14 <decause> Q: it was thousands at the evnet, but we were helping over 30 people. Users are still wondering how to connect to fedora. 17:04:43 <decause> if they are experiencing bugs, it is not clear how to talk to Fedora. We ahve to point them towards the bug trackers, or mailing lists 17:05:05 <decause> mattdm: it'd be good to know how much of your time/mresources you spend doing that kind of support 17:05:20 <decause> mattdm: I wasn't having that experience much in NA, unless it was a pet bug. 17:05:29 <decause> churchyard: yeah, I can back that up 17:05:37 * JacobCZ Any questions from you IRC folks? 17:05:46 <decause> mattdm: as long as it doesn't cost $5K to help 30 people. 17:06:20 <decause> Q: i've sent mail to ambassador list, but it is mostly targeting "startup" people. In Dubai, Dublin, Tel Aviv. 17:06:40 <decause> I'm not so sure it would be helpful for this kind of event, at least not for the organizations there 17:06:48 <decause> I didn't recieve any responses 17:06:58 <decause> the deadline for the first 4 vents in 2016, was the first of this month 17:07:08 <decause> but, the deadlines have shifted 17:07:22 <decause> we have some time before the deadline closes 17:07:49 <decause> I asked on the mailing list, and I'm avialable to go to those events, but I'm not sure which points to high-light 17:07:54 <decause> what should we focus on? 17:08:11 <decause> ambassadors are told to go to places, but not given Agenda 17:08:29 <decause> that is where marketing needs to step in 17:08:45 * JacobCZ "Startup people are crazy" ;) 17:09:41 <decause> if we're going to focus on python, then we need talking points specific to python 17:10:01 <decause> mattdm is about to leave 17:10:15 <decause> mattdm: thank you all for all you do. I hope to see you folks in Krakow 17:10:26 <decause> The audio is ok, the video is not so good 17:11:41 <decause> sesivany: I propose we go through the list of events we've done this year, and get high-level plans 17:11:57 <decause> sesivany: finding things like python events, and getting value? 17:12:16 <decause> giannisk: let's start with some icebreaking 17:12:30 <decause> mitzie: I'm Zacharias, and I'm treasurer for EMEA 17:12:39 <decause> jonatoni: I'm the ambassador from albania 17:12:52 <decause> noriko: I'm not an ambassador, I'm from the localization team 17:13:01 <decause> the l10n team needs help from ambassadors 17:13:17 <decause> mirslav: local CZ ambasador, trying to help as muc as possible 17:13:41 <b10n1k> can the camera show the people who introduce themselves? 17:13:43 <decause> churchyard: I'm miro, and if you don't know me, I'm from Prague, python guy, and I work remote for Red hat on Python 17:13:59 <robyduck> rather difficult to follow without looking at the stream, but I'll try to be here on IRC ;) 17:14:05 <robyduck> b10n1k: +1 17:14:06 <decause> I'm Jiri, sesivany, nad I'm ambassador. I still handle swag and production for Emea. used to be FAMSCO chair 17:14:26 <decause> I'm JacobCZ, and I'm not an abmassador yet, but I'dl ike to become one. 17:14:37 <decause> I'm ambassador fro CZ, and pretty new, and thi sis my first event 17:15:55 <decause> robert: ambassador from germany 17:16:04 <decause> I'm mentoring new mabassaors 17:16:10 <decause> it hasn't been very active, but it will change 17:16:17 <decause> fale: I'm Fabio, ambassador from Italy 17:16:20 <decause> packager 17:16:22 <decause> ambassador 17:16:33 <decause> admin for Fedora.it community 17:16:56 <JacobCZ> Little addition, my real name is Jakub, probably wasn't caught... 17:17:10 <decause> sesivany: perhaps we can discuss the campus strategy? 17:17:14 <rsc> Robert is rsc on IRC (just to add) 17:17:16 <decause> I was busy with other htings 17:17:42 <decause> sesivany: my idea back then was that the whole thing would be tied to ambassadors, and we had hudnreds of pople around the world, and 2/3rds are active maybe? 17:18:07 <decause> sesivany: instead of doing something completely new, we should use this network 17:18:20 <decause> 1 thing I was thinking: We have a structure based on agents 17:18:40 <decause> you are at a university, and you wanna get some help, you can get the list of ambassadors for the country, not the EDU. 17:19:02 <decause> Germany: We have a mail-list, but it is not by country too 17:19:29 <decause> sesivany: I'd like a parallel structure, where we ahve students/teachers at EDU, and staff, so we can have astructure where we have ambassadors who are associated 17:19:35 <decause> if you are here, you can add that 17:19:43 <decause> "I"m in brno, I'm here, I can help you." 17:19:49 <decause> it is one thing 17:19:52 <decause> another thing 17:20:00 <decause> 2) those people should get involved with the EDU 17:20:22 <decause> there shold be a, for example, if they want to use it in the class, with help of docuemntation, they can use it. 17:20:33 <decause> deploying Fedora in university infrastructure 17:20:42 <decause> currently, we have nothing like that 17:21:03 <decause> if someone comes to us, and asks "i'm interested in Fedora, I'd like to use it in my classroom. How can I do it?" 17:21:09 <decause> we can start from scratch, but we don't have that. 17:21:21 <decause> mattdm mentioned a good exmaple of rht/fedora working with EDU 17:21:53 <decause> the most successful things here, is that we go to the onboarding events. we always attend "basics of programming" which is all new students in their first semester 17:22:00 <decause> we're stitching ourselves to these courses 17:22:09 <decause> we can do that 17:22:17 <decause> and the freshmen are told to do their projets on linux 17:22:36 <decause> if you leave them to their own, they would find their way to Ubuntu 17:22:50 <decause> they'd go for it for no particular reason 17:22:59 <decause> if you present Fedora, then Fedora becomes their #1 choice 17:23:08 <decause> we've done that 2-3 times in the last couple of years 17:23:13 <decause> and the turnout was amazing 17:23:23 <decause> we introduced 500-600 studnts to Fedora 17:23:36 <decause> don't know how many installed, but anecdotes, suggests it was high 17:23:57 <decause> if you have like, 150-200 students, they don't have to switch to Fedora completely, they can use a VM, and tha tis a huge success. 17:24:01 <decause> this hsould be on the agenda 17:24:06 <decause> that isn't the only way 17:24:13 <decause> the teacher being linux postive 17:24:35 <decause> ideal scenario, but targeting the onboarding weeks at EDU, and new, and willing ot try new things, that is very efficient 17:25:00 <decause> cz: every student in my class tried it in my class. we had a presentation talking about linux, and it was in the top list (fedora) 17:25:04 <decause> alot of them are still using it 17:25:17 <decause> ideally, they should see this 17:25:24 <decause> how many people are still students 17:25:28 <decause> *8 hands* 17:25:33 <decause> see, we should take advantage of that 17:25:41 <decause> sesivany: that is the beginning of that 17:32:22 <decause> Germany: aside from Open Source, we ahve the Fedora Electronic Lab 17:32:29 <decause> we have the astromy spin 17:32:32 <decause> and a music spin 17:32:35 <decause> used at EDU's 17:32:44 <decause> less on Open Sourc aspect, more on the Feature aspect 17:33:03 <decause> giannis: is FEL still mainatained? 17:33:41 <robyduck> FEL has not been released since 2 years, but should be built for F24 again 17:33:55 <decause> giannisk: we collect names from Fedora people who are part of EDU's, and we collect contact info for Faculty, then we can start by doing events, and Open Days on campus. 17:35:08 <robyduck> Jam also has not been buit for F23 17:42:51 <decause> noriko: I'm not sure, but for the xample, a couple years ago, I ran a sprint, and 20-30 translators, and we had 6 people in the Osaka office. The topic was to increase number of translators 17:42:58 <decause> they tended to work at small companies 17:43:14 <decause> we wanted to figure out how to get more univeristy contirbutors, and get young people to translate 17:43:30 <decause> they have time, and they have the chance to grab those poeple 17:43:39 <decause> you can join and contribute, not just be a user 17:43:53 <decause> you can contribute with the localization team even if you are not technical 17:44:07 <decause> I talked to the japan ambassador, and we started to connect the teams, but it didn't happen yet 17:44:20 <decause> the ambassador was working by himself, and the localization worked separately 17:44:34 <decause> I'd like to connect to the local area, and the ambassadors can help us 17:45:00 <decause> when i talk to poeple in Osaka, who is a GNOME translator 17:45:16 <decause> 1 tshirt will be able to get people to join 17:45:28 <decause> #info we need more tshirts in APAC (noriko) 17:45:39 <decause> #info we need more marketing materials (sesivany) 17:46:15 <decause> sesivany: it is done regionally 17:46:33 <decause> translation coordinators cannot run the sprint 17:46:57 <fale> decause: What I think we need is to create a template to create a translation sprint 17:47:33 <decause> #info we need a template for a translation sprint (noriko) 17:47:43 <fale> decause: translation is very good because it has a very low ingress barrier and can be a good place to start to collaborate with the community 17:47:48 <decause> fale++ 17:47:49 <zodbot> decause: Karma for fale changed to 5 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:48:03 <fale> decause++ :) 17:48:03 <zodbot> fale: Karma for decause changed to 19 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:48:29 <decause> #info we need basic info for translation coordinators for Hubs (decause) 17:49:02 <decause> #info we need template for a "lightning talk" to give in a classroom (called "class rap" in NA) 17:49:10 <decause> #topic Events 17:49:25 <decause> mitzie is going to show the events list now 17:49:43 <decause> sesivany: events are still the core of our regional activity 17:49:58 <decause> some of the events don't happen in the end, sometimes we pick up new ones as they come 17:50:06 <decause> ti changes, but we need to have a structure and plan 17:50:09 <decause> esp for swag 17:50:41 <decause> let's go through all the events, and decide to organize for them or not 17:51:17 * decause sesivany shows the list of events 17:52:13 <decause> 3Dexpo 17:52:48 <decause> python events should be a priority, but the maker events are still good 17:53:06 <decause> makers want to make 17:53:25 <decause> #info we need Fedora on the raspberry pi 17:56:12 <decause> sesivany: call to order, makers are a good audience, and we need to support it better 17:56:26 <decause> PyCon italy didn' happen 17:56:43 <decause> fale: we had a problem in mabassador groups, we had too few to go to the event 17:56:50 <decause> we had organizational issue 17:57:39 <decause> PyCon.cz is about a month from now 17:57:50 <decause> if there is a PyCon in your country, we need to def support it 17:57:59 <JacobCZ> #link https://cz.pycon.org/2015/ 17:58:27 <decause> sesivany: we need to close the gap on python 17:58:33 <decause> not all ambassadors know about python 17:58:37 * JacobCZ (there is no info about 2016 on the site yet) 17:58:41 <decause> we have IDe's, but I don't think there is enough 17:58:54 <decause> #info we need python-specific talking points 17:59:22 <fale> decause: really fast, we can mention the python3 porting that Fedora is doing and the vFAD about this 17:59:44 <JacobCZ> #link https://pycon.sk/en/ 17:59:50 * JacobCZ PyCon.sk comming soon as well 17:59:56 <fale> decause: Fedora is good to write python code, but also Fedora is very good with the upstream Python community 18:00:17 <fale> decause: this is a good story, but we need a template, and talking points 18:01:56 <fale> decause: getting the list of all python events in the region is very important 18:02:25 <decause> #info we need to get a list of all the python conferences and events (decause) 18:03:19 <cprofitt> some comments -- sorry if I am intruding in the middle 18:03:32 <decause> cprofitt: yo're good. Are you watching the feed? 18:03:33 <JacobCZ> #link http://oscal.openlabs.cc/ 18:04:11 <cprofitt> decause: do not forget about K-12 while focusing on EDU. It is not only about University level students. 18:04:22 <decause> cprofitt: nod nod nod 18:04:23 <cprofitt> I am not on the feed, just reading backlog 18:04:49 * danofsatx is reading backlog, opening feed now 18:04:58 <cprofitt> If you get kids on Linux (Fedora) before college/university they will use it and put pressure on the post-secondary education environent to use it. 18:04:58 <decause> #info we need speakers for OSCAL (jonatoni) 18:05:05 * JacobCZ OSCAL May 14-15, 2016 @ Tirana, Albania 18:05:42 <cprofitt> Also, in the US the state of computer science education is poor. The K-12 space needs help developing curriculum and I would prefer it not be dominate by Apple or Microsoft. 18:05:52 <decause> cprofitt: there is a video/audio link 18:05:54 <cprofitt> excelent opportunity to get in on the ground floor. 18:05:57 <decause> we should try to send it to you 18:06:28 <cprofitt> anyone have a link to the feed? 18:06:39 <danofsatx> https://plus.google.com/events/cdhkl7ebk17l8ihk5poi1ndr0as 18:07:13 <cprofitt> danke 18:07:17 * danofsatx can't hear it though. Stupid laptop. 18:08:01 <decause> #info find a security speaker for OSCAL (decause) 18:08:17 <decause> #info find a security speaker for OSCAL - cfp deadline march 1st (decause) 18:09:34 <JacobCZ> #link http://playit.hu/ 18:09:49 * JacobCZ A gaming event in Budapest, the Ambassadors showed Steam on Fedora 18:10:31 <cprofitt> I like his T-shirt -- have to get one of those. :-) 18:10:38 <danofsatx> me too ;) 18:11:14 <cprofitt> depends on the type of games you are making. 18:11:39 <danofsatx> I am attempting to teach my (7 y.o.) son game development on Fedora. 18:12:07 <cprofitt> HumbleBundle - Fedora Edition? 18:12:22 <JacobCZ> now that sound like an interesting idea 18:12:28 <fale> danofsatx: Rgeri77 18:12:36 <fale> decause: Rgeri77 18:12:46 <decause> #info gregary (hungarian ambassador) is the person to talk to about gaming in Fedora (rgeri77) 18:13:25 <decause> cprofitt: :) 18:14:23 <danofsatx> I say "attempting" because I'm not a developer myself. 18:14:31 <decause> danofsatx: :) 18:14:49 <danofsatx> but, we're starting with Python. 18:14:56 <cprofitt> decause: ask anyone there if they would like to be intereviewed for How Do You Fedora.... I will send them the questions. It would be good to get some focus on the ambassadors in the area. 18:15:15 <decause> cprofitt: good idea 18:16:41 <JacobCZ> #link http://barcampblackpool.com/ 18:16:44 <decause> cprofitt: link to articles? 18:16:49 <decause> that will help 18:16:54 * JacobCZ barcamp Blackpool should happen. The website is outdated 18:17:12 * JacobCZ in 2nd Quarter 18:17:13 <danofsatx> tangent question - Is OSCON a big enough conference that we could do something like this for FAmNA? 18:17:20 <cprofitt> link: https://fedoramagazine.org/sylvia-sanchez-fedora/ 18:17:29 <decause> danofsatx: OSCON is one of the ones that we are going to focus less on 18:17:35 <cprofitt> danofsatx: yes, OSCON is huge. 18:17:37 <danofsatx> roger 18:17:39 <decause> danofsatx: it is *extremely* expensive 18:17:50 <cprofitt> I submitted a paper, but did not get any response... and yes, it is expensive. 18:17:53 <danofsatx> I meant hold a planning meeting, not neccessarily support 18:17:55 <decause> cprofitt: it is the biggest, but the return for the amount of dollars is very small 18:18:15 <cprofitt> might be possible to do an unconference nearby, but the cost to be at the conference is prohibitive. 18:18:15 <decause> doing a "BoF" or something that doesn't require us to pay for a table would be great 18:18:36 <decause> cprofitt: the Community Leadership Summit is a free one the day before 18:18:41 <decause> def worth going to if we can 18:18:50 <decause> but I am not sure if even i will be goin to OSCON this time around 18:19:08 <decause> I only went last year because I was on the EDU Track selection committee, and I don't hink I'm on it this time around 18:19:10 <danofsatx> heh...and I am - it's right up I-35 ;) 18:19:59 <decause> danofsatx: I'm not saying dont' attend--absolutely do--but I don't think we (OSAS) are going to pay the tens-of-thousands of dollars to get a community table there again this year 18:20:09 <danofsatx> understood 18:20:16 <decause> we'd rather reroute that budget into local meetups, hackathons, or other events 18:21:03 <JacobCZ> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/flock-2016-krakow-poland/ 18:21:24 * JacobCZ Flock August 2-5 2016 @ Kraków, Poland 18:21:37 <cprofitt> decause: want to affirm the need for Fedora to have an up-to-date Rasp PI image. 18:21:37 <danofsatx> but, with the geographical dispersion and the cost of travel, it might be better to do a FAmNA planning session through a hangout, complete with screen/slide sharing (by decause, of course ;) ) 18:22:05 <JacobCZ> #note we need sponsors for Flock 18:22:30 <danofsatx> The Linux Foundation? 18:23:25 <JacobCZ> #note we could use some media sponsors like technology magazines 18:24:15 <danofsatx> heh. how 'bout Canonical? 18:24:18 <JacobCZ> We could get someone from Microsoft to have a talk about Azure, .NET etc. 18:24:56 * JacobCZ "We could say we are sucking money from Microsoft to make Fedora" ;) 18:25:29 <JacobCZ> Microsoft might be interested in having a talk about Fedora in Azure 18:26:30 <JacobCZ> Book a bus, go from one end of the state/country to the other and pick up people on the way... 18:26:51 <danofsatx> https://twitter.com/OpenAtMicrosoft 18:28:05 <danofsatx> how many NA ambassadors do we have, 20? 18:28:13 <JacobCZ> There should absolutely be a bus from Brno to Kraków, because noone is going to fly there... 18:28:36 <decause> #info more info on getting ground travel to Krakow for ambassadors (decause) 18:29:09 <JacobCZ> #note Tourbus goes from Brno to Kraków 18:29:18 <danofsatx> link to trac you're displaying? 18:30:13 <JacobCZ> link: http://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/463 18:30:55 <JacobCZ> (requires FAS login) 18:32:22 <JacobCZ> If you need larger budget, you should announce it in advance 18:32:44 <JacobCZ> Do not approve your own tickets 18:33:00 <danofsatx> got it, thanks JacobCZ 18:33:07 <JacobCZ> danofsatx: NP 18:33:43 <decause> #info we should file a ticket in FAmSco to require peer-review for budget tickets (cannot approve your own tickets) 18:34:15 <JacobCZ> The PyCon.cz was really cheap 18:34:44 <JacobCZ> PyCon.sk will be more than $300 18:35:40 <JacobCZ> (changed to $400) 18:36:31 <decause> cprofitt: yes, affirmed, high-priority for Rpi image (v2 compatible) 18:37:02 <decause> cprofitt: secondary architecture folks did some work during FOSDEM/DevConf (probinson is the upstream dev at RHT) 18:37:20 <JacobCZ> The LinuxCon Europe was relatively expensive, but the audience is really important 18:37:55 <JacobCZ> This year will be cheaper. It's in Berlin. 18:38:22 <JacobCZ> #link http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-europe 18:38:38 <JacobCZ> We should spend a bit more money to make a separate Fedora Day there 18:39:43 <decause> JacobCZ: if it is a meetup, there /could/ be some OSAS funding I can propose to send with enough notice 18:39:59 <decause> OSAS wants to support BoF/meetups that go on before/after the big expensive events 18:40:14 <decause> (*before is better too, because people are usually burnt out after) 18:40:29 <danofsatx> tanslation for BoF, please? I've not seen that one yet 18:40:55 <decause> #info BoF = Birds of a Feather session. usually an informal meetup for a special interest group 18:40:59 * danofsatx is stuck on BofH 18:41:09 <danofsatx> oh, ok...makes sense 18:41:17 <decause> danofsatx: I proposed a BoF for Fedora Friends at Red Hat Summit, for example 18:41:21 <JacobCZ> #link http://www.t-dose.org/ 18:41:29 <decause> danofsatx++ 18:41:32 <decause> good question though 18:41:32 * JacobCZ (confirmed Dutch) 18:42:37 <JacobCZ> There is probably a fake Ambassador who claims to go to every event but never shows up 18:43:51 <danofsatx> I still have sound on the stream 18:43:56 <danofsatx> I can hear it fine 18:44:28 <JacobCZ> it is probably an issue on the user's side... 18:44:29 <danofsatx> live stream is fine, maybe the hangout itself is wonky 18:44:42 * danofsatx assumed it was a hangout being streamed 18:45:04 <JacobCZ> Will FSCON have the same budget ($1300)? Probably yes. 18:45:22 <JacobCZ> OSOL was cancelled this year 18:45:54 <JacobCZ> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSOL_Conference_Szeged 18:46:40 <JacobCZ> Fosscomm had booth with about 8 greek fedorians. Should happen again this year 18:47:00 <JacobCZ> Budget should be kept at $500 18:47:29 <JacobCZ> PyCON.cz will not have free blue lemonade this year 18:47:37 <danofsatx> :( 18:47:45 <JacobCZ> the idea might be repeated sometimes, but won't be put in the budget this year 18:48:48 <danofsatx> I'm assuming what's displayed now is a Google Sheet. Can we get a view access link to that? 18:49:01 <decause> danofsatx: yeah, it's google, don't have the link though 18:49:05 <decause> someone else? 18:49:52 <JacobCZ> FAD Singapore. Not sure why it's covered by EMEA 18:49:58 <jflory7> Caterpillar: https://plus.google.com/events/cdhkl7ebk17l8ihk5poi1ndr0as 18:50:17 <jflory7> danofsatx: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IAt2udlv-gwTjUYfhqvNOnwL_1FH_NC4AhobdFH1tNU/edit?usp=sharing 18:50:20 <JacobCZ> http://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/656 18:50:30 <decause> didn't realize you were here to jflory7 :) 18:50:57 <jflory7> decause: Kind of sort of, was listening in stream since you guys started but audio started to degrade for me, so I'm just watching IRC for now :) 18:51:05 <decause> jflory7: nod nod nod 18:51:07 * jflory7 is still reading scrollback, about halfway down page 18:51:23 <JacobCZ> The FUDcon request is not very transparent. Ticket approved by self 18:51:36 <Caterpillar> I want that shirt 18:51:42 <Caterpillar> thx jflory7 18:51:51 <decause> we have an #info item to file a ticket on famsco 18:51:52 <jflory7> Caterpillar++ no problem :) 18:53:04 <JacobCZ> Visa requests should be made more in advance, because the visa request takes some time to process 18:53:32 <JacobCZ> Someone from kosovo could not arrive because of the visa 18:54:27 <JacobCZ> #note peer-ticket-approval ticket should be filed 18:54:43 <decause> JacobCZ: the command is #info 18:54:49 <JacobCZ> oh, okay 18:54:52 <decause> JacobCZ++ 18:55:00 <JacobCZ> #info peer-ticket-approval ticket should be filed 18:55:13 * danofsatx really sat down to do homework, not eavesdrop on an EMEA planning meeting 18:55:18 <decause> :P 18:55:25 <jacobcz> decause: seems not to work with uppercase username 18:55:49 <decause> jacobcz++ 18:56:01 <decause> jacobcz: the reason it doesn't work may be because you are not registered in FAS? 18:56:14 <jacobcz> decause: I am, with jacobcz username 18:56:20 <decause> jacobcz++ 18:56:26 <decause> maybe you already got a cookie from me? 18:56:35 <decause> .fasinfo jacobcz 18:56:36 <zodbot> decause: User: jacobcz, Name: Jakub Sycha, email: jakubsycha@gmail.com, Creation: 2016-02-07, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 18:56:39 <zodbot> decause: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca 18:56:50 <jacobcz> oh, I don't have IRC nick set 18:56:53 <decause> jacobcz: you don't have an IRC nick 18:56:54 <decause> yeah 18:57:32 <JacobCZ> .fasinfo jacobcz 18:57:33 <zodbot> JacobCZ: User: jacobcz, Name: Jakub Sycha, email: jakubsycha@gmail.com, Creation: 2016-02-07, IRC Nick: JacobCZ, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 18:57:36 <zodbot> JacobCZ: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca 18:57:40 <JacobCZ> decause: should work now 18:57:56 <jflory7> JacobCZ++ Best of luck in becoming an Ambassador :) 18:58:09 <JacobCZ> jflory7: thanks :) 18:59:12 <JacobCZ> "The fedora badge should be more general, like getting a badge for starting fedroa for the first time" 18:59:17 <JacobCZ> *badges 18:59:56 <decause> JacobCZ++ 19:00:03 <decause> jacobcz++ 19:00:12 <decause> probabaly takes an hour to proc 19:00:18 <JacobCZ> oh, okay 19:00:27 <danofsatx> 15 mins '_ 19:00:40 <danofsatx> er, ;) even - it's a 15 minute cron job 19:01:34 <JacobCZ> "Marketing is extremely expensive" 19:01:41 <danofsatx> no shit 19:01:49 <decause> :P 19:01:50 * danofsatx shuts up 19:01:54 <JacobCZ> lol 19:03:29 <JacobCZ> cz needs more PyCon stickers ;) 19:04:49 <JacobCZ> DevConf budget being discussed 19:05:12 <JacobCZ> We do not need to invest in DevConf. This meetup might have cost some money though 19:06:10 <JacobCZ> We should make a list of pycons in europe 19:06:24 <netSys_phone> Good afternoon from Spain 19:06:27 <decause> #info make a list of python conferences 19:06:30 <decause> netSys_phone: welcome! 19:06:40 <netSys_phone> !fas netSys 19:06:42 <decause> someone have link for hangout? 19:07:08 <JacobCZ> https://plus.google.com/events/cdhkl7ebk17l8ihk5poi1ndr0as 19:09:42 <netSys_phone> Im phone 19:09:44 <JacobCZ> There should be an event in October in (romania?) with approx. >100 attendees 19:09:45 <danofsatx> decause: do you have op priveleges for this chan? can you put hangout link in topic? 19:09:52 <decause> danofsatx: I don't 19:10:05 <decause> :/ 19:10:06 <danofsatx> wait, this is a meeting - set the meeting topic ;) 19:10:14 <jflory7> .fas netSys 19:10:14 <zodbot> jflory7: drnetsys 'Donnie Roberson' <droberson@drnetworksystems.com> - netsysdeb 'Debashis' <debashis@mail.org> - netsys 'Alvaro Castillo' <midgoon@gmail.com> 19:10:23 <decause> danofsatx: zodbot is too old 19:10:28 <netSys_phone> I'm third 19:10:33 <decause> #topic Change me plz 19:10:37 <decause> see? 19:10:39 <jflory7> netsys++ welcome! 19:10:39 <zodbot> jflory7: Karma for netsys changed to 1 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:10:49 * jflory7 is caught up now 19:10:49 <netSys_phone> Thanks! :-D 19:10:51 <JacobCZ> We should not allocate budget to event we don't have really planned out 19:11:21 <jflory7> +1 to the entire earlier discussion of Campus Ambassadors... this is actually a very hot topic in FAmNA recently too. /me is sad he missed that part of the discussion 19:11:37 <jflory7> I think there is a major urgency for cross-region collaboration on this 19:12:03 <jflory7> FAmNA is looking to try to make an impact as early as March 4 - 5 at a university hackathon event 19:12:52 <JacobCZ> OSCon is extremely expensive. We should instead allocate the budget to meetups in that area 19:13:29 <JacobCZ> It is a commercial event 19:13:30 <jflory7> ^ this is info that should definitely be relayed to FAmNA too -- I think there is a miscommunication going on about OSCON and how much Fedora will be participating 19:13:45 <danofsatx> Ruth's ticket said table price had increased to $7,500 for OSCON Austin. 19:13:49 <jflory7> FAmNA just set an event owner and is beginning planning for this now 19:14:00 <JacobCZ> #info OSCON should be relayed to FAmNA 19:14:10 <jflory7> danofsatx: Yeah -- my concern is maybe the status on OSCON could have changed since Ruth filed the ticket 19:14:33 <jflory7> She filed it in December and was hoping to get an answer then, but we only just came to a decisive conclusion at our last meeting 19:14:47 <jflory7> I can foresee a lot of frustration if that info is not communicated ASAP 19:14:51 <JacobCZ> God, even the ticket is over $1000 19:15:11 <decause> JacobCZ: yes, very expensive 19:15:14 <cprofitt> jflory7: I will be attedning that... univeristy event. 19:15:22 <jflory7> cprofitt++ :) 19:15:25 <danofsatx> #info https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/119 19:15:30 <netSys_phone> 7,5k of money wtf 19:15:40 <jflory7> Maybe if we're lucky, we might even be able to gain decause... ;) 19:16:19 <netSys_phone> Maybe ... If all goes to The Vegas. Maybe win 7,5k 19:16:33 <decause> jflory7: I /think/ I'm judging brickhack 19:16:37 <decause> I was invited to 19:16:40 <decause> last I remember ;) 19:16:43 <jflory7> decause++ decause++ 19:16:54 <JacobCZ> shipping budget was underspent 19:17:11 <decause> #action jflory7 confrim with wilfriedE decause is still invited to judge brickhack 19:17:12 <jflory7> decause: I should get some time to talk to you about that later -- we could use you as a mentor for BrickHack, we got a pretty *sweet* deal on that. Fedora is sponsoring the entire open source category 19:17:23 <JacobCZ> there's $5k still available for swag 19:17:27 <netSys_phone> Can Fedora not get crowfounding for its events more than 1k USD? 19:17:28 <decause> jflory7: way solid 19:17:30 <jflory7> Could use some higher-level strategic planning too 19:17:40 <JacobCZ> and can't be transferred to the next quarter 19:17:43 <jflory7> Good opportunity for Fedora to have increased outreach with 500+ uni studenyts 19:17:46 <jflory7> * students 19:17:49 <cprofitt> decause: I will be willing to travel to events as a speaker, but worry about funding (kids are like locusts and eat lots of money via groceries) 19:17:51 <decause> jflory7: if there are org meetings, lemme know when, and I'll do a video conf with you 19:18:00 <decause> make them later int he evening and I'll be more likely to attend 19:18:09 * kk4ewt is doing a installfest with a uni lug next sunday 19:18:21 <decause> kk4ewt: nice! 19:18:21 <JacobCZ> kk4ewt++ 19:18:37 <cprofitt> kk4ewt: cool... let me know how that goes -- install fests around here have had low turnout because it has become so easy to install Linux. 19:18:42 <kk4ewt> we do one every fall and winter semesters 19:19:15 <JacobCZ> we might get some free stickers 19:19:22 <kk4ewt> cprofitt, get fujisu, hp and dell and lenovo each has its own issues 19:20:29 <decause> #action decause update the commblog stickers article and include the trademark approval process 19:21:01 <cprofitt> kk4ewt: I am running on Dell XPS13, Lenovo T530, X1 Carbon 2015 and others. 19:21:11 <jflory7> decause: Solid, trying to iron out details on budgeting with spot / award3535 for BrickHack. Hopefully we can get to some strategic planning on that soon, hoping to do that next FAmNA meeting, or at least finding people to help with that planning 19:21:47 <JacobCZ> "You should make a trademark request if you want to get a Fedora tattoo" ;) 19:22:17 <cprofitt> I just want that blue Fedora t-shirt... I have an old white one, but the blue looks nice. 19:22:30 <kk4ewt> cprofitt, ask nb for one 19:22:59 <kk4ewt> myself i like the splash one better 19:23:08 <JacobCZ> #info we need a ticket for swag artwork 19:23:18 <cprofitt> ooh, splash on... got a picture? 19:23:29 <cprofitt> nb: how do I get a sweet Fedora t-shirt? 19:23:50 <kk4ewt> @saylucky cprofitt fedoraproject.org "splash tshirt" 19:23:57 <JacobCZ> cprofitt: you can always print it yourself :P 19:23:57 <decause> cprofitt: coolstuff store? 19:24:36 <decause> #link https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com//ProductList.aspx?did=20588 19:24:40 <danofsatx> I can get one, give me a few minutes 19:24:59 <cprofitt> cool, thanks for the link decause 19:25:03 <kk4ewt> splatter 19:25:04 <kk4ewt> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Fedora_Splatter 19:25:11 <decause> cprofitt: the shirt is not as cool there though ;) 19:25:13 <JacobCZ> decause: does that #link thing actually do something, like log the link or something? 19:25:18 <jflory7> JacobCZ: Indeed 19:25:23 <decause> JacobCZ: yes 19:25:25 <jflory7> It will highlight the URL in the meetbot logs later 19:25:32 <jflory7> s/logs/minutes 19:25:39 <JacobCZ> OK 19:26:28 <cprofitt> I like this shirt design... https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com/ProductDetail.aspx?did=17200&pid=163848 19:26:37 <cprofitt> would be cool to see that in a Fedora branded item 19:27:38 * jflory7 would love to get something Fedora-branded that could keep him warm this winter... 19:28:27 <JacobCZ> jflory7: https://redhat.corpmerchandise.com//ProductDetail.aspx?did=20588&pid=151400 (fill with hot water) :P 19:29:11 <jflory7> JacobCZ: Heheh. Not bad idea. 19:29:14 <jflory7> Or coffee! 19:29:16 <jflory7> mmmm 19:29:25 <kk4ewt> but it gets to cool to quick 19:29:27 <JacobCZ> jflory7: it's plastic tho, so DISCLAIMER: might melt 19:29:31 <cprofitt> someday when I grow up I can work for Redhat. 19:29:49 <kk4ewt> and for your FYI 19:29:49 <jflory7> JacobCZ: It's BPA-free, might be okay. At least I won't die by drinking plastics :P 19:29:57 <kk4ewt> F23-20160202 updated live isos are available at http://tinyurl.com/Live-respins 19:29:59 <jflory7> cprofitt: :) 19:30:01 <jflory7> kk4ewt++ 19:30:36 <kk4ewt> new set most likely this week as well (4.3.5 is pending push to stable) 19:31:02 <decause> kk4ewt: good to know 19:32:19 <JacobCZ> there are a few countries without ambassadors 19:32:51 <JacobCZ> We could try to use GnuCash to attract smaller businesses... 19:33:10 <JacobCZ> It's only designed for US accounting system though. 19:33:26 <danofsatx> GnuCash desparately needs a UI makeover. 19:33:46 <JacobCZ> danofsatx: absolutel 19:33:48 <decause> #info there is no GNUCash for EU nations! 19:33:50 <decause> TIL 19:35:01 <rsc> The issue with GnuCash is that the EU tax laws are not really covered, so you can not rely just on GnuCash as a business guy running your own business. 19:35:07 <JacobCZ> Static budget site will be published this year 19:35:17 <danofsatx> kmymoney supports EU contries, and looks a *lot* better than GNUCash 19:35:31 <JacobCZ> EMEAs budget should be used as a template 19:35:36 <danofsatx> http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/ 19:35:52 <rsc> danofsatx: that's right, but unfortunately it still does not cover various situations :-( 19:36:23 <danofsatx> granted, I haven't put it through it's paces yet, so that's good to know. 19:36:25 <danofsatx> rsc++ 19:36:29 <zodbot> danofsatx: Karma for robert changed to 3 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:37:37 <danofsatx> sorry for the delay, I was having technical difficulties. Here's the pic, cprofitt: http://i.imgur.com/bElQ95n.jpg 19:37:57 <JacobCZ> danofsatx++ 19:38:14 <jflory7> danofsatx++ Where can I find one of these?! :P 19:38:34 <danofsatx> they shrink, though...I need to give that one to my daughter (in which case, she'll have two) 19:38:57 <jflory7> decause: [14:31:15] <nirik> likely topic doesn't work because topic lock mode (+t) is set and zodbot is not opped 19:38:57 <danofsatx> It was one of the last ~7 that masta had at TXLF 2015. 19:39:20 <jflory7> +t is set here 19:40:00 <danofsatx> well, we have a channel op present now - kk4ewt, care to fix it for us (temporarily)? 19:41:54 <JacobCZ> EMEA Community booth equipment 19:41:54 <decause> #help decause needs help building the http://budget.fedoraproject.org static website 19:42:09 <decause> #action decause file ticket with websites trac and infra trac? 19:42:16 <JacobCZ> decause: i might help with the website 19:42:23 <decause> JacobCZ: that would be great 19:42:26 <decause> JacobCZ++ 19:42:48 <JacobCZ> decause: i'm actually a web designer ;) 19:42:54 <decause> JacobCZ: :) :) :) 19:42:59 <danofsatx> JacobCZ++ 19:43:07 <decause> JacobCZ: you should join the websites mailing list also then :) 19:43:28 <JacobCZ> decause: I haven't joined any lists yet actually, but I will 19:43:38 * danofsatx needs to close this stream and get to work. 19:43:50 <jflory7> jacobcz++ 19:43:59 <danofsatx> I expect a full recap later, jflory7, decause ;) 19:44:07 <jflory7> danofsatx: Acknowledged :) 19:44:28 <JacobCZ> decause: can i get a link to the website list please? 19:44:51 <jflory7> JacobCZ: Definitely check out the Fedora Websites team if you have some web design skills. Also, I'm a bit biased on this one, but Fedora CommOps is a fantastic sub-project of Fedora that could use some new contributors. :) 19:44:54 * jflory7 can grab the links 19:45:11 <jflory7> JacobCZ: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites 19:45:36 <jflory7> JacobCZ: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join 19:45:45 <jflory7> JacobCZ: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps 19:45:51 <jflory7> Check those out if you have a moment :) 19:45:58 * jflory7 realizes CommOps needs a join series... 19:46:16 <danofsatx> didn't we discuss that already? 19:46:19 <JacobCZ> jflory7++ 19:46:20 <jflory7> #action jflory7 File a CommOps ticket for creating a Join series of pages on the wiki 19:46:35 <jflory7> danofsatx: Err, which part? 19:47:01 <JacobCZ> decause: i've just subscribed to the websites list 19:47:30 <danofsatx> the join commops 19:47:54 <jflory7> danofsatx: Not that I recall, but I may have missed the discussion 19:48:20 <danofsatx> hmmm.... k. 19:48:26 <decause> #link http://www.unixstickers.com/fedora 19:48:29 <decause> new swag vendor 19:48:57 <JacobCZ> decause: awesome 19:49:25 <JacobCZ> lol 19:49:29 <decause> excellent! 19:49:36 <kk4ewt> sorry chanserv wont let me 19:49:37 <decause> #topic Swag 19:49:39 <danofsatx> decause: can we start a thing in FAS, that when a new user registers and inputs their address they get shipped a sticker(s)? 19:49:40 <decause> nope 19:49:42 <decause> :P 19:49:46 <JacobCZ> kk4ewt: use chanserv to do it 19:49:47 <jflory7> kk4ewt: Maybe temporarily opping zodbot? 19:50:45 <danofsatx> 'twas simply an idea. carry on ;) 19:51:06 <JacobCZ> see you later.... 19:51:16 <kk4ewt> now try decause 19:51:31 <decause> #topic end of meeting 19:51:32 <decause> nice 19:51:40 <decause> just in time ;) 19:51:49 <jflory7> kk4ewt++ 19:51:50 <decause> #endmeeting