15:00:51 <jsmith> #startmeeting Fedora ARM meeting
15:00:51 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec  8 15:00:51 2011 UTC.  The chair is jsmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:01:00 <jsmith> #chair jonmasters
15:01:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: jonmasters jsmith
15:01:08 <jonmasters> Morning everyone. So far, it's Peter and myself on the phone. For those who want to dial in, I sent information out about that yesterday.
15:01:11 <jsmith> #meetingname fedora_arm
15:01:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_arm'
15:01:25 <dgilmore> buenos dias amigos
15:01:30 <jsmith> #topic Dial in now!  Oh, and a quick role call for those on IRC
15:01:43 * pbrobinson is here and on conf call
15:01:51 * djdelorie is here and on call
15:01:52 * jsmith is dialing in now
15:02:01 <jonmasters> jsmith: I believe then we use POUND_topic to set topics. And POUND_resolved to resolve things...anything else I need to know?
15:02:07 * ctyler is here
15:02:16 * jbastian is here
15:02:20 * blc is here
15:02:23 * Frojoe is here
15:02:29 <jsmith> jonmasters: POUND agreed, POUND info, etc.
15:02:35 * bconoboy is also here
15:02:36 <jonmasters> jsmith: ok
15:02:44 <pbrobinson> jsmith: does that work for all or just chairs
15:04:03 <jsmith> pbrobinson: Just chairs
15:04:05 <jsmith> #chair pbrobinson
15:04:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: jonmasters jsmith pbrobinson
15:04:12 <jsmith> #chair ctyler
15:04:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: ctyler jonmasters jsmith pbrobinson
15:04:17 <jsmith> #chair dgilmore
15:04:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: ctyler dgilmore jonmasters jsmith pbrobinson
15:04:30 <pbrobinson> #info 0 - Package build status
15:04:37 * ctyler and Jordan (froejoe) are here
15:04:41 <jsmith> pbrobinson: Actually, let's make that a topic
15:04:58 <jsmith> (once everyone that can joins the call)
15:05:03 <pbrobinson> is that pound topic then?
15:05:20 <jsmith> pbrobinson: Yeah... I'm happy to kick them off as an example
15:05:26 <pbrobinson> #topic 0 - Package build status
15:05:29 <jsmith> #topic Item 0 - Package build status
15:05:34 <jonmasters> #topic Agenda is posted to mailing list
15:05:57 <jsmith> #undo
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15:06:02 <jsmith> #info Agenda is posted to mailing list
15:07:05 <ctyler> Status page for F15 builds: http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/~jchiappetta/stats.html
15:07:15 <fossjon_class> hello all
15:07:53 <jonmasters> core-utils, gettext, gcc, ecj
15:08:11 <jsmith> pbrobinson is listing coreutils, findutils, gettext, gcc, ecj as missing packages
15:08:36 <djdelorie> I've been putting 6G swap, which allows two 3G max-sized procs plus overhead
15:08:49 <djdelorie> at least, when a swap disk is available ;-)
15:11:24 <jsmith> Two relevant emails are Peter's email from Monday (upgrading builders)
15:11:31 <ctyler> Let's get archive URLs for those mails...
15:11:39 <jsmith> and jsmith's email that hasn't hit the list yet :-(
15:11:52 <pbrobinson> koji builder email: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/arm/2011-December/002307.html
15:13:08 <jsmith> My email https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/arm/2011-December/002326.html
15:13:31 <jsmith> #info Two relevant emails are http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/arm/2011-December/002307.html and https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/arm/2011-December/002326.html
15:14:56 <ctyler> Anthony Boccia joining call here.
15:15:28 <jonmasters> dgilmore, ctyler: so, a heavy builder channel needs to be setup. Who is doing that?
15:15:34 <jsmith> Peter can update the "heavier" builder at laptop.org
15:15:55 <jonmasters> #info "heavy builder channel" can be established, swap increased on builders (to at least 2GB total)
15:16:28 <jsmith> #info dgilmore and ctyler discussing whether to move off of NFS temporarily and build from SD cards
15:19:06 <jsmith> #info possibility of getting builders upgraded to f15 base, and consistent versions across them
15:19:38 <jsmith> Consistent versions of mock too, please :-)
15:20:42 <jonmasters> #info Dennis summarizing his experiences making a hardfp F15 image
15:20:45 <jsmith> #info dgilmore working on f15 builder images,
15:21:10 * fossjon_meeting appreciates the info updates :)
15:21:31 <jsmith> fossjon_meeting: We're doing our best to keep the IRC channel updated with the voice conversations
15:21:50 <fossjon_meeting> thanks muchly jsmith !
15:22:20 <jsmith> #info dgilmore fairly confident that he'll have f15 builder images soon -- and they'll be in much better shape than what we've been building on
15:24:01 <jsmith> #topic Item 1: Items that require attention
15:24:16 <jsmith> #info coreutils, findutils, gettext are critical
15:24:24 <jsmith> #info gcc useful, but not absolutely necessary at this point
15:24:40 <jsmith> #topic Item 2: Acceptable criteria
15:24:48 <jsmith> #info What are we targeting at this point?
15:25:10 <jsmith> pbrobinson will jump on rawhide once we have an f15 buildroot
15:25:41 <jsmith> #info gcc + coreutils + findutils + gettext are blocking pbrobinson from concentrating on rawhide
15:26:21 <jsmith> #action pbrobinson to email the list with his rawhide plans
15:29:32 <jonmasters> #action plan is to build enough for "an Xfce desktop" and release that for F15
15:30:03 <djdelorie> we already have people using Gnome on F15/arm though... if we don't rebuild everything in stage4/moji, we should keep those around as backup repos for the F15 users
15:34:00 <jsmith> #info we need some sort of criteria for users until we have f17 out
15:34:28 <jsmith> #info raspberry pi will be shipping, and users will be encouraged to use Fedora as the base of that system
15:34:45 <jsmith> #info so minimal install set + XFCE is our target
15:34:55 <pbrobinson> #info I will for demo purposes at least build the sugar desktop too for the XO
15:35:41 <jsmith> #undo
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15:35:58 <jsmith> #action pbrobinson will for demo purposes at least build the sugar desktop too for the XO
15:36:14 <jsmith> #topic Item 3: Rawhide!
15:36:28 <jsmith> #info pbrobinson had to leave the meeting -- fire alarm
15:36:58 <jsmith> ctyler thinks we need to be through the f15 stuff and onto rawhide by the first week of January
15:37:32 <jsmith> dgilmore suggests that we start rawhide building before Christmas
15:41:30 <jsmith> #info pbrobinson to build the buildroot in the order he determined for f14, to minimize unneeded rebuilds
15:41:57 <jsmith> #info pbrobinson to then kick off shadow times 1000
15:42:17 <jsmith> #info After that, it won't take that much to get building rawhide doing mass building
15:43:25 <fossjon_meeting> we have too many fedora versions needed to be built vs how many builders we have
15:43:29 <fossjon_meeting> f14/f15/future...
15:43:51 <fossjon_meeting> :/
15:44:02 <fossjon_meeting> its going to take time, thats all
15:44:10 <fossjon_meeting> esp with slow gurus and efikas
15:44:13 <jonmasters> fossjon_meeting: we will though have more hardware in Feb/Mar to relieve load
15:44:23 <jsmith> #info F17 branch from rawhide happens February 7th
15:44:25 <fossjon_meeting> ahhh alright then
15:44:40 <jsmith> Can/should we assign different weights to F17/rawhide builds vs F15 builds vs F14 builds?
15:44:57 <jsmith> #topic Item 4: Buildsystem improvements
15:45:10 <fossjon_meeting> jsmith: well i feel like the older versions should get priority if they need to be built otherwise we will get back logged moving forward possibly
15:45:16 <fossjon_meeting> without newer/faster hardware
15:45:39 <fossjon_meeting> :)
15:45:42 <fossjon_meeting> just my opinion
15:47:38 <jsmith> #info discussion regarding getting consistent version of mock on all builders (1.1.18?)
15:48:24 <jsmith> #action dgilmore to email the list with the kernel config needed for proper pty handling
15:48:53 <jsmith> #info dgilmore has been working on kirkwood kernel
15:50:35 <jonmasters> jsmith: are we wanting to track these Koji issues on the wiki or by regular list mail? I'm wondering if both is best.
15:50:49 <jsmith> jonmasters: Both :-)
15:51:12 <jsmith> #info dgilmore hoping to have work done by end of tomorrow
15:52:12 <jonmasters> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/F15_Koji_build
15:52:23 <jonmasters> ^^^ can we get this updated with the Koji package status?
15:52:55 <fossjon_meeting> for which version of fedora and what kind of pkg info?
15:52:57 <jonmasters> fossjon_meeting, jsmith, pbrobinson: Can you collectively ensure that wiki page has a summary of failing builds?
15:53:09 <jsmith> jonmasters: Sure, I'll work on that this afternoon
15:53:17 <jonmasters> fossjon_class: for v5/v7 for F15 in Koji
15:53:44 <fossjon_meeting> ok
15:54:22 <jsmith> #topic Item 5: Any other business
15:54:56 <jsmith> #info discussing whether or not to keep having a weekly meeting
15:55:17 <jsmith> #agreed Keep the meeting, let's keep this time slot through early January, and then readdress the time
16:00:29 <fossjon_meeting> :)
16:02:01 <jsmith> #endmeeting