22:05:23 <Lurimax> #startmeeting
22:05:23 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Aug 13 22:05:23 2012 UTC.  The chair is Lurimax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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22:05:33 <Lurimax> all present say aye
22:05:35 <Lurimax> aye
22:05:38 <imalone> aye
22:05:38 <bsjones> aye
22:05:48 <bsjones> heya imalone
22:05:54 <Lurimax> #topic recap
22:06:04 <Lurimax> it's been a while since the last meeting
22:06:05 <imalone> hi
22:06:57 <Lurimax> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-audio/2012-07-23/fedora-audio.2012-07-23-22.07.html
22:07:36 <Lurimax> only one action item
22:08:05 <Lurimax> bsjones: any news on the /dev/snd/seq bug?
22:08:29 <bsjones> Orcan raised one against either udev or alsa
22:08:36 <bsjones> no progress as yet
22:08:41 <bsjones> see if I can find it
22:08:45 <Lurimax> so it's upstream now?
22:08:52 <bsjones> he is on hols at the moment
22:08:56 <bsjones> no still Fedora
22:09:26 <Lurimax> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=827655
22:10:10 <bsjones> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=843666
22:10:14 <bsjones> its a new one
22:10:22 <bsjones> its on the FedoraAudio tracker though
22:10:37 <bsjones> alsa-lib
22:10:43 <Lurimax> zodbot: bug 843666
22:10:46 <zodbot> Lurimax: Bug 843666 Need user access to /dev/snd/seq - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=843666
22:11:28 <Lurimax> guess we just have to be patient for now
22:11:29 <bsjones> just dropped a ping comment in there
22:12:09 <Lurimax> we'll come back to it later then if there is any respone
22:12:27 <Lurimax> any commnets/question about the last meeting?
22:12:55 <bsjones> I'm good
22:13:22 <imalone> no
22:13:39 <Lurimax> #topic Spin status
22:14:11 * bsjones just pushed an update to the kickstart
22:14:12 <Lurimax> #info No spins compose against F18/rawhide yet
22:14:22 <Lurimax> this includes ours
22:14:31 <bsjones> not much we can do about it
22:14:47 <bsjones> happens everytime boost gets a bump
22:14:56 <Lurimax> nope. The best date estimate i have heard is "before alpha"
22:15:26 <Lurimax> yeah. Boost should be fixed any day now though
22:15:42 <Lurimax> not sure if there are any questions here?
22:16:01 <bsjones> nope
22:16:32 <Lurimax> #info we have to be patient and hope it's ready for the test day
22:16:46 <Lurimax> #topic themeing
22:17:01 <Lurimax> what is it we want people to contribute for themeing?
22:17:24 <bsjones> well, opinions mostly
22:17:46 <bsjones> we could use a standard theme (like Oxygen) and copy it just replacing the wallpaper with our own
22:17:52 <Lurimax> just not sure what to write in an email to the list
22:18:46 <Lurimax> 'so just ask what themes people like?
22:18:58 <Lurimax> and ask for background suggestions?
22:19:08 <bsjones> well I've put a source tree up on git that people can modify to create there own theme if they are interested
22:19:20 <bsjones> (this is in addition to the backgrounds)
22:19:32 <bsjones> like the icons in the KDE start  up etc etc
22:19:44 <bsjones> we can ovveride all of them if need be, different splash etc
22:20:05 <Lurimax> ok. shuld i just say that it's there, or should i add some instructions on how to do it?
22:20:39 <bsjones> #link http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/music-creation.git/tree/fedora-jam-kde-theme/src
22:20:57 <bsjones> copy the directory, make changes to the file run make && make install
22:21:20 <Lurimax> k. I'll send out the email tomorrow morning
22:22:01 <Lurimax> #help We need themeing ideas
22:22:20 <Lurimax> #topic test day 23.08
22:22:55 <Lurimax> It's only a week and 2 days away
22:23:16 <Lurimax> is there any point to do it if we can only compose against f17?
22:23:28 <bsjones> well hopefully the rawhide composes will be done by then :P
22:23:34 <bsjones> nope
22:24:00 <Lurimax> it's only 5 days from alha, so it should be ready
22:24:34 <bsjones> there will be other (informal) testing sas the spins should be composed nightly up until release
22:24:38 <bsjones> so I'm not too worried
22:24:48 <bsjones> *as
22:25:24 <bsjones> we don't have a great deal of customization at the moment so most bugs we experience will probably affect the parent KDE spin as well
22:25:30 <Lurimax> hopefully we are accepted in by then. My compose machine started behaving like a drunk
22:25:39 <Lurimax> yeah
22:26:39 <Lurimax> so should we go ahead and spread the word everywhere and cross our fingers
22:29:01 <Lurimax> *?
22:30:12 <bsjones> So yeah if the composes are ready we should send announcements to the linux-audio lists etc
22:30:25 <Lurimax> *if*
22:31:09 <Lurimax> Maybe i'm just beeing a little pesemistic, but at the momet, it's looking a little gray if it will be composing
22:31:44 <bsjones> it will be fine
22:31:52 <Lurimax> ok. Let's fo this
22:31:59 <Lurimax> inform *all* the people
22:32:15 <bsjones> we can always rais ebugs against the packages that need rebuilding although they should be getting notifications
22:33:14 <Lurimax> i believe they are
22:33:45 <bsjones> what's next?
22:33:58 <Lurimax> #link #topic open floor
22:34:06 <bsjones> back to theming?
22:34:16 <Lurimax> #topic open floor
22:34:26 <Lurimax> there was more?
22:35:05 <bsjones> I think we should consider panel layout, maybe an extra panel with links to the most common programs etc
22:35:27 <bsjones> all of this the non-techy people should be able to contribute so we just need to keep pestering them
22:35:41 <Lurimax> yeah, i'll add it to the email
22:36:06 <Lurimax> i don't really know much about KDE, and won't be using it so it's hard for me to find what works best
22:36:18 <bsjones> send through screenshots of there system etc - I think we should start talking about this now, so that people new to Fedora see something different
22:36:50 <bsjones> coz at the moment, all we got is a default KDE install with a few extra packages which is kind of boring
22:37:05 <Lurimax> yeah. I tried asking for screenshot once. Nothing happened. I'll try again though
22:37:27 <Lurimax> I agree, we definatly need a theme/somethig extra
22:37:47 <bsjones> here's one from that interview
22:37:53 <bsjones> #link http://www.muktware.com/sites/default/files/images/applications/fedora-linux-audio.jpg
22:38:01 <Lurimax> #help Please, please, please: we need help with themeing
22:38:03 <bsjones> just for ideas
22:38:31 <Lurimax> where is this from?
22:38:33 <bsjones> I ALWAY use an extra panel for my audio apps
22:38:37 <bsjones> *ALWAYS
22:38:43 <bsjones> from my desktop
22:38:48 <Lurimax> ahh
22:38:58 <Lurimax> what theme is that?
22:39:10 <Lurimax> i like the black
22:39:14 <bsjones> I think its ksStudio mixed with some other stuff
22:39:21 <bsjones> It was just for the interview
22:39:30 <bsjones> In actuial fact I found it too dark
22:39:53 <Lurimax> guess it's my inner emo that likes it :P
22:40:07 <bsjones> ha ha
22:40:10 <Lurimax> but i'll ask the list for help/idea suggestions
22:40:24 <bsjones> There was too much tweasking in firefox to get white backgrounds in text boxes etc
22:40:37 <Lurimax> ahhh
22:40:40 <bsjones> can't stand white on black input elements
22:41:07 <Lurimax> guess to each his own :P
22:41:18 <bsjones> the Stylish plugin is good for that stuff though
22:41:30 <Lurimax> never tried it
22:41:39 <bsjones> which is not really a feasible hack for a spin I think
22:42:12 <Lurimax> is stylish a KDE thing?
22:42:34 <bsjones> Firefox plugin whcih just lets you overwrite CSS
22:42:53 <Lurimax> ahh yes, i might have tried that once
22:43:06 <bsjones> so if your them is giving you white on black bg input boxes you can override it
22:43:09 <Lurimax> no, i can see how that wouldn't be feasable for a spin
22:44:51 <Lurimax> so is that it fot the meeting?
22:45:37 <bsjones> well can you tell me what else you think we need to complete ?
22:45:45 <bsjones> any more packages coming?
22:46:16 <imalone> Is the audio control application still happening?
22:46:27 <Lurimax> I'm going to look at the non packaged tomorrow. Still struggeling with the package i'm supposed to port from planetCCRMA
22:46:32 <bsjones> I will review all of the CCRMA's ports from the wishlist
22:46:59 <bsjones> send me a link to your spec
22:47:06 <Lurimax> imalone: yes, i'm working on it and trying to have it finished by the end of the week
22:47:11 <Lurimax> will do
22:47:15 <imalone> Nice.
22:47:29 <bsjones> Lurimax, perhaps imalone can try it out?
22:47:38 <Lurimax> bsjones: did you have time to look at todays git commit?
22:47:49 <bsjones> not yet, will tomorrow
22:48:08 <Lurimax> it's a little tacky. I'm not good with gui stuff
22:48:09 <imalone> Was thinking that myself, though can't do it next weekend.
22:48:18 <bsjones> I'll do a pull now and have a quick look at the diff ...
22:48:39 <Lurimax> no worries. i won't be touching it until tomorrow anyway
22:49:12 <Lurimax> but since this is my last week of GSoC, i want it to be ready by next monday
22:49:16 <bsjones> the list would be very interested to contribute ui suggestions etc
22:49:49 <Lurimax> I have to start documenting all the small scripts i have made too, so that they are ready for a potential review
22:50:23 <Lurimax> I'll finish up what i have planned tomorrow, and then submit the git url to the list, then people can have alook and see what they think would look better
22:51:40 <Lurimax> but what do you think i should have ready by next Monday to be able to pass? one ported package, the audio control app and plenty of documentation on everything?
22:51:48 <bsjones> You will definetly need to get that up for review before the deadline
22:52:06 <bsjones> I would have like to have seen more packages up for review to be honest
22:52:13 <bsjones> mainly from CCRMA
22:52:33 <bsjones> They don't have to be passed by the deadline
22:52:38 <Lurimax> k
22:53:04 <Lurimax> I'll hopefully finish up the one i'm working on now tomorrow or on wednesday
22:53:44 <bsjones> I'll get you passed the ecasound one tomorrow
22:54:03 <Lurimax> k
22:54:21 <Lurimax> there was a lot of wierd stuff in that spec file
22:54:46 <bsjones> the thing with ecasound is that Nama requires it I think
22:54:53 <bsjones> and its very useful for blind people
22:55:31 <Lurimax> nice
22:55:58 <bsjones> imalone, is there anywhere that you'd like to contribute?
22:56:19 <bsjones> you were doing your own packaging there for a bit IIRC
22:56:57 <imalone> Probably wont have a massive amount of time, can do some testing. The plug package is pretty much ready, just wasn't keen on being a maintainer for one package.
22:57:49 <bsjones> there's only really two audio package maintainers at the moment so we can always use help
22:58:02 <bsjones> and ORcan wants to remove himself a bit
22:58:51 <Lurimax> I'll be continuing to package stuff after GSoC, so i'll be helping a little
22:59:15 <bsjones> cool
23:00:08 <Lurimax> t's going to be a heavy week. School start  this week too.
23:00:16 <bsjones> imalone, I think Brian Monroe was looking for something to package, perhaps he could pick up the fender plug stuff
23:00:32 <Lurimax> but i guess that how programming is. always a lot to do the last week :p
23:00:58 <bsjones> yeah, like my boss schedules a demo next week with a month of work still to go
23:01:10 <bsjones> not much sleep this week
23:01:27 <bsjones> this stuff is always good for a diversion ;)
23:01:28 <Lurimax> how we love CS work :P
23:01:32 <Lurimax> hehe
23:01:32 <imalone> I saw that, though I thought he needed to do one from scratch.
23:01:50 <Lurimax> but i think we can call the meeting finished
23:01:55 <Lurimax> #endmeeting