22:05:23 #startmeeting 22:05:23 Meeting started Mon Aug 13 22:05:23 2012 UTC. The chair is Lurimax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:05:23 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:05:33 all present say aye 22:05:35 aye 22:05:38 aye 22:05:38 aye 22:05:48 heya imalone 22:05:54 #topic recap 22:06:04 it's been a while since the last meeting 22:06:05 hi 22:06:57 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-audio/2012-07-23/fedora-audio.2012-07-23-22.07.html 22:07:36 only one action item 22:08:05 bsjones: any news on the /dev/snd/seq bug? 22:08:29 Orcan raised one against either udev or alsa 22:08:36 no progress as yet 22:08:41 see if I can find it 22:08:45 so it's upstream now? 22:08:52 he is on hols at the moment 22:08:56 no still Fedora 22:09:26 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=827655 22:10:10 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=843666 22:10:14 its a new one 22:10:22 its on the FedoraAudio tracker though 22:10:37 alsa-lib 22:10:43 zodbot: bug 843666 22:10:46 Lurimax: Bug 843666 Need user access to /dev/snd/seq - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=843666 22:11:28 guess we just have to be patient for now 22:11:29 just dropped a ping comment in there 22:12:09 we'll come back to it later then if there is any respone 22:12:27 any commnets/question about the last meeting? 22:12:55 I'm good 22:13:22 no 22:13:39 #topic Spin status 22:14:11 * bsjones just pushed an update to the kickstart 22:14:12 #info No spins compose against F18/rawhide yet 22:14:22 this includes ours 22:14:31 not much we can do about it 22:14:47 happens everytime boost gets a bump 22:14:56 nope. The best date estimate i have heard is "before alpha" 22:15:26 yeah. Boost should be fixed any day now though 22:15:42 not sure if there are any questions here? 22:16:01 nope 22:16:32 #info we have to be patient and hope it's ready for the test day 22:16:46 #topic themeing 22:17:01 what is it we want people to contribute for themeing? 22:17:24 well, opinions mostly 22:17:46 we could use a standard theme (like Oxygen) and copy it just replacing the wallpaper with our own 22:17:52 just not sure what to write in an email to the list 22:18:46 'so just ask what themes people like? 22:18:58 and ask for background suggestions? 22:19:08 well I've put a source tree up on git that people can modify to create there own theme if they are interested 22:19:20 (this is in addition to the backgrounds) 22:19:32 like the icons in the KDE start up etc etc 22:19:44 we can ovveride all of them if need be, different splash etc 22:20:05 ok. shuld i just say that it's there, or should i add some instructions on how to do it? 22:20:39 #link http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/music-creation.git/tree/fedora-jam-kde-theme/src 22:20:57 copy the directory, make changes to the file run make && make install 22:21:20 k. I'll send out the email tomorrow morning 22:22:01 #help We need themeing ideas 22:22:20 #topic test day 23.08 22:22:55 It's only a week and 2 days away 22:23:16 is there any point to do it if we can only compose against f17? 22:23:28 well hopefully the rawhide composes will be done by then :P 22:23:34 nope 22:24:00 it's only 5 days from alha, so it should be ready 22:24:34 there will be other (informal) testing sas the spins should be composed nightly up until release 22:24:38 so I'm not too worried 22:24:48 *as 22:25:24 we don't have a great deal of customization at the moment so most bugs we experience will probably affect the parent KDE spin as well 22:25:30 hopefully we are accepted in by then. My compose machine started behaving like a drunk 22:25:39 yeah 22:26:39 so should we go ahead and spread the word everywhere and cross our fingers 22:29:01 *? 22:30:12 So yeah if the composes are ready we should send announcements to the linux-audio lists etc 22:30:25 *if* 22:31:09 Maybe i'm just beeing a little pesemistic, but at the momet, it's looking a little gray if it will be composing 22:31:44 it will be fine 22:31:52 ok. Let's fo this 22:31:59 inform *all* the people 22:32:15 we can always rais ebugs against the packages that need rebuilding although they should be getting notifications 22:33:14 i believe they are 22:33:45 what's next? 22:33:58 #link #topic open floor 22:34:06 back to theming? 22:34:16 #topic open floor 22:34:26 there was more? 22:35:05 I think we should consider panel layout, maybe an extra panel with links to the most common programs etc 22:35:27 all of this the non-techy people should be able to contribute so we just need to keep pestering them 22:35:41 yeah, i'll add it to the email 22:36:06 i don't really know much about KDE, and won't be using it so it's hard for me to find what works best 22:36:18 send through screenshots of there system etc - I think we should start talking about this now, so that people new to Fedora see something different 22:36:50 coz at the moment, all we got is a default KDE install with a few extra packages which is kind of boring 22:37:05 yeah. I tried asking for screenshot once. Nothing happened. I'll try again though 22:37:27 I agree, we definatly need a theme/somethig extra 22:37:47 here's one from that interview 22:37:53 #link http://www.muktware.com/sites/default/files/images/applications/fedora-linux-audio.jpg 22:38:01 #help Please, please, please: we need help with themeing 22:38:03 just for ideas 22:38:31 where is this from? 22:38:33 I ALWAY use an extra panel for my audio apps 22:38:37 *ALWAYS 22:38:43 from my desktop 22:38:48 ahh 22:38:58 what theme is that? 22:39:10 i like the black 22:39:14 I think its ksStudio mixed with some other stuff 22:39:21 It was just for the interview 22:39:30 In actuial fact I found it too dark 22:39:53 guess it's my inner emo that likes it :P 22:40:07 ha ha 22:40:10 but i'll ask the list for help/idea suggestions 22:40:24 There was too much tweasking in firefox to get white backgrounds in text boxes etc 22:40:37 ahhh 22:40:40 can't stand white on black input elements 22:41:07 guess to each his own :P 22:41:18 the Stylish plugin is good for that stuff though 22:41:30 never tried it 22:41:39 which is not really a feasible hack for a spin I think 22:42:12 is stylish a KDE thing? 22:42:34 Firefox plugin whcih just lets you overwrite CSS 22:42:53 ahh yes, i might have tried that once 22:43:06 so if your them is giving you white on black bg input boxes you can override it 22:43:09 no, i can see how that wouldn't be feasable for a spin 22:44:51 so is that it fot the meeting? 22:45:37 well can you tell me what else you think we need to complete ? 22:45:45 any more packages coming? 22:46:16 Is the audio control application still happening? 22:46:27 I'm going to look at the non packaged tomorrow. Still struggeling with the package i'm supposed to port from planetCCRMA 22:46:32 I will review all of the CCRMA's ports from the wishlist 22:46:59 send me a link to your spec 22:47:06 imalone: yes, i'm working on it and trying to have it finished by the end of the week 22:47:11 will do 22:47:15 Nice. 22:47:29 Lurimax, perhaps imalone can try it out? 22:47:38 bsjones: did you have time to look at todays git commit? 22:47:49 not yet, will tomorrow 22:48:08 it's a little tacky. I'm not good with gui stuff 22:48:09 Was thinking that myself, though can't do it next weekend. 22:48:18 I'll do a pull now and have a quick look at the diff ... 22:48:39 no worries. i won't be touching it until tomorrow anyway 22:49:12 but since this is my last week of GSoC, i want it to be ready by next monday 22:49:16 the list would be very interested to contribute ui suggestions etc 22:49:49 I have to start documenting all the small scripts i have made too, so that they are ready for a potential review 22:50:23 I'll finish up what i have planned tomorrow, and then submit the git url to the list, then people can have alook and see what they think would look better 22:51:40 but what do you think i should have ready by next Monday to be able to pass? one ported package, the audio control app and plenty of documentation on everything? 22:51:48 You will definetly need to get that up for review before the deadline 22:52:06 I would have like to have seen more packages up for review to be honest 22:52:13 mainly from CCRMA 22:52:33 They don't have to be passed by the deadline 22:52:38 k 22:53:04 I'll hopefully finish up the one i'm working on now tomorrow or on wednesday 22:53:44 I'll get you passed the ecasound one tomorrow 22:54:03 k 22:54:21 there was a lot of wierd stuff in that spec file 22:54:46 the thing with ecasound is that Nama requires it I think 22:54:53 and its very useful for blind people 22:55:31 nice 22:55:58 imalone, is there anywhere that you'd like to contribute? 22:56:19 you were doing your own packaging there for a bit IIRC 22:56:57 Probably wont have a massive amount of time, can do some testing. The plug package is pretty much ready, just wasn't keen on being a maintainer for one package. 22:57:49 there's only really two audio package maintainers at the moment so we can always use help 22:58:02 and ORcan wants to remove himself a bit 22:58:51 I'll be continuing to package stuff after GSoC, so i'll be helping a little 22:59:15 cool 23:00:08 t's going to be a heavy week. School start this week too. 23:00:16 imalone, I think Brian Monroe was looking for something to package, perhaps he could pick up the fender plug stuff 23:00:32 but i guess that how programming is. always a lot to do the last week :p 23:00:58 yeah, like my boss schedules a demo next week with a month of work still to go 23:01:10 not much sleep this week 23:01:27 this stuff is always good for a diversion ;) 23:01:28 how we love CS work :P 23:01:32 hehe 23:01:32 I saw that, though I thought he needed to do one from scratch. 23:01:50 but i think we can call the meeting finished 23:01:55 #endmeeting