16:19:26 #startmeeting F22-blocker-review 16:19:26 Meeting started Mon Apr 13 16:19:26 2015 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:19:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:19:27 #meetingname F22-blocker-review 16:19:27 The meeting name has been set to 'f22-blocker-review' 16:19:27 #topic Roll Call 16:19:38 .hello dmossor 16:19:38 #chair jreznik sgallagh danofsatx 16:19:38 Current chairs: adamw danofsatx jreznik sgallagh 16:19:39 danofsatx: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' 16:19:42 .hello adamwill 16:19:43 adamw: adamwill 'Adam Williamson' 16:19:52 .hello jreznik 16:19:53 jreznik: jreznik 'Jaroslav Reznik' 16:19:55 * pschindl is here 16:20:07 jreznik: we only have two proposed blockers now... 16:20:08 .hello sgallagh 16:20:09 sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 16:20:16 5 proposed FE though. 16:20:18 .hello kalev 16:20:20 kalev: kalev 'Kalev Lember' 16:20:24 kparal: Are you here? 16:20:27 adamw: I see 4 on the list 16:20:38 sgallagh: i just cleared up two. 16:20:44 ah ok 16:20:48 yep, I know 16:21:11 let's start! 16:22:27 yup 16:22:34 #topic Introduction 16:22:34 Why are we here? 16:22:35 #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 16:22:35 #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 16:22:36 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:22:37 #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 16:22:38 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 16:22:40 #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 16:22:42 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Alpha_Release_Criteria 16:22:46 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Beta_Release_Criteria 16:22:48 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Final_Release_Criteria 16:23:15 #info 2 Proposed Blockers 16:23:15 #info 11 Accepted Blockers 16:23:15 #info 5 Proposed Freeze Exceptions 16:23:15 #info 9 Accepted Freeze Exceptions 16:23:56 anyone willing to volunteer for secretary duty? 16:24:51 I might be able but post meeting 16:25:02 (in bugs) 16:25:27 adamw: I can do it. 16:25:43 even better :) 16:25:44 thanks 16:25:50 #info pschindl will secretarialize 16:26:28 OK, starting with proposed blockers: 16:26:29 #topic (1207366) Fedora 21 as an IPv6 tunnel endpoint (sit) gives severely crippled download speed over the tunnel 16:26:29 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1207366 16:26:29 #info Proposed Blocker, kernel, NEW 16:26:44 oh, shoot 16:26:49 this is one of the ones I already dealt with 16:27:10 #info this has been moved to proposed Final blocker with votes in bug 16:27:32 * danofsatx voted in bug 16:27:32 hum, we should really be reviewing Final blockers too...maybe we can do that later. 16:27:43 moving on to next beta for now 16:28:05 #topic (1206760) Plasma desktop doesn't notify for available updates 16:28:05 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206760 16:28:05 #info Proposed Blocker, plasma-pk-updates, ASSIGNED 16:28:28 this was previously accepted, but I've moved it back to proposed, with a proposal: we should move the criterion this bug violates to Final 16:28:42 the criterion is "Release-blocking desktops must notify the user of available updates, but must not do so when running as a live image." 16:29:11 to give the history, the criterion was proposed by cwickert, but it was my choice to make it a Beta criterion, pretty much arbitrarily. no-one at the time expressed either support or opposition for that. 16:29:37 given the current overall understanding of what ought to block Beta, i don't think it makes a lot of sense for this to be a Beta criterion, really. 16:29:59 I'm not opposed, but could you elaborate on "the current overall understanding of what ought to block Beta"? 16:30:14 +1 move to final. 16:30:24 well, just our general approach that the key thing for beta is for it to be deployable and baseline usable for testing the new features and so on 16:31:08 Works for me 16:31:13 +1 for moving it to final 16:31:42 That being said, I'm open to allowing it as an FE if it should get fixed before we cut RC2 16:31:50 it's apparently unlikelty 16:32:00 also for the record KDE team is on board with pushing this to final 16:32:07 Fine by me then 16:32:22 as much as Workstation update notifications are concerned, I'd personally like to have them working in beta to make sure they get thoroughly tested 16:32:29 but having said that, it doesn't necessarily mean it has to be coded that way in the QA test cases 16:32:51 kalev: Yeah, this is all about when the lack of it working forces the release to slip 16:32:57 * kalev nods. 16:33:00 The WGs can have more stringent policies. 16:33:14 +1 from me too to move it to final then 16:33:22 +1 final 16:33:26 +1 final 16:34:58 rgr 16:35:54 proposed #agreed #1206760: it was agreed in meeting that the criterion violated by this bug (update notification) should be moved to Final. Therefore this bug is accepted as a Final blocker. 16:36:05 ack 16:36:30 kalev: fwiw, update notification is one of the things we *do* usually test early 16:36:33 ack 16:36:37 ack 16:36:40 kalev: we caught this one at Alpha, for instance - it's just taking a long time to get fixed 16:36:46 good good :) 16:36:55 #agreed #1206760: it was agreed in meeting that the criterion violated by this bug (update notification) should be moved to Final. Therefore this bug is accepted as a Final blocker. 16:37:00 Ack 16:37:04 I'll take care of moving the criterion 16:37:20 #topic (1207381) regression: smbd startup fails after update to 4.2.0-2.fc22 16:37:20 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1207381 16:37:20 #info Proposed Blocker, samba, ON_QA 16:37:41 i'm still -1 blocker on this, borderline -1 FE. 16:39:14 I'm -1 blocker as well, but +1 FE since it seems like a small and isolated change that shouln't regress other samba functionality 16:40:07 I'm sitting on the fence about FE, honestly. 16:40:13 I can be -1 blocker, +1 FE but do not push for that FE, maybe for safety even -1 16:40:38 It can be fixed with an update though, so I guess I'm okay with -1 FE 16:41:04 /me is paranoid about introducing any instability in RC2 16:41:39 -1b, +1fe 16:41:53 ok, I trust sgallagh here, so +1 blocker/-1 FE 16:42:11 my only concern is the mention that it breaks IPA with AD trusts 16:42:11 jreznik: was that +1 blocker an accident? :) 16:42:22 sgallagh: accident 16:42:25 so we're solid -1 blocker 16:42:27 -1/-1 sorry 16:42:58 FE votes are... -3 +2 atm 16:43:00 danofsatx: That's not currently a blocking configuration for Server 16:43:20 We only block on the directly-connected domain 16:43:26 true... 16:43:30 (In part because the cross-domain stuff is hard to set up) 16:43:39 like I said, it was a concern, not an issue ;) 16:43:51 As that improves and simplifies, we may add criteria. 16:44:16 danofsatx: The fix is known, so it'll be solved for Final 16:44:34 so in the interests of brevity i'll just go with the majority here 16:44:54 In case of deadlock, default to apathy? ;-) 16:45:21 apathylock 16:45:24 propose #agreed #1207381: RejectedBlocker RejectedFreezeException - this bug has no significant effect on any known scenario related to the frozen package set and can be safely resolved with an update, so does not need to be a blocker or FE issue. 16:45:25 hehe 16:45:39 ack 16:45:40 ack 16:45:42 ack 16:45:59 but in seriousness, yes, it makes sense for the 'presumption' in this process to be against a bug being blocker/FE, i.e. it takes a clear decision to *make* a bug a blocker/FE, not to *stop* it being one. 16:46:15 #agreed #1207381: RejectedBlocker RejectedFreezeException - this bug has no significant effect on any known scenario related to the frozen package set and can be safely resolved with an update, so does not need to be a blocker or FE issue. 16:46:40 adamw: I agree with that statement wholeheartedly 16:47:26 OK, do we have anything to discuss on the accepted blockers? 16:47:44 I had one. 16:47:46 one quick note, we have test cloud images for the fix to the outstanding blocker available for testing now: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/210376/89432271/ 16:47:48 /me looks it up 16:47:49 sgallagh: which ? 16:48:07 The fedup one 16:48:16 Since that bounced back as FailedQA 16:48:32 Though it's not part of the frozen package set, since it's being addressed on F21 16:49:40 we probably need to circle back with wwoods and figure out if we're going to be clear for next Tuesday 16:50:29 * danofsatx is confused 16:50:37 which one are we talking about? 16:50:44 .bug 1207251 16:50:50 sgallagh: Bug 1207251 Fedup fail to decrypt disk with French keyboard layout (AZERTY) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1207251 16:50:57 k 16:51:38 k 16:51:42 #topic (1207251) Fedup fail to decrypt disk with French keyboard layout (AZERTY) 16:51:43 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1207251 16:51:43 #info Accepted Blocker, fedup, ASSIGNED 16:52:27 "(12:51:36 PM) wwoods: *shrug* I can make that work by Thursday, I guess" 16:52:54 oh, i hadn't seen wwoods' recent comment. 16:52:54 sounds like the fix is entirely on the fedup (F21) side, and doesn't need image (F22) changes 16:52:59 the thing is, this *still freaking works for me*. 16:53:02 and kparal. 16:53:05 we both tested. it works. 16:53:26 i don't immediately see what lsinitrd has to do with anything except that it's confusing people who are trying to check if the file's there. 16:53:41 From the last comment, it sounds like there's a little more to the repro case. 16:53:47 i don't see what. 16:53:52 That it only happens if the initrd is generated in a funky way 16:53:57 we're all using the same initrd. 16:54:02 /me shrugs 16:54:13 oh, hum 16:54:27 this is probably at the point where fedup modifies upgrade.img with files from the client system, right. 16:54:36 still, i don't see how it could work in one case but not another 16:54:50 * adamw has to go re-read this code now. 16:55:38 Well, regardless, the maintainer believes he can have a fix ready in time, so I'm inclined to just move on for now. 16:55:58 This particular yak can remain shaggy a while longer 16:56:09 * kalev agrees. 16:57:26 reasonable, yeah. 16:57:44 ok, i kinda see a bit what's going on now, fedup reads the local/current files from the local initramfs, not from the sysroot. 16:58:11 so depending on whether the local initramfs has the early-microcode wrinkle or not, it'll find the files to add to upgrade.img or not 16:58:27 and whether the local initramfs has the early-microcode wrinkle or not could potentially vary, i guess. 16:58:36 The other question I had on the AcceptedBlocker list was whether we wanted to drop blocker status on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864198 ? 16:58:47 It's better than it was in F21, but not completely fixed. 16:58:56 sgallagh: that doesn't need discussing, really, it's just waiting on me verifying that /boot-on-btrfs is disallowed in RC1/RC2. 16:59:02 ok 16:59:06 hold on, let me do some bureaucrazy. 16:59:21 * jreznik got lost here, completely 16:59:35 ... the blockerbugs page appears not to be syncing, again 16:59:49 #info we have a better idea of a wrinkle in initramfs layout which could cause #1207251 to occur in some cases but not others; the fix would be entirely on the from-release side and so does not need to block F22 image compose. wwoods aims to have a fix ready by Thursday. 17:00:17 #topic (864198) grubby fatal error updating grub.cfg when /boot is btrfs 17:00:17 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864198 17:00:17 #info Accepted Blocker, grubby, ASSIGNED 17:00:37 #info /boot-on-btrfs should be disallowed again in RC1/RC2, we just need to test and confirm this 17:02:18 cmurf has an argument that this should block to the point of us not shipping till /boot-on-btrfs actually works, but i'm not convinced by it. 17:02:42 pjones is also not exactly committed to treating this as an international emergency. 17:03:26 adamw: We missed a proposed blocker earlier 17:03:30 .bug 1211122 17:03:33 sgallagh: Bug 1211122 No closest mirror can be found from behind a proxy - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1211122 17:03:40 (BlockerBugs hadn't synced for 17 hours) 17:03:58 did the F21 installer even allow installing on brtfs by default? 17:04:00 sgallagh: oh, right, because i only fixed it to be a proposed beta blocker this morning, le sigh 17:04:08 kalev: apparently yes, that's what the barney is about. 17:04:30 still, according to this bug that should've resulted in a system on which you can't upgrade the damn kernel, so i mean, i just wish this whole thing would go away and die in a fire. 17:04:51 sgallagh: we'll do that one after this 17:05:15 ack 17:05:19 so is anyone willing to die on the barricades for #864198 or shall we just carry on regretting the existence of btrfs and let it fester? 17:05:48 Can we try treating it with leaches? 17:05:55 eerr leeches 17:06:22 sure, then we can treat the leeches with fire 17:06:24 * jreznik pretends brtfs does not exists 17:06:28 a satisfactory outcome all around 17:06:32 +1 17:08:22 #info there is some concern that F21 systems deployed with /boot on btrfs will have problems upgrading to F22, but by all accounts this is a broken F21 configuration in any case and we don't see the value in delaying F22 Beta indefinitely for a currently unavailable grubby fix. 17:08:44 back to the proposed blocker we missed 17:08:45 #topic (1211122) No closest mirror can be found from behind a proxy 17:08:45 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1211122 17:08:45 #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW 17:09:27 more proxy fun 17:09:34 does anyone have a proxy setup they can use to confirm this? 17:10:11 * nirik looks. 17:10:16 don't have one handy, but I could construct one (I think) 17:10:50 Even if this is reproducible, I'm somewhat inclined to fudge this and fix it for Final. 17:10:51 * danofsatx checks his PFSense Firewall to see if it is easy enough 17:11:04 seems like no council meeting so I have to move home but I'll be available on phone 17:11:05 The workaround for now is to use a known mirror 17:11:05 sgallagh: given 'closest mirror' is the default choice, my 'icky' sensors go off. 17:11:39 adamw: Yeah, which is why I'm wondering how we could have not noticed this before. 17:12:46 few people do proxies anymore? and those that do likely just do internal installs? 17:13:28 and add to that that Workstation / KDE live installs aren't affected, making it even harder to notice 17:14:18 davidshea says it might be network configuration problem 17:14:59 hum, so they specified a http proxy but have no https connectivity? 17:15:13 that bug report is low on facts. command line might be nice... 17:15:50 For the few people who might hit this, I think we can have a Common Bugs entry. 17:16:12 sgallagh: yep 17:16:13 I think I'd agree with sgallagh. 17:16:47 is there a matrix somewhere which install media is considered blocking for each product? 17:16:55 there's another wrinkle, which is that you can configure the proxy interactively as well as on cmdline, and we don't know if this happens tehre 17:17:02 kalev: no. 17:17:24 kalev: not yet but I filed a fesco ticket to work on such list 17:17:24 kalev: there's a fesco ticket to create such a thing tho 17:17:40 so, i guess i'm a provisional -1, i'm willing to reconsider with more data... 17:17:46 adamw: also, we only have the logs from the orig anaconda install on the orig bug, not the new one. 17:17:59 -1 blocker 17:18:01 as far as my gut feeling goes, it doesn't make sense to block on the workstation netinstall not working with proxy setups 17:18:04 ... since workstation's primary media is the live media 17:18:06 -1 blocker as well 17:18:25 it smells to me like they have a http proxy and aren't able to make https connections, so they can't get the orig metalink 17:18:31 I'm -1 blocker, but I'm also trying to reproduce this myself 17:19:44 -1 blocker. 17:19:51 kalev: For the record, the reporter didn't mention which edition this was. Server netinstall or DVD would theoretically hit this too. But I'm still -1 blocker 17:20:31 -1 based on the current info. ask reporter for more to figure out things. 17:21:47 propose #agreed #1211122 - RejectedBlocker - there seems to be a lot of grey area in this bug, lots of information we need from the reporter, but even in the worst possible case people seem inclined to fudge this with a CommonBugs note suggesting explicit repo configuration for Beta. 17:22:33 ack 17:22:36 ack 17:22:41 ack 17:22:51 ack 17:23:05 #agreed #1211122 - RejectedBlocker - there seems to be a lot of grey area in this bug, lots of information we need from the reporter, but even in the worst possible case people seem inclined to fudge this with a CommonBugs note suggesting explicit repo configuration for Beta. 17:23:29 ok, let's do the FEs that look like they might have fixes 17:23:50 #topic (1209927) Geolocation is broken and default language is always used 17:23:50 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1209927 17:23:50 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, anaconda, POST 17:24:26 i can give this a +1 FE, though i expect we won't actually pull a fix into RC2, it'd likely go in only if there's another slip. 17:24:55 sure, +1 FE 17:25:13 +1 FE 17:25:45 although it would be nice to have FE's pulled in for today's RC build to not have surprises in the last minute :) 17:26:38 +1 FE 17:27:06 +1 FE 17:27:16 proposed #agreed #1209927 - AcceptedFreezeException - this is a highly-visible issue that can't be fixed with an update and inconveniences users who don't read English 17:27:40 ack 17:27:40 ack 17:27:56 ack 17:27:58 #agreed #1209927 - AcceptedFreezeException - this is a highly-visible issue that can't be fixed with an update and inconveniences users who don't read English 17:28:03 #topic (1210474) Update fedora-bookmarks for Fedora 22 17:28:03 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1210474 17:28:03 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, fedora-bookmarks, NEW 17:28:14 sure, makes sense to pull in a change for this if we get one. +1 17:29:05 Low risk. +1 17:29:19 sure. +1 17:29:22 +1 17:29:46 +1 17:30:13 proposed #agreed #1210474 - AcceptedFreezeException - the bookmarks on the live images cannot be changed with an update and this is a very low impact change 17:30:35 ack 17:30:42 ack 17:31:57 ack 17:32:28 #agreed #1210474 - AcceptedFreezeException - the bookmarks on the live images cannot be changed with an update and this is a very low impact change 17:32:37 #topic (1210259) missing libicui18n.so.52 after fedup to F22, firefox won't start 17:32:37 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1210259 17:32:37 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, firefox, NEW 17:32:39 FYI, jumping back to the proxy issue, I can successfully reach the mirror list with a properly-configured squid proxy 17:33:00 sgallagh: good info, thanks 17:33:07 sgallagh: what command line there? 17:33:18 Ah, I used the interactive mode in anaconda. 17:33:22 I'll try the command line next 17:33:47 so I'm +1 for this, but there's an interesting question whether we do it after go/no-go... 17:34:06 i.e. do we pull firefox 37 into RC2 17:35:59 * nirik looks at this bug again 17:36:46 basically people using fedup get broken firefox until their first post-upgrade update; this will be fixed whenever we push a new firefox package stable 17:37:34 which we should do after go but before release anyhow 17:37:38 +1 17:37:45 I hit this, it needs fixed. 17:38:31 so we can either include it in rc2 or do rc2 with firefox 36 and only push 37 stable after go/no-go. 17:38:52 I guess I don't care. We could push it stable now, or before release, same difference really 17:39:00 there's also the thing that Firefox always fixes some CVE issues and it would be nice to pull the new version in just for those, to make sure they are on the media 17:40:05 nirik: Worked with proxy=http://192.168.124.1:3128 as well 17:40:19 sgallagh: neat. 17:40:20 I'm left to conclude that the issue is with their proxy and not us 17:40:34 so, sure +1 to this, lets pull it into rc2. 17:40:39 ok, let's just vote on FE-ness, and we can debate exactly when to include it outside the meeting 17:41:10 proposed #agreed #1210259 - AcceptedFreezeException - it would be good to push this stable ASAP to help people testing fedup 17:41:16 +1 17:41:23 Do we not have a browser criterion for Workstation? 17:41:27 That seems like an oversight. 17:41:28 * kalev is +1 FE. seems like a fairly safe change, with the update having gotten +5 karma already. 17:41:39 sgallagh: browser criterion? 17:42:10 it works fine on the media and in new installs. 17:42:16 "With a properly-configured network connection, the default browser must be able to reach and display getfedora.org" seems like a reasonable blocker criterion. 17:42:20 this is just fedup users. (and likely dnf/yum ones) 17:42:39 ack 17:42:42 Sure, but as of Beta, upgrades are supposed to meet the same criteria as fresh installs 17:43:14 Not having such a criteria for the default browser in Workstation seems like a glaring oversight 17:43:35 we'd have to freeze all older releases while Branched is frozen to fix these kinds of upgrade issues properly 17:43:43 but I don't think this is going to fly :) 17:43:48 sgallagh: sure we do. 17:44:19 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Alpha_Release_Criteria#Required_applications 17:44:23 " 17:44:23 The web browser must be able to download files, load extensions (if applicable), and log into FAS. 17:44:23 " 17:44:32 Ah ok 17:44:39 Then this seems like a blocker to me. 17:44:42 #agreed #1210259 - AcceptedFreezeException - it would be good to push this stable ASAP to help people testing fedup 17:44:57 i don't think this really merits a blocker, though. anyhoo, moving on 17:45:03 #topic (1195231) ghc-7.8.4 build fails to complete on aarch64 17:45:03 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1195231 17:45:03 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, ghc, ON_QA 17:45:08 looks like a standard secondary arch thing 17:45:54 though, hrm, seems to be some discussion of fallout 17:46:07 I'm wary of changing anything in the build-system during a freeze. 17:46:37 Doesn't look like anything that has to be part of any install-set either 17:46:41 secondary arches can just pull in the single update if it's needed for them, afaik 17:46:44 So it could be fixed in an update easily 17:46:44 oh, the fallout is with 42.2, not 43. 17:47:15 pbrobinson said he wanted a fix 'by the beta freeze' but without elaboration... 17:47:15 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1195231#c11 17:48:25 * adamw never tires of being able to ping pbrobinson as pbr with nick completion 17:48:37 not that he'd drink that hipster crap. 17:49:02 pbr is hipster? wow...things shur have changed. 17:49:05 proposal - punt for clarification on why exactly this needs to go stable? 17:49:10 * danofsatx thought it was a Redneck staple 17:49:19 danofsatx: it's 'ironic' hipster. 17:49:26 also, still, redneck staple. 17:49:54 .fire adamw for not capitalizing Redneck 17:49:54 adamw fires adamw for not capitalizing Redneck 17:50:02 heh 17:50:14 I think they want to use the exact same "F22-Beta" tag / package set for secondary arches as is used for primary 17:50:54 yes, but the bug doesn't give any clear indication why the update actually needs to be in a compose... 17:50:55 but I don't understand the process well enough to say for certain if it's a problem for them to pull in an extra build for the secondary arches, without it making it to stable on primary 17:50:55 right. 17:51:14 did the current primary stable build entirely fail for secondary arches? 17:51:22 if not, does it break something in install or other frozen env? 17:51:28 if not, i don't see why it needs to be an FE... 17:53:04 -1 FE unless new information surfaces 17:54:40 * adamw just got a response from pbr 17:54:44 waiting for details 18:03:40 For the benefit of the folks hanging around in here, there's a discussion happening in #fedora-releng 18:04:31 also, this is the last proposed beta FE, so if anyone wants to slope off to the bar, go ahead 18:04:41 we can do proposed final blockers after this if anyone hasn't had enough fun yet 18:05:07 (we should've been doing them all along but sort of forgot a bit() 18:05:27 adamw: I'll hang around to go through them 18:05:35 we'll need at least 3 people 18:06:02 Do my dissociative identities count? 18:08:51 sgallagh: only if the voices in my head do 18:09:31 adamw: One of my identities is offering to eat your voices. Should I be worried? 18:11:24 yes, they're poisonous. 18:12:44 ok, it sounds like this is causing pbrobinson heartache, but i don't really see a clear FE justification and don't want to go throwing big packages in willy-nilly 18:12:55 so with apologies to peter gonna stick with -1 18:12:57 Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. 18:13:07 -1 FE. Too much risk during Freeze 18:13:57 -1 from me too 18:15:46 proposed #agreed #1195231 - RejectedFreezeException - on currently available info we don't see a clear reason this needs to have a freeze exception, it's causing issues with package builds but there are other avenues for dealing with that. We will re-discuss this if re-proposed with a better justification 18:16:00 ack 18:16:09 ack 18:17:00 ack 18:17:16 #agreed #1195231 - RejectedFreezeException - on currently available info we don't see a clear reason this needs to have a freeze exception, it's causing issues with package builds but there are other avenues for dealing with that. We will re-discuss this if re-proposed with a better justification 18:17:45 OK, we currently have 9 proposed Final blockers - who wants to sit through those? 18:18:05 oh, we're still here? 18:18:21 adamw: s/wants/is willing/ 18:18:27 I vote for voting in bugs. 18:18:29 danofsatx: if enough folks want to sit around for final blockers we can do them 18:18:35 if not we can leave it for next week 18:20:06 it's quite late here. I'd prefer to make them next time or in bz 18:23:40 sounds like we don't have the numbers for Final blocker review - votes in bugs would be great, i'll run through and secretaralize any which reach the necessary number of votes 18:23:51 #info votes in bug on Final blockers ahead of next week's meeting would be great 18:24:36 ok 18:24:48 #topic Open Discussion 18:24:52 any other topics before we shut down? 18:25:02 looks like for RC2 we'll pull in the util-linux update plus a couple of FE fixes 18:25:59 When should we expect RC2? 18:26:02 Also the rolekit blocker, I presume 18:26:41 * satellit_e late return 18:26:46 today 18:27:01 sgallagh: that was already in TC8 wasn't it? as it's fixed by the same update as an FE fix 18:27:25 er, RC1, I mean 18:27:37 err, let me double-check 18:28:13 You're correct. My mistake. 18:28:26 /me thought he remembered finding a post-RC1 blocker 18:28:52 Oh, it was the realmd issue 18:28:56 not rolekit 18:28:59 the realmd one? 18:29:04 yeah, that'll be pulled in too. 18:29:06 k 18:30:23 #info expect Beta RC2 today with fixes for all outstanding blockers 18:30:37 And the boring ones, too 18:30:42 sorry, had to step away for a bit 18:30:56 I think there's one more bug with a possible fix: 18:31:20 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1209347 18:31:54 heh 18:32:20 kalev: sure, it's an accepted Beta freeze exception 18:32:23 Right, halfline forgot to mark the bug as fixed by that update 18:32:33 adamw: Please be aware of that when filing the request. 18:32:43 i'd quite like it to get some testing before including it, though... 18:32:49 has anyone actually tested it yet? 18:33:04 yes, that's why I brought this up :) 18:33:27 I haven't tested the packaged version, but I've tested the patched binary while we were investigating 18:34:04 It's difficult to test out without a rebuilt live image 18:34:39 hrm, yeah, i guess. i can do a live image... 18:34:41 as long as it doesn't _regress_ regular login, I think it should be good 18:34:49 For whatever reason, I almost never hit the race on an installed system 18:35:00 (not *never* but significantly less often) 18:35:05 if it turns out to not fully fix the live image issue, that's not the end of the world 18:35:10 as long as it doesn't regress stuff :) 18:35:27 kalev: All it does is lengthen a timeout from 0.5s to 25s 18:35:50 So the only regression I can see is that startup could theoretically take an extra 24.5s if it never replies. 18:36:41 yes, I was replying to the idea to do a live image build to test this 18:37:07 If someone produces the live image, I'll happily test it 18:37:16 what I was trying to say was that it should be ok to +1 it if it doesn't regress regular logins 18:37:25 even without testing a live image 18:37:50 Well, it's already an AcceptedFE 18:38:09 right, it's not a question of voting, but whether we actually pull it into RC2 18:38:17 * adamw always happier with actual testing than What Could Possibly Go Wrong 18:38:20 So let's pull it into RC2, I'll check the live image as soon as it's available 18:38:21 i'll build a smoketest live 18:38:34 (Which is faster than the rest of the compose) and we'll revert it and restart RC3 if I fail 18:38:36 Reasonably? 18:38:41 *reasonable 18:38:45 makes sense to me 18:39:04 or a smoketest live is fine too, if it doesn't hold up the RC2 compose too badly 18:39:06 sgallagh: that works too i guess 18:39:14 sgallagh: building is fast, but then i have to upload it somewhere. 18:39:25 /me wants to give QA the maximum time with RC2 18:39:33 ok, AOB? 18:39:41 AOB? 18:40:05 Aut of Band? 18:40:19 As Originally Broposed? :) 18:40:35 any other business 18:41:07 adamw: Which are we doing? Starting RC2 immediately or waiting for a smoketest? 18:41:20 RC2, i guess. 18:41:22 ok 18:42:06 * danofsatx was thinking All On Board 18:43:24 fin 18:43:47 What is a shark, Alex? 18:45:02 i'm sorry, the question we were looking for was "What is a significant feature of a shark." 18:45:09 thanks for coming, folks 18:45:11 /me was going with the latin... 18:45:13 #endmeeting