16:01:04 <roshi> #startmeeting F23-blocker-review
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16:01:04 <roshi> #meetingname F23-blocker-review
16:01:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f23-blocker-review'
16:01:06 <roshi> #topic Roll Call
16:01:13 <roshi> who's around for some blockery goodness?
16:01:21 * lbrabec is lurking
16:01:24 * satellit listening
16:01:41 * garretraziel is lurking
16:01:44 * pschindl is here
16:01:53 * pwhalen is here
16:02:23 <roshi> #chair lbrabec satellit_e adamw garretraziel pschindl pwhalen
16:02:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw garretraziel lbrabec pschindl pwhalen roshi satellit_e
16:02:33 <roshi> #topic Introduction
16:02:33 <roshi> Why are we here?
16:02:33 <roshi> #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs.
16:02:45 * kparal is somewhat here
16:02:47 <danofsatx> oh, we started?
16:02:58 * danofsatx isn't paying attention to clocks
16:03:02 <roshi> #info We'll be following the process outlined at:
16:03:02 <roshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
16:03:02 <roshi> #info The bugs up for review today are available at:
16:03:03 <roshi> #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
16:03:03 <roshi> #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
16:03:03 <roshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Alpha_Release_Criteria
16:03:03 <roshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Beta_Release_Criteria
16:03:03 <roshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Final_Release_Criteria
16:03:04 <roshi> shouldn't be too long a meeting today, we have 5/1/1 proposals to go over
16:03:04 <roshi> (for alpha/beta/final resp)
16:03:15 <roshi> clocks are for the meek and timid
16:03:43 <roshi> let's get started then :)
16:03:44 <roshi> #topic (1243543) __init__.py:102:require_version:ValueError: Namespace OSTree not available
16:03:44 <danofsatx> eggzackerly
16:03:47 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1243543
16:03:49 <roshi> #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED
16:04:12 <adamw> i think we can actually close this.
16:04:34 * adamw does so
16:04:44 <roshi> sweet
16:04:46 <danofsatx> agreed. next!
16:04:52 <roshi> #topic (1244431) anaconda 23.16-1 liveinst "failed to save storage destination" reverts to Automatic partition selected
16:04:55 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1244431
16:04:57 <roshi> #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW
16:05:44 <adamw> i've just reproduced this with an empty disk, looks like autopart is just broken for UEFI
16:05:49 <adamw> (probably some problem with /boot/efi)
16:06:06 <adamw> so i'd be +1
16:06:14 <kparal> +1
16:06:18 * satellit there is a workarround in custom
16:06:20 <roshi> seems like a clear +1 for me
16:06:24 <satellit> +1
16:06:32 <danofsatx> +1
16:06:33 <garretraziel> agreed, +1
16:06:44 <adamw> satellit: sure, for alpha we require autopart to work though
16:07:05 <satellit> k
16:07:05 <pwhalen> +1
16:07:20 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1244431 - AcceptedBlocker Alpha - This bug is a clear violation of the following Alpha criterion: "The installer must be able to complete an installation using any supported locally connected storage interface."
16:07:30 <adamw> eh, i think we have a better criterion
16:07:31 <adamw> gimme a sec
16:07:52 <roshi> kk
16:07:55 <adamw> i'd say it's a violation of "The installer must be able to complete an installation to a single disk using automatic partitioning. " in the case of a UEFI system
16:08:01 <pschindl> ack
16:08:33 <pwhalen> ack
16:08:34 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1244431 - AcceptedBlocker Alpha - This bug is a clear violation of the following Alpha criterion: "The installer must be able to complete an installation to a single disk using automatic partitioning."
16:08:43 <adamw> ack
16:08:48 <roshi> #agreed - 1244431 - AcceptedBlocker Alpha - This bug is a clear violation of the following Alpha criterion: "The installer must be able to complete an installation to a single disk using automatic partitioning."
16:09:01 <roshi> who wants to secretarialize?
16:09:23 <pschindl> I can do that
16:09:32 <roshi> thanks pschindl :)
16:09:40 <roshi> #topic (1244023) [abrt] gnome-initial-setup: _g_log_abort(): gnome-initial-setup killed by SIGTRAP
16:09:43 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1244023
16:09:46 <roshi> #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-initial-setup, NEW
16:11:17 <roshi> +1
16:11:29 <roshi> do we still see this with the 0717 nightly?
16:11:31 <adamw> sigh, i need to go ping systemd folks about this...
16:11:32 <adamw> roshi: yes.
16:11:48 <kparal> +1
16:11:49 <adamw> well, actually i dunno if i tried explicitly, but i don't think anyone fixed systemd in the mean time.
16:11:55 <pwhalen> +1
16:12:13 <garretraziel> +1
16:12:31 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1244023 - AcceptedBlocker Alpha - This bug is a clear violation of the following Alpha criterion: "A system installed with a release-blocking desktop must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop using a user account created during installation or a 'first boot' utility."
16:12:44 <brunowolff> Are both systemd-timedated and timedatex installed in at least one of the blocking media? (I'm guessing that is the case, but couldn't readily tell from the bug.)
16:13:49 <adamw> brunowolff: yes, i think they're probably in all of them.
16:13:55 <adamw> systemd-timedated is part of systemd
16:14:33 <brunowolff> +1 blocker
16:14:47 <roshi> ack, nack, patch?
16:15:05 <adamw> hum, or maybe just workstation. but at least workstation
16:15:07 <pschindl> ack
16:15:08 <garretraziel> ack
16:15:18 <kparal> ack
16:15:20 <adamw> timedatex is required by chrony, anything that has chrony will have it, and chrony is part of ws.
16:15:20 <roshi> #agreed - 1244023 - AcceptedBlocker Alpha - This bug is a clear violation of the following Alpha criterion: "A system installed with a release-blocking desktop must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop using a user account created during installation or a 'first boot' utility."
16:15:21 <pwhalen> ack
16:15:32 <roshi> #topic (1244558) Switch initial-setup to use python3
16:15:32 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1244558
16:15:33 <roshi> #info Proposed Blocker, initial-setup, ASSIGNED
16:16:11 <pwhalen> +1, arm images cant be configured
16:16:18 <brunowolff> Is this actually breaking things or just pulling in python 2.7?
16:16:27 <adamw> yeah, with the info that this breaks arm images i'm +1.
16:16:33 <roshi> the rational in comment 5 makes sense to me
16:16:37 <roshi> +1
16:16:40 <danofsatx> +1
16:16:40 <adamw> brunowolff: it's actually breaking things. the initial bug report was 'i-s doesn't run', it was duped to this.
16:17:18 <pschindl> +1
16:17:23 <adamw> i guess we could note that the blocker requirement is 'make i-s run', not necessarily 'port it to python3'
16:17:35 <kparal> +1 to ^^
16:18:12 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1244558 - AcceptedBlocker Alpha - This bug is a violation of the following Alpha criterion for ARM: "A working mechanism to create a user account must be clearly presented during installation and/or first boot of the installed system." Completing the port to Python3 will make i-s run and satisfy the criterion.
16:18:21 <brunowolff> Are the arm releases in sync with the other arches now, or still being released somewhat later?
16:18:21 <pwhalen> ack
16:18:33 <adamw> brunowolff: they've been sycned ever since arm went primary.
16:18:42 <adamw> ack
16:18:43 <kparal> ack
16:18:45 <brunowolff> Ack
16:18:48 <garretraziel> ack
16:18:52 <roshi> #agreed - 1244558 - AcceptedBlocker Alpha - This bug is a violation of the following Alpha criterion for ARM: "A working mechanism to create a user account must be clearly presented during installation and/or first boot of the installed system." Completing the port to Python3 will make i-s run and satisfy the criterion.
16:19:00 <roshi> #topic (1243168) Entire system mislabelled on fresh Rawhide install
16:19:03 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1243168
16:19:05 <roshi> #info Proposed Blocker, lorax, NEW
16:19:58 <kparal> +1
16:20:16 <satellit> +1
16:20:21 <garretraziel> +1
16:20:42 <danofsatx> Is this just rawhide, or F23 also?
16:20:56 <pwhalen> +1
16:21:06 <satellit> 0720 boot iso branched
16:21:15 <adamw> danofsatx: f23 too, i filed before branching
16:21:22 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1243168 - AcceptedBlocker Alpha - This bug is a clear violation of the following criteria: "A system installed without a graphical package set must boot to a state where it is possible to log in through at least one of the default virtual consoles."
16:21:22 <brunowolff> +1
16:21:23 <danofsatx> roger that
16:21:25 <danofsatx> +1
16:21:32 <brunowolff> ack
16:21:34 <danofsatx> ack
16:21:38 <adamw> this is the one that stops you logging in after install
16:21:39 <garretraziel> ack
16:21:39 <adamw> ack
16:21:44 <satellit> ack
16:21:52 <roshi> #agreed - 1243168 - AcceptedBlocker Alpha - This bug is a clear violation of the following criteria: "A system installed without a graphical package set must boot to a state where it is possible to log in through at least one of the default virtual consoles."
16:21:52 <pwhalen> ack
16:22:02 <roshi> #topic (1240802) Can't unlock an encrypted root partition using caps lock key
16:22:05 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1240802
16:22:08 <roshi> #info Proposed Blocker, systemd, NEW
16:22:31 <adamw> as this behaviour is same as f22 and it involves fiddling with caps lock i'm inclined to not be +1
16:22:37 <adamw> i'd at least want to investigate a bit further
16:22:58 <brunowolff> This seems more a common bugs thing.
16:23:11 <danofsatx> meh...usability. if it doesn't get fixed, it's a common bug.
16:23:36 <kparal> the caps lock indicator might be off when playing with it during early boot
16:23:41 <brunowolff> Not many people are going to use caps lock to do shifts when booting. And this is only alpha.
16:24:09 <kparal> brunowolff: we vote for other milestones as well
16:24:34 <roshi> I hadn't considered other keyboard layouts, but the capslock key on any keyboard of mine has only ever been hit on accident
16:24:45 <roshi> as far as I'm concerned, it's a waste of a key
16:24:48 <kparal> I'd like to have this confirmed on bare metal first
16:24:55 <pwhalen> kparal, agreed
16:24:55 <roshi> punt?
16:25:22 <adamw> yeah, let's punt and do a bit of testing with different layouts and things
16:25:33 <brunowolff> Well even for final there is normally (unless your shift keys are broken) an easy work around and it should be fixable after release.
16:25:39 <kparal> I'd say repropose to Final and ask for bare metal verification
16:25:54 <adamw> kparal: if you can get folks to fiddle around with it a bit that'd be great. and yeah, it seems clearly no more serious than Final
16:26:20 <kparal> adamw: ok, bookmarking it
16:26:30 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1240802 - Punt - This bug could use some more testing of different keyboard layouts on bare metal.
16:27:25 <adamw> ack
16:27:25 <pschindl> ack
16:27:28 <brunowolff> I think you want to add reprose for final in the proposed.
16:27:32 <pwhalen> ack
16:27:34 <garretraziel> ack
16:27:45 <danofsatx> ack
16:28:06 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1240802 - Punt - This bug could use some more testing of different keyboard layouts on bare metal. If confirmed, please move this Blocker to Final.
16:28:19 <brunowolff> ack
16:28:43 <kparal> switch to Final right away, I think
16:28:51 <kparal> as part of the secretary process
16:28:56 <roshi> that works
16:29:06 <roshi> ack to the first draft, pschindl to move bug
16:29:06 <kparal> ack
16:29:07 <roshi> good?
16:29:13 <kparal> sure
16:29:19 <roshi> #agreed - 1240802 - Punt - This bug could use some more testing of different keyboard layouts on bare metal.
16:29:37 <roshi> onto the beta proposal
16:29:37 <roshi> #topic (1242610) TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'model'
16:29:40 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1242610
16:29:43 <roshi> #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW
16:30:37 <roshi> +1
16:30:50 <kparal> firmware raid is bios raid, right?
16:30:56 <danofsatx> +1
16:30:57 <kparal> we have one machine to verify this with
16:31:24 <adamw> kparal: yep
16:31:27 <kparal> +1 in general, unless other people can't reproduce it
16:31:35 <adamw> kparal: it'd be good if you can see if it happens there too, indeed
16:31:44 <kparal> roger
16:31:47 <adamw> reads rather like a coding error
16:31:53 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1242610 - AcceptedBlocker Beta - This bug is a clear violation of the following Beta criterion: "The installer must be able to detect and install to hardware or firmware RAID storage devices."
16:32:00 <danofsatx> ack
16:32:26 <garretraziel> ack
16:32:37 <pschindl> ack
16:32:44 <roshi> #agreed - 1242610 - AcceptedBlocker Beta - This bug is a clear violation of the following Beta criterion: "The installer must be able to detect and install to hardware or firmware RAID storage devices."
16:33:00 <roshi> #topic (1241704) systemd no longer able to run checkisomd5 in initramfs
16:33:03 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1241704
16:33:05 <roshi> #info Proposed Blocker, systemd, NEW
16:33:48 <adamw> i think this should be Final
16:33:50 <adamw> is it?
16:33:51 <roshi> +1
16:33:51 <brunowolff> This might be something to put on common bugs for the alpha release even if it only blocks beta.
16:33:54 <roshi> it is
16:33:57 <adamw> then +1
16:34:05 <roshi> final, i mean
16:34:20 <brunowolff> I was a bit slow typing, that comment was for the raid bug.
16:34:32 <pschindl> +1
16:34:32 <pwhalen> +1
16:34:55 <kparal> +1
16:35:10 <garretraziel> +1
16:35:27 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 124704 - AcceptedBlocker Final - This bug is a violation of the following Final criterion: "Validation of install media must work correctly for all release-blocking images."
16:35:40 <brunowolff> ack
16:35:41 <pwhalen> ack
16:35:53 <garretraziel> ack
16:36:02 <roshi> #agreed - 124704 - AcceptedBlocker Final - This bug is a violation of the following Final criterion: "Validation of install media must work correctly for all release-blocking images."
16:36:06 <roshi> well, that's it
16:36:09 <roshi> #topic Open Floor
16:36:15 <kparal> that was super quick
16:36:58 <roshi> yup
16:37:26 * roshi sets fuse
16:37:29 <roshi> 3...
16:37:39 <danofsatx> BOOM!
16:37:49 <roshi> lol
16:37:53 <roshi> 2...
16:37:55 <pschindl> I will update bugs right now.
16:38:07 <roshi> thanks for coming folks
16:38:09 <roshi> 1...
16:38:27 <roshi> #endmeeting